Automotive News, Media & Press - Wow! Check out Hyundai

This doesnt go here but Im gonna post it any way for a good laugh.
Check it out.

We've had rumors and spy shots before, but up until now we really didn't have any confirmation that Hyundai's new Tiburon replacement would switch from a pull-me to a push-me. With the new rwd platform that the company recently developed for its Genesis luxury sedan, it was expected that the next generation of affordable sports car from Korea would ditch its fwd layout and get some true sports car manners. Well, Hyundai just confirmed that when that car shows up in late 2008 or early 2009, it will indeed be rear-wheel drive.

As predicted, the car will share its rwd platform with the already-announced Genesis sedan, which we should see in about a year. The Tiburon replacement should show up half a year to a year after the sedan, and might even come as a convertible. In fact, there is also a suggestion that we'll be seeing several models based on this platform. We're not sure if the coupe will share the sedan's new V8 in addition to the expected V6, but it would make an interesting competitor for the Mustang if it did. Hyundai has officially said no, but there are still whispers, and if not a V8, some kind of boosted V6 in the top models might suffice.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/30/confirmed-hyundai-making-tiburon-replacement-rwd/

Looks like some one wants to jump in that pony car war. :drive: :drive: :barf:

A competitor for the Mustang/Camaro? *spits drink all over the computer*

They're only squeezing 172 horses from a 2.7 V6, the Pontiac G6 has that many from a smaller 4 cylinder!

Korean to be exact.

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Korean to be exact.

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Sorry man I didnt know where that company is from.
Interesting to see the imports try to jump on the ban wagon. I heard a while back that Toyota was testing a Supra too. lol
I dont think Camaro Challenger Mustang i dont think any of them have any thing to worry about.

Who cares, it's a Hyundai. One more import to stomp into the ground

Nothing says loser like driving a Hyundai

I think it would be cool for the imports to get into the muscle business...not really.

W

Honestly, they aren't bad cars. I have driven one, rode in the back [omg let me out let me out]...

This may be crossing boundaries, though. Seems like most of the owners aren't that serious about performance for the added cost that this will incur. Plus, since the Tiburon had a M6 FWD tranny they will be planning for a RWD M6 car. hmmmm

Interesting to see what turns out.

Who cares, it's a Hyundai. One more import to stomp into the ground


Hyundai, is the fastest growing car company in the world. Granted they might not have the reputation of say GM, but they have become a decent car company to say the least.

im pretty sure the motor in that picture is a turbo 4 cylinder. count the coils on the valvecover and look at where the t/b piping is going. down twoards the front of the car. and for most of you that dont know...that pipe that is coming off the t/b is what factories use for i/c piping. and the other closeup shot of the exhaust heat shield (hence why would they take a pic of a heat shield). i believe that would be the turbo. if you look real close the i/c pipe goes to the outlet and i think there is an adjustable wastegate arm right there also. pics are a bit blurry tho.

What they changed the name because it said Jap? I guess we should change all the WWII history books too. Damn, I should not have been a military history major!!!

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Hyundai practically gives their cars away...6k for a new disposable econobox..no wonder they sell alot... Do they even run a credit check when you buy one? Buy the looks of some of the people I see driving Im going to say no.And if you look at them no matter how new they are Kia's and hyundai always some sort of body damage...im serious just look....

Hyundai practically gives their cars away...6k for a new disposable econobox..no wonder they sell alot... Do they even run a credit check when you buy one? Buy the looks of some of the people I see driving Im going to say no.And if you look at them no matter how new they are Kia's and hyundai always some sort of body damage...im serious just look....
i know a couple repo guys..
yes, they have to repo these 6k cars too.. LOL.





anyway... its more of a mitsu eclipse fighter then a mustang killer... just a "sporty" car to sell..



but if they suprise the hell out of everyone and put a turbo V8 or something together, good for them! i wouldnt bash them on it.. atleast its not FWD.

What they changed the name because it said Jap? I guess we should change all the WWII history books too. Damn, I should not have been a military history major!!!

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No becuase it is a Korean car company and not Japanese dodo! Furthermore, Jap is a racist term, not appreciated among the Japenese. Maybe you shouldnt have skipped classes! :eyes:

HAHA... you guys are really closed minded... from the looks of the spy photos it seems to have nice lines... im sure it will not compare to the new camaro or challenger... but its kool for a foriegn car company to make a rear wheel drive... as for disposable cars.... yea they have cheap ones like the accent and elantra... but my mom drives an 06 sonata.... and i love it... great on gas... its got a 3.3 v6 and it freaken moves out for a sedan... probably beat any accord or camery thrown at it... and for the money we spent we got alot with it.... id like not to think that my mom is trashy or somthing for driving a hyundia like you guys make it out to be... i mean no every can drive f-bodies and corvettes... you want to look at some crappy engineered cars... go take a look at a ford focus.... or pretty much any chrysler on the road.... new challenger looks AMAZING.... but its still got a dodge symbol i wouldnt trust it...

Agreed. Most people here drive GM cars(like they're Lexus/Bmw/Mercedes). Just think how Honda and Toyota use to be in the early 80's. People were saying the same thing then, that they're saying about Hyundai now. In the coming years, people will think differently.

Geez pssonu, do you have to stick up for every import brand! What next, Yugo revival or the next Chinese or Indian car they ship here :bang: .

The bigger issue is the Foreign brands are supported by their governments. Hell, with the tax incentives they’re given, the Foreign brands are supported by our government.

new challenger looks AMAZING.... but its still got a dodge symbol i wouldnt trust it...
But Hyundai is the mark of excellence?

No, it's the mark of paper weight quality vehicles hand crafted through slave-like labor, dumped into our markets. Worse part? Americans buy them.

hah i never said they were the best i just said they are better than you guys make them out to be... they are cheap and reliable and my moms is pretty nice to drive... smooth as hell for an 18 grand car new off the lot... cant beat it man... and i do believe they are made and engineered better than most chrysler vehicles besides some higher end stuff like viper and maybe crossfire though iv never driven a crossfire.... they seem kool tho... kool thing about toyota is that they are made here in usa... so we get the money and jobs... i mean i drive a formula everyday and wouldnt have it any other way.. .but im not everybody... you guys need to understand that there has to be a market for people out there... i agree it sucks that american car comanies arent doing so hot... but maybe they should have made them better 10 years ago and people wouldnt have lost faith in the companies...

Geez pssonu, do you have to stick up for every import brand! What next, Yugo revival or the next Chinese or Indian car they ship here :bang: .

The bigger issue is the Foreign brands are supported by their governments. Hell, with the tax incentives they’re given, the Foreign brands are supported by our government.


How am I sticking up for all import companies? I just corrected an idiotic statement and that was it.

Geez pssonu, do you have to stick up for every import brand! What next, Yugo revival or the next Chinese or Indian car they ship here :bang: .

That's why he's here.

Plus it's a knee-jerk reaction for all import guys. Either stick up for any import, or bash a domestic. They give each other double points if they do both at the same time. lol

That's why he's here.

Plus it's a knee-jerk reaction for all import guys. Either stick up for any import, or bash a domestic. They give each other double points if they do both at the same time. lol


Did you even read the thread? His initial reaction was to call a Korean car company Jap. Which in my eyes is disrepectfull. Not for the confusion, but for using the term Jap. Secondly, Im not as closeminded as most of the people in this thread. Nor am I naive to think that someone is inferior to me, simply becuase they drive a Hyundai. Theres no such thing as a terrible car company nowadays! Most companies flourish off one another. Without competition cars would be stable. The new Camaro would have 325hp still. The C6 Z06 would have 425hp. The Viper would still have 500hp.

I would never own a hyundai. I remember my friend used to have new hyundai elantra and it would feel like it was floating at 70 and would shake violently........... this was a few months before it was wrecked.

I would never own a hyundai. I remember my friend used to have new hyundai elantra and it would feel like it was floating at 70 and would shake violently........... this was a few months before it was wrecked.


Well they must be doing something right, since they are the fastest growing car company

Hey, Pissant, I did not skip any class. I am the one that pointed out it is a Korean company. Racism...a shortening of the proper name? What are you a Social Marxist?

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Hey, Pissant, I did not skip any class. I am the one that pointed out it is a Korean company. Racism...a shortening of the proper name? What are you a Social Marxist?

W


Hey Wewe, there's no need to make derogatory statements, when it refers to other ethnecities. Hince the reason why your comment was deleted! If you took History classes or knew of anyone of that culture, then you would have shown empathy.

support america! buy a Toyota or BMW!!


after all, they're both made in the USA!!







(not all models. some limitations apply. still, it keeps more money in the US then GM.)

support america! buy a Toyota or BMW!!


after all, they're both made in the USA!!







(not all models. some limitations apply. still, it keeps more money in the US then GM.)


This is what Ive been saying!

This is what Ive been saying!

Which is why you didn't get the joke. :jest:

support america! buy a Toyota or BMW!!


after all, they're both made in the USA!!







(not all models. some limitations apply. still, it keeps more money in the US then GM.)
and hyundais are made right in alabama :jest:

and hyundais are made right in alabama :jest:


a-yup. Sonata sedan and the Santa Fe SUV...

(not all models. some limitations apply. still, it keeps more money in the US then GM.)
Are you serious? GM employs more Americans than all of the Foreign manufacturers combined. Buy a Toyota/Lexus lose 2.5 American jobs for every 1 that the Japanese company provide. (Source: Level Field Institude, Washigton DC).

The thing about the Japanese, they know how critical it is to their economy to support "their" manufacturers. These are not American companies and never will be. We as Americans think that the world is some sort of equal rights playing ground, where everybody plays fair.

Are you serious?

absolutly not, but stirring up shit is fun.



congradulations on being the first one to ask me that though.. DrkPhynx got it, but i expected someone to say something 4 posts ago.. . :jest: :jest: :jest: :jest:




i am going to point out that its a world market, and that my choice for my personal transportation has very little to do with world politics and alot more to do with the actual car. not the brand. not the make.. not even that specific model, but rather, the specific car i want. if i want the deep burgendy one with tan leather, i dont care about the other ones that are green. i dont care about the other models that are sporty or plain. i dont care about the jobs of the people who built it, or the jobs about the people that work at the dealership across the street. i dont care where my money goes after i buy it.
the focus is on one thing.. the car.
and thats more american then any other way you can tell me.. i buy the product that i want the most.. that is what capitalism is all about.
how im manipulated into what i like the most, thats where the sheeple/branding/ect argument comes in.. but im not discussing that.

im talking about i found this one car i like, and i dont care about the nameplate, supposed country that my money goes to or anything else.
i just want my new car.

then you would have shown empathy.
Empathy for the rape of Nanking? The Bataan death march? The horribly mistreatment of POW's? The fact that they looked at all other Asian races as dogs?

The empathy should be saved for their victims.

hyundai has had V8 suv's overseas for years

the companies quality has risen exponentially in the past 10-12 years ('04 Santa Fe in the family)

I'm not a fan of the current nissan Z and I hate to say it but the styling is pretty similair
so until toyota brings back the Supra go Hyundai

Empathy for the rape of Nanking? The Bataan death march? The horribly mistreatment of POW's? The fact that they looked at all other Asian races as dogs?

The empathy should be saved for their victims.

One could argue that we are no better for the prison camps during the war, but I won't, since nothing really happened and they were let go.

However, I would argue that we are no better when you look at how we stole this land and everything we've done, and STILL continue to do to this very day, to the people who have the legittimate claim to it.

But, that aside, your comment made me think of something - it's 60 years on, and the Japanese have been forgiven (their deeds forgotten, really), and nobody really knows about the evil that was Uncle Joe, because he was on the winning side (and that makes one of the largest body counts in history ok, don'cha know :eyes: ), but nobody can let the Germans off the hook. Even the symbols used are demonized, yet the hammer and sickle, and rising sun and chrysanthemum are both ok (and so are Eagles, but thats because we like to use them too lol).

Always wondered about that.

Can't help but wonder if it's because there aren't enough non-Japanese Asians and dis-placed victimized Russians here to influence the media and school system, so those atrocities are ignored.


Sorry, totally :offtopic:

Wow getting too deep for me even though I saw the rape of Nanking program on the History channel. Man, after watching that program I don't know how anyone of Chinese decent could ever buy any Japanese product.
DrkPhynx, what happened it our prison camps is public record and nobody is denying anything. If you can believe the Chinese accounts of Nanking, it may be the worst atrocity in history.

i just want to re-iterate, i dont care about any of this when i buy a car.

You stupid little shit. My comments were not deleted. None of them. Learn to spell...ethnicity is the word you wanted to spell. The Japanese--which they themselves refer to themselves as Nipponese--(so maybe calling them Japanese is incorrect in and of its self...if we were good Social Marxist we would at least not anglicize their names now would we) are not some special race in and of themselves. If we listened to your foolishness I guess we Americans are our own race too? I guess Yank is a dirty word. Grow up and get an education.

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I'm a hard-core GM guy for my own cars and trucks, but if it's good, I like them all.

That being said, if it's a boosted V6, that'd be one bad ass car. Something like the Supra, I suppose. If it's a small V8, that'd be kind of cool too, but in an import, I'd rather see a bosted 4 or 6 cylinder than a V8 because I like the sides to have different takes on fast cars. Racing a RWD V8 Hyundai would be too much like racing a slant-eyed Mustang. :lol: Domestic=big inches, Import=boosted.

:barf:

The thing about the Japanese, they know how critical it is to their economy to support "their" manufacturers. These are not American companies and never will be. We as Americans think that the world is some sort of equal rights playing ground, where everybody plays fair.

EXACTLY!!! Sadly, that is something WE have forgotten/forsaken here, all in the name of consummerism and "global economics". I guarantee that we, our kids, and our grandkids WILL PAY DEARLY for this!! :(

EXACTLY!!! Sadly, that is something WE have forgotten/forsaken here, all in the name of consummerism and "global economics". I guarantee that we, our kids, and our grandkids WILL PAY DEARLY for this!! :(


dont worry.
as the value of the dollar plummits, it'll be cheaper and cheaper for the OEMs to build factories in the US.. and with the huge amount of un/under educated kids being pumped out by our piss-ass excuse for an educational system, there will be plenty of mindless factory workers for them..
:judge:

Empathy for the rape of Nanking? The Bataan death march? The horribly mistreatment of POW's? The fact that they looked at all other Asian races as dogs?

The empathy should be saved for their victims.

FINALLY, someone who realizes that the Nippons are NOT the angels/hapless victims they make themselves out to be (and so much of this country feels they are). Yes, the "defenders" are right, we as a nation are not angels either for the atrocities we may have commited, but that does NOT absolve what they have done!
My girlfriend is from mainland China originally (now a proud U.S. citizen, BTW). She has confirmed the stories (which I found to be way too horrific to believe before) of Nippon soldiers throwing Manchurian babies up into the air and catching them on their bayonets. So much for what the "angelic" and "righteous" Nippons think of all the other Asian races/nationalities.
This is even before we get to all of the other things mentioned above.

dont worry.
as the value of the dollar plummits, it'll be cheaper and cheaper for the OEMs to build factories in the US.. and with the huge amount of un/under educated kids being pumped out by our piss-ass excuse for an educational system, there will be plenty of mindless factory workers for them..
:judge:


Yes, you and all of the other "globalists" are right about our lack of hard core science/math/engineering skills, and pimpy-G worshipping/emulating, MTV raised kids coming into the workforce who cannot even figure out the basics.

But how is buying ONLY import nameplates/supporting foreign economies going to help that scenario??!? :confused:
Besides, if someone has to do your "mindless" work, I'd rather have U.S. citizens employed than the foreign counterparts, NO??

dont worry.
as the value of the dollar plummits, it'll be cheaper and cheaper for the OEMs to build factories in the US..

This is a very good point. If natural economics were not manipulated by foreign countries inflating the value of the dollar "relative to their currency" a Japanese built Compact would cost $50,000 and the dollar store would be the $10 store.
I really don't see how this practice can work, because it should adversely affect their economy too? Any Economic majors out there to explain this???

But how is buying ONLY import nameplates/supporting foreign economies going to help that scenario??!? :confused:

oh its not.. not at all.

just like buying ONLY domestic nameplates is not going to help that scenario.

Well, I personally wouldnt buy one, but it'll be fun to see another car who thinks hes competition for my LS1 Bird and my future Camaro. More fodder for the cannons. :laser:

As far as politics goes: I think both sides have valid points.

>Yes, economically, its hurts US workers to have so much competition on the home front, and weakens our economic strength globally.

>Yes, the Japanese committed horrible attrocities in WWII, but that was because of their GOVERNMENT, not their people. We dont feel that way about BMW or MBZ, do we?? I dont think anyone has ever NOT bought a BMW because of the Nazi Party's control of Germany in WWII. People can change, cultures can change.

>Yes, if an "import" makes a comparable vehicle, i will consider it. When the time comes for a truck, I will most likely buy a Toyota or a GM. When it comes to buying a RWD performance car... It will be a Camaro or a Corvette because the Toyotas/Nissans/Hyundais cant keep stock for stock, or if they can, they'll cost as much as a Corvette, or more.

And besides... V8s will ALWAYS sound better than a turbo-6 or turbo-4.

I would never own a hyundai. I remember my friend used to have new hyundai elantra and it would feel like it was floating at 70 and would shake violently........... this was a few months before it was wrecked.

yea thats because its an elantra... what year was it... garounteed it was pre 2000.... iv gotton my moms sonata up to 110mph and i didnt even relize i was doing that till i looked down... and it got up there pretty fast and held the road as any camry or accord would... now your going to knock the elantra which i dont like anyway.... but caveliers and sunfires and focuses are their rivals in the same class and all 3 of those cars suck major balls for various reasons.... even the cobalts arent that nice and they are brand new design.... my freind has one and has loads of problems... so whats your point....?

>Yes, the Japanese committed horrible attrocities in WWII, but that was because of their GOVERNMENT, not their people. We dont feel that way about BMW or MBZ, do we?? I dont think anyone has ever NOT bought a BMW because of the Nazi Party's control of Germany in WWII. People can change, cultures can change.


Look at it the way that the Japanese did back then. You had the basics of industry starting in a country that had been in the middle ages up until recently. The Emperors had been pushing for modernization and you have NO NATURAL RESOURCES. Attack China.... Start a war. Who cares. Nothing to loose.

Plus, they believed that we were stupid and worn down from war. They actually had plans to invade every part of the globe when they only had a 1 years supply of oil and a small navy. Although, they had many hidden ships by having decks and superstructures ready to bolt-on in case of war even against their pact.

Completely delusional people. They didn't even fully believe Pearl Harbour would work. They did that on chance as they thought we would avoid war if even one guy got shot. Upon seeing bloodshed we would pull out of Polynesia because we had enough already in the Western Front. We couldn't even protect our ships in the Altanic ON OUR COAST LINE. Many times U-boats were spotted literally so close you could wave to the Germans.

Japan can keep trading with Aussie land for all I care. They can learn to change. We should cut them off. We have enough negative flow due to trading with China, already. Negative flow probably means we sent too much business overseas because everyone knows having a factory job is super low class.


So, have they really changed? Maybe.


Look at the SHRINES they built over those sick beliefs from back in the WWII area. I don't mean dedicated to the memory of our beloved. I mean like this shrine is dedicated to the many men who cut peoples heads off and tourtured american pows and we still believe we were right.

I mean they aren't declaring war on people. But, the same groups that were in control then still run things now. They still don't have the resources they wanted. Their survival depends on ruthless control of resources and trading. When you got nothing, you tend to be alot more hostile than a resource rich country.


Main Points (They haven't changed):
1. Ruling class is much the same.
2. Refusal to tone down to disband shrine which many countries find offensive. Pressure from International news did nothing.
3. They are still in a fragile Econ balance like before. They depend much on other countries and we know they don't like that.
4. Recent Econ recession might provoke actions to take natural resources from others.
5. Recent territorial disputes have helped to lift anti-military feelings in Japan. They are trying to lift laws that band preemptive acts.
6. The Japaneese are very nationalistic using Japaneese nameplates to market products here. It wouldn't take much for them to unite under common ideas as ALSO they are not very diverse.

The Japanese are very nationalistic using Japanese nameplates to market products here. It wouldn't take much for them to unite under common ideas as ALSO they are not very diverse.


GREAT point! They are also one of the MOST "racist" and bigoted people on this globe, as they look down upon anyone who is not of "pure" Nippon blood, and they proved it during WW2 (although they do try to be "polite" about it NOW :lol: ). This includes any/every other Asian race around them as well (as has been stated). There is MUCH animosity towards "gaijin" outsiders, even if it is hidden behind the "politeness".
This is why I laugh at all of the importfanboyzz who claim I'm a dumb, "closed-minded" :eyes:, racist, mulleted redneck for refusing to buy Nippon nameplates/imports. I will leave it to them to support the economy of the most racist, "closed" society on this planet. :jest:

BTW; I for one will not buy a Teutonic product either, contrary to what has been said above in Mystic 98's post (and there are MANY I admire/like the performance and/or looks of, i.e.; M3s, GT2/3s, etc.). Even though everyone says to "forgive and forget" and that "you can't blame the son for the sins of the father" (true), some things CANNOT be forgiven and forgotten (by me at least).

I have used this one before.
They don't make anything worth a shit.
http://www.warshipsifr.com/media/burningShip3.jpg

I've driven the current one and it's really slow. I don't think they'll just drop a V8 in it. I really doubt a turbo V6. The funny thing is that it has a torque gauge. LOL.

Look at it the way that the Japanese did back then. You had the basics of industry starting in a country that had been in the middle ages up until recently. The Emperors had been pushing for modernization and you have NO NATURAL RESOURCES. Attack China.... Start a war. Who cares. Nothing to loose.

Plus, they believed that we were stupid and worn down from war. They actually had plans to invade every part of the globe when they only had a 1 years supply of oil and a small navy. Although, they had many hidden ships by having decks and superstructures ready to bolt-on in case of war even against their pact.

Completely delusional people. They didn't even fully believe Pearl Harbour would work. They did that on chance as they thought we would avoid war if even one guy got shot. Upon seeing bloodshed we would pull out of Polynesia because we had enough already in the Western Front. We couldn't even protect our ships in the Altanic ON OUR COAST LINE. Many times U-boats were spotted literally so close you could wave to the Germans.

Japan can keep trading with Aussie land for all I care. They can learn to change. We should cut them off. We have enough negative flow due to trading with China, already. Negative flow probably means we sent too much business overseas because everyone knows having a factory job is super low class.


So, have they really changed? Maybe.


Look at the SHRINES they built over those sick beliefs from back in the WWII area. I don't mean dedicated to the memory of our beloved. I mean like this shrine is dedicated to the many men who cut peoples heads off and tourtured american pows and we still believe we were right.

I mean they aren't declaring war on people. But, the same groups that were in control then still run things now. They still don't have the resources they wanted. Their survival depends on ruthless control of resources and trading. When you got nothing, you tend to be alot more hostile than a resource rich country.


Main Points (They haven't changed):
1. Ruling class is much the same.
2. Refusal to tone down to disband shrine which many countries find offensive. Pressure from International news did nothing.
3. They are still in a fragile Econ balance like before. They depend much on other countries and we know they don't like that.
4. Recent Econ recession might provoke actions to take natural resources from others.
5. Recent territorial disputes have helped to lift anti-military feelings in Japan. They are trying to lift laws that band preemptive acts.
6. The Japaneese are very nationalistic using Japaneese nameplates to market products here. It wouldn't take much for them to unite under common ideas as ALSO they are not very diverse.

What the hell does this have to do with a damn car? Personally I hope ALL the Domestic manufacturers continue to do piss poor until they start making a product worth a shit.

What the hell does this have to do with a damn car? Personally I hope ALL the Domestic manufacturers continue to do piss poor until they start making a product worth a shit.



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WTF!
Sorry for callin them Japs but what the hell are u guys talkin about?

:hijack: :hijack: :hijack: :hijack: :hijack: :hijack:

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WTF!
Sorry for callin them Japs but what the hell are u guys talkin about?


they're all hyped up about the new G8 killer from Hyundai :jest:

Personally I hope ALL the Domestic manufacturers continue to do piss poor until they start making a product worth a shit.

Saturn's making a comeback... Didnt the Aura (I think thats the name... their newest sedan) just win North American Car of the Year?? GM in general is increasing their quality.... slowly but surely. Also, arent Honda and Toyota losing (a little) ground to their inferior American competition?? Maybe you should "Re-think American".

:jest: ... sorry, couldnt help the last bit. Its kinda sad that a phrase like that needs to be a slogan, but thats what you get for making shit cars for a number of years, eh?

Saturn's making a comeback... Didnt the Aura (I think thats the name... their newest sedan) just win North American Car of the Year?? GM in general is increasing their quality.... slowly but surely. Also, arent Honda and Toyota losing (a little) ground to their inferior American competition?? Maybe you should "Re-think American".

:jest: ... sorry, couldnt help the last bit. Its kinda sad that a phrase like that needs to be a slogan, but thats what you get for making shit cars for a number of years, eh?

Actually Toyota, Nissan and Honda are all up is sales. The new Tundra is up 134% from last year this time. Ford is down as well as GM.



http://www.pressroom.toyota.com/Rele...T2007080113917



While thbe F150, is down 18%:


http://media.ford.com/newsroom/relea...?release=26453



Silverado sales down 26.1% to 46,997 from 66,583 the year before.

Sierra sales down 27.9% to 15,892 from 22,947


http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayS...74&docid=38240


Titan sales up 4.5% to 5708 units:

http://www.nissannews.com/



TOKYO -- Toyota, on track to overtake General Motors as the world's biggest automaker this year, said Friday its April-June profit jumped 32.3 percent to a record high for a quarter, lifted by strong overseas sales and a weaker yen.

Surging gas prices have proved a big plus for the Japanese automaker, as drivers flock to Toyota's fuel-efficient models, including the Camry, the best-selling model in the U.S., and the Prius gas-electric hybrid.

"The results are fantastic," said Tsuyoshi Mochimaru, auto analyst with Lehman Brothers in Japan.

Foreign sales are going strong, and the weak yen, which raises the value of overseas earnings when converted into yen, is making rosy earnings even rosier as Toyota's exports grow, Mochimaru said.

Group net profit at Toyota, which also makes the Lexus luxury model and compact Corolla, totaled 491.54 billion yen ($4.1 billion) for the quarter through June, up from 371.50 billion yen the same period the previous year.

Quarterly sales rose 15.7 percent on year to a record 6.523 trillion yen, or $54.7 billion. At current exchange rates, that's more than General Motors Corp.'s record quarterly sales of $54.5 billion, which the Detroit automaker marked in the second quarter of 2006.

But Toyota kept what some analysts say is a conservative forecast for the full fiscal year through March 2008, projecting net profit to inch up just 0.4 percent to 1.65 trillion yen ($13.85 billion) on sales of 25 trillion yen ($209.78 billion).

It also kept its vehicle sales target for the full fiscal year the same at 8.89 million vehicles.

"We posted substantial increases in both revenue and profit, our highest ever quarterly results," said Toyota Senior Managing Director Takeshi Suzuki.

Toyota has already surpassed General Motors in global vehicle sales for the first half of the calendar year, selling 4.72 million vehicle to GM's 4.67 million. Many analysts believe Toyota will likely beat GM for the full year in both sales and production.

The title of world's biggest automaker -- which GM has held for 76 years -- typically is determined by annual global vehicle production numbers. For the first six months of the year, Toyota and its group companies made 4.71 million vehicles worldwide, while GM estimates that it made 4.75 million vehicles during the period.

For the calendar year, Toyota is projecting global sales of 9.34 million vehicles. GM does not give full-year projections, but sold about 9.1 million vehicles in 2006.

GM, meanwhile, has been battling back from losing money in recent years.

Earlier this week, the Detroit-based company reported its third straight quarter of black ink, earning $891 million on the back of strenuous restructuring efforts.

Toyota said sluggish domestic vehicle sales were offset by greater demand in North America, Europe and the rest of Asia.

But even in Japan, operating profit improved because of solid demand for the Lexus, a model that brings in more profit per car than cheaper models, it said.

In North America, a market that's proving tough recently, Toyota sold 762,000 vehicles in the April-June period, an increase of 15,000 vehicles from the same period the previous year, on the successful launch of the Tundra truck and Lexus LS.

The yen's relative weakness against the dollar added 100 billion yen ($839.1 million) to Toyota's bottom line.

Cost reduction efforts offset the damage from higher costs of raw materials, the company said.

Like other Japanese automakers, Toyota was hurt by a temporary closure of a key parts maker in northwestern Japan, which was hit by a 6.8 magnitude earthquake that killed 11 people last month. But Toyota says it can make up for the production loss by the end of the year.

Toyota shares inched up 0.1 percent to 7,080 yen ($59.41). The results were announced shortly before the market closed.

Toyota also recalled more vehicles than they made.

Toyota also recalled more vehicles than they made.

You dont want to go into recalls sir! Ford has recalled 4 million vehicles so far this year:



By KEN THOMAS, Associated Press Writer
4 hours ago

WASHINGTON - Ford Motor Co. said Friday it is recalling 3.6 million passenger cars, trucks, sport utility vehicles and vans to address concerns about a cruise control switch that has led to previous recalls based on reports of fires.

Ford said the recall covered more than a dozen vehicle models built from 1992-2007. The company said it was responding to concerns from owners about the safety of their cars and questions about the speed control deactivation switch in the vehicles that is powered at all times.

The Dearborn, Mich.-based automaker previously had recalled nearly 6 million vehicles beginning in January 2005 because of engine fires linked to the cruise control systems in trucks, SUVs and vans.

"Customers remain concerned about the long-term durability of the speed control system and about the safety of their vehicles," said Ford spokesman Dan Jarvis.

He said the automaker had received "a few reports of fires" in Ford Crown Victoria passenger cars prior to the recall. He did not have a precise number.

The recall involves the following vehicles: 1998-2002 Ford Ranger, 1992-1997 Lincoln Town Car, 1992-1997 Ford Crown Victoria, 1992-1997 Mercury Grand Marquis, 1993-1998 Lincoln Mark VIII, 1993-1995 Taurus SHO, 1999-2001 Ford Explorer and Mercury Mountaineer.

Also covered are the 2001-2002 Ford Explorer Sport, 2001-2002 Ford Explorer Sport Trac, 1992-1993 E150-350 vans, 1997-2002 E150-350 vans, 1993 Ford F-Series pickups, 1993 Ford Bronco, 1994 Mercury Capri, 2003-2004 Ford F-150 Lightning, and 1995-2002 Ford F53 motor homes.

An additional 177,000 vehicles in Canada, Mexico and Europe are covered by the recall.

Jarvis said there have been no deaths, injuries or accidents associated with the recall.

It was Ford's sixth recall, involving a total of more than 10.4 million vehicles, conducted since 1999 because of problems with the speed control system, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

The nation's largest single recall involved 7.9 million Ford vehicles in 1996 to replace an ignition switch.

Texas Instruments Inc. supplied the speed control switch in all of the vehicles covered under Friday's announcement, Ford said. A TI spokeswoman could not immediately comment.

Owners will begin receiving recall notices on Aug. 13. Jarvis said the parts for passenger cars would not be available until early October. In the meantime, owners can take their vehicle to a dealer to have their cruise control deactivated until the parts arrive. The parts are available for trucks, Jarvis said.

Dealers will install a fused wiring harness into the speed control electrical system or replace the deactivation switch if its found to be leaking.

Owners with questions about the recall can contact Ford at (888) 222-2751.


IF you think Toyota has recalled more than Ford and GM, you are sadly mistaken! From Fireston tires, to ignition switches etc...... its not even close. But hey, I guess when you #1 people like to nit pick! :)

The point is your all mighty imports are no different.

Also, that Tundra sales increase is deceptive since it is only for one month (I believe June) and not the whole year. If you are going to quote stats make sure they are accurate- we have been through this before.

What the hell does this have to do with a damn car? Personally I hope ALL the Domestic manufacturers continue to do piss poor until they start making a product worth a shit.


It means they suck. :bang: I'll drive a Skoda when gas supplies get low. Asian cars are no better. I want to see definitive proof that their engines last longer and outperform when subjected to the same abuse. Dyno test until failure. Control by ganged aftermarket ECM.

It means they suck. :bang: I'll drive a Skoda when gas supplies get low. Asian cars are no better. I want to see definitive proof that their engines last longer and outperform when subjected to the same abuse. Dyno test until failure. Control by ganged aftermarket ECM.


Keep thinking the average Taurus, Mailbu, can compete with Accord and Camry. Keep telling yourself, that a Focus and Cavalier, can compete with a Civic and Coralla! Keep telling yourself, that a Monte Carlo/Ford 500 can compete with Lexus or Acura. We dont need a controlled environment, we have loyalist that say so!

Keep thinking the average Taurus, Mailbu, can compete with Accord and Camry. Keep telling yourself, that a Focus and Cavalier, can compete with a Civic and Coralla! Keep telling yourself, that a Monte Carlo/Ford 500 can compete with Lexus or Acura. We dont need a controlled environment, we have loyalist that say so!


Taurus - suck
Mailbu - suck
Accord - suck
Camry - suck
Focus - suck
Cavalier - suck
Civic - suck
Coralla - suck
Monte Carlo - suck
Ford 500 - suck

i believe in equality.. they all suck equally.

:jest:

Gonna refute that or just look idiotic?

It means they suck. :bang: I'll drive a Skoda when gas supplies get low. Asian cars are no better. I want to see definitive proof that their engines last longer and outperform when subjected to the same abuse. Dyno test until failure. Control by ganged aftermarket ECM.

Of course some backwards ass logic like that comes from Joplin. :eyes:

Keep thinking the average Taurus, Mailbu, can compete with Accord and Camry. Keep telling yourself, that a Focus and Cavalier, can compete with a Civic and Coralla! Keep telling yourself, that a Monte Carlo/Ford 500 can compete with Lexus or Acura. We dont need a controlled environment, we have loyalist that say so!

No the Taurus or Malibu can't but they cost a lot less, how but comparing comparblly priced cars.
Grand Prix GTP, Impala (GM 3800 or the new 3.9) Saturn Aura with the 3.6. Are comparable to the Accord or Camry. Not a Malibu.
How about a CTS, STS or Lincoln for the Lexus or Acura. Those are Americas Luxury Brands, Not a Monte or Ford 500.
Apples to apples man, get your head out of the Import cloud.

Keep thinking the average Taurus, Mailbu, can compete with Accord and Camry. Keep telling yourself, that a Focus and Cavalier, can compete with a Civic and Coralla! Keep telling yourself, that a Monte Carlo/Ford 500 can compete with Lexus or Acura. We dont need a controlled environment, we have loyalist that say so!

The records show the Camry and Accord traditionally having higher marks than the Taurus or Malibu in many areas desired by the traditional consumer. Most of the latest reviews show the gaps getting closer, with the Fusion and the Malibu closing the gap or surpassing in the case of the Fusion vs. Accord (see Edmunds). With a lower price and the higher marks there is a very good argument for buying one of these domestics. The choice is even easier to make when comparing them to the other Japanese and Korean cars in their class. The typical Import enthusiast will claim "all" Import vehicles are better than an "American" vehicle even though the Junk yards are full of Mitsubishi's and other 2nd tier Japanese vehicles that would prove otherwise.

I'm an SUV driver and I typically don't buy the above cars even though I have tested them and have had them as leased vehicles. My wifes latest vehicle, an Explorer really surprised me considering her last leases were an Armada (terrible gas mileage) and a Tahoe before that. The Explorer has good acceleration, good mileage, and good NVH performance. I'm not a Ford buyer at all, but my most recent experiences have been very good compared to previous Ford products Ive tested.

My next personal vehicle will be a Tahoe because it is the "best value". Best gas mileage in the full size class, Great reliability, good ergonomics and good for the American ecomomy considering GM employs more Americans than all the import auto manf combined.

I really don't understand this whole "Toyota can do no wrong Phenomenon". And I really can't see Americans banding behind a foriegn company. Yes, they have a very good Corolla and Camry, but they also had the T100, the Previa, the previous Tundra and when they came out with the latest "large" Turdra we have the highest gas prices in our history. Just what we need, another large truck on the road. Not to mention the Hypocracy of the Hybrids.

I am an "American" and as such will support the best American made products I can find. This is the only way of supporting "our" manufacturing base and therefore securing our jobs in the future.

What the hell does this have to do with a damn car? Personally I hope ALL the Domestic manufacturers continue to do piss poor until they start making a product worth a shit.
I guess you haven't ridden in a New Cadillac, Buick or Chevrolet truck.
You need to.

I guess you haven't ridden in a New Cadillac, Buick or Chevrolet truck.
You need to.


Buick :jest:

No the Taurus or Malibu can't but they cost a lot less, how but comparing comparblly priced cars.
Grand Prix GTP, Impala (GM 3800 or the new 3.9) Saturn Aura with the 3.6. Are comparable to the Accord or Camry. Not a Malibu.
How about a CTS, STS or Lincoln for the Lexus or Acura. Those are Americas Luxury Brands, Not a Monte or Ford 500.
Apples to apples man, get your head out of the Import cloud.

They are discontinuing the STS becuase of sales. Lexus and Acura are far beyond, in terms of quality and customer satisfaction. Lexus has been rated #1 for years now, with Acura close behind.

GTP/Impala < Accord/Camary/-----check the sales for more info

STS/CTS < LS450/Acura TL

Nothing American, can compete with any Japanese or German when it comes to luxury. Period! The only thing that is keeping GM alive, is its trucks, not cars!

Im not pro-import! I own a 99 4x4 Tahoe, 07 Tundra and a 350z. Ive also owned a 2001 F-150, 1996 Beretta, 89 mustang, etc.....

I don't care about sales, so what. Both of those cars are comparable and just as good.
Besides sales you can not convince that an Accord or Camary is better than a 3800 powered W-body car.
STS is not discontiued the 08's are coming with a face lift. Where did you read that?
I guess you havent sat in or read anything about an 08 CTS when compared to likes to of Lexus and BMW. The New CTS makes the Acura look like a Yugo. You are seriously missing out if you haven't looked at it.
I will say it again imports are not better than domestics.

I don't care about sales, so what. Both of those cars are comparable and just as good.
Besides sales you can not convince that an Accord or Camary is better than a 3800 powered W-body car.
STS is not discontiued the 08's are coming with a face lift. Where did you read that?
I guess you havent sat in or read anything about an 08 CTS when compared to likes to of Lexus and BMW. The New CTS makes the Acura look like a Yugo. You are seriously missing out if you haven't looked at it.
I will say it again imports are not better than domestics.



http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&p=are+they+discontinuing+sts+cadillac


Post # 1


I dont need to be convinced that the Accord and Camry are on another level than the w-body car. Look at the world wide sales for the vehicles, matter of fact, look at N. America sales. Accord and Camry, have been fighting for # selling car for 15 years straight. Before that, it was the Taurus. The only thing that is keeping GM afloat, is its truck and fleet sales. Not the cavalier(opps I mean colbalt), not the Impala and surely not the monte carlo. IF GM was smart, they would bring the Aussie type vehicle to the States.

http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/12969/first-drive-2008-cadillac-sts-v-6.html

http://www.thetorquereport.com/american_cars/cadillac/

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_08_Cadillac_STS.S178.A10177.html

It is has yet to be axed, maybe in 2011 no word has come down yet. Cadillac says likely but until then they are still making them.

Buick :jest:
Better read up wise ass, Buick is always up there in quality surveys. Just a few years ago they were 2nd in long term durability and 5th in initial quality- Cadillac was second that year. I remember because I was shopping for cars then. GM won the JD Power Gold Plant award for best plant in North America from 2002-06, 5 years straight. They may have won 07, look it up. Keep in mind that you are always spewing how Toyota produces cars right here in the US, so that would be North America.

You are so blind to reality. Do some research, Buick is one of the top selling brands in China- even the Asians want them. They would probably sell well in Japan if they had fair trade.

The only fact is that you do internet searches to find any small bit of information to support your side. Everybody knows you could prove almost anything on the internet, that doesnt make it fact. You have your head so far up your ass you cant see the truth right in front of your face. Keep supporting your Asian companies, and Ill keep buying American cars that have been dead reliable. You call Monte Carlo's junk, yet I owned one for 7 years that gave me ZERO problems. Brakes, maintenance and a battery. During the same period my brother 98 Accord went through 3 transmission.

:gtfo: Go beat off to a Toyota picture and troll a import site.

Better read up wise ass, Buick is always up there in quality surveys. Just a few years ago they were 2nd in long term durability and 5th in initial quality- Cadillac was second that year. I remember because I was shopping for cars then. GM won the JD Power Gold Plant award for best plant in North America from 2002-06, 5 years straight. They may have won 07, look it up. Keep in mind that you are always spewing how Toyota produces cars right here in the US, so that would be North America.

You are so blind to reality. Do some research, Buick is one of the top selling brands in China- even the Asians want them. They would probably sell well in Japan if they had fair trade.

The only fact is that you do internet searches to find any small bit of information to support your side. Everybody knows you could prove almost anything on the internet, that doesnt make it fact. You have your head so far up your ass you cant see the truth right in front of your face. Keep supporting your Asian companies, and Ill keep buying American cars that have been dead reliable. You call Monte Carlo's junk, yet I owned one for 7 years that gave me ZERO problems. Brakes, maintenance and a battery. During the same period my brother 98 Accord went through 3 transmission.

:gtfo: Go beat off to a Toyota picture and troll a import site.
Amen to that Brutha, Amen to that! :judge:
Buick makes an awesome car! With good build quality and awesome GM drivetrains to boot!

Buick :jest:

they were just put #2 in satisfaction and #3 in long term dependability by JD power and associates... oh and to add on to your rant about caddy's, motor trend just said the new CTS is the best caddy in 50 years.... better than all its german and japanese competition :judge:

they were just put #2 in satisfaction and #3 in long term dependability by JD power and associates... oh and to add on to your rant about caddy's, motor trend just said the new CTS is the best caddy in 50 years.... better than all its german and japanese competition :judge:
He won't come back...
"Oh I have Tahoe, so I am not an import guy." :gtfo:
but if he does he will just continue to troll with usless incomplete facts

Buick is a shinning spot for GM overseas.
To bad we have a bunch of brainwashed people sucking up Toyotas.
The new CTS is bad ass. I am getting rid of my 03 for one.
Hand stiching inside and nice interior, which isn't a huge concern to me. 300 HP V6 is very nice!

Im not pro-import!

:lol:

That is the FUNNIEST bit of denial I've seen outside of a liberal.

That one single comment totally and completely explains this idiot. :lol:

Better read up wise ass, Buick is always up there in quality surveys. Just a few years ago they were 2nd in long term durability and 5th in initial quality- Cadillac was second that year. I remember because I was shopping for cars then. GM won the JD Power Gold Plant award for best plant in North America from 2002-06, 5 years straight. They may have won 07, look it up. Keep in mind that you are always spewing how Toyota produces cars right here in the US, so that would be North America.

You are so blind to reality. Do some research, Buick is one of the top selling brands in China- even the Asians want them. They would probably sell well in Japan if they had fair trade.

The only fact is that you do internet searches to find any small bit of information to support your side. Everybody knows you could prove almost anything on the internet, that doesnt make it fact. You have your head so far up your ass you cant see the truth right in front of your face. Keep supporting your Asian companies, and Ill keep buying American cars that have been dead reliable. You call Monte Carlo's junk, yet I owned one for 7 years that gave me ZERO problems. Brakes, maintenance and a battery. During the same period my brother 98 Accord went through 3 transmission.

:gtfo: Go beat off to a Toyota picture and troll a import site.



Who in the hell owns a Buick? Yep, the majority of Doctors, Athletes, Judges, Bankers, Buisness owners, etc...... all drive Buicks :jest: I cant recall the last time I even seen one. Knowone likes them! Knowone drives them! They're ugly as sin! Have NO PERFORMANCE! Its a POS, sorry to bust your bubble. It is targeted to 70year grandma's

He won't come back...
"Oh I have Tahoe, so I am not an import guy." :gtfo:
but if he does he will just continue to troll with usless incomplete facts

Buick is a shinning spot for GM overseas.
To bad we have a bunch of brainwashed people sucking up Toyotas.
The new CTS is bad ass. I am getting rid of my 03 for one.
Hand stiching inside and nice interior, which isn't a huge concern to me. 300 HP V6 is very nice!


Yea get the CTS while you can lol

Who in the hell owns a Buick? Yep, the majority of Doctors, Athletes, Judges, Bankers, Buisness owners, etc...... all drive Buicks :jest: I cant recall the last time I even seen one. Knowone likes them! Knowone drives them! They're ugly as sin! Have NO PERFORMANCE! Its a POS, sorry to bust your bubble. It is targeted to 70year grandma's
This is your response? I already told your dumb ass who is buying them. But, I am suprised you just didnt respond with a smilie. :jest:

Just looking at the posts you write makes you look like a complete idiot. Not just the content, but the actual writing!!!! The car mags are giving most of the Buick's positive reviews, including on styling. They are not intended to be performance cars you moron. But I guess KNOWONE knows that either. :eyes:

STS/CTS < LS450/Acura TL


I would hope so, although I wont concede it.

LS460 - $61,000 base price.
STS - $43,135 base price.

I would hope that it is at least 41% better.

Oh yeah, the CTS starts at $30,670.

You are such an idiot. :jest:

It means they suck. :bang: I'll drive a Skoda when gas supplies get low. Asian cars are no better. I want to see definitive proof that their engines last longer and outperform when subjected to the same abuse. Dyno test until failure. Control by ganged aftermarket ECM.


Keep thinking the average Taurus, Mailbu, can compete with Accord and Camry. Keep telling yourself, that a Focus and Cavalier, can compete with a Civic and Coralla! Keep telling yourself, that a Monte Carlo/Ford 500 can compete with Lexus or Acura. We dont need a controlled environment, we have loyalist that say so!

Calling me a loyalist when I freely accept moderately priced European cars?? Maybe I buy what I buy because it is well designed or it changes the conditions of the world in a way I see better fit. But, since I would buy other cars if I was in another market does that mean I am stuck to one particular brand? A naysayer to all else?

Maybe I don't care for the Oriental market stratergy or Henry Ford's views against immigrants. I might like Chevy for more than just Louis Chevrolet obsession with racing MORE than making good cars. Maybe GM has a more responsible international stance than many companies of Oriental orgin.

With GM, many cars are made in Mexico and Canada but designed here and we keep the lot of the cash here in the Americas. It either goes to us or developing countries which has massive amounts of benefits for even the USA.

I can't say the same for Oriental companies, though. Where does their cash go? To the public? To the Japanese ruling class? To the Chineese army since all business is nationalised? Buy Skoda and you help the improving country of Romainia; the cash won't all go to the elite. FIAT gave high paying jobs to many in times of depression. Still does. Same with GM. GM pays their middle management, engineers, and ASM line guys quite well. Delphi used to give guys $30/hr with other benefits. Most factory workers are lucky to get $16/hr American dream... Down goes domestic automobiles down goes the availabilty of more good paying American jobs.

More parts from GM come from American countries which are being pay a more fair wage then parts made by those of Oriental orgins. If someone in Mexico got 60 cents an hour to make my cruise control cable then I wouldn't want to know how much the guy got paid that made parts for Oriental cars. I am sure not all parts are made on the Japaneese mainland as the recent earthquake affected Chineese factories so much, too. Hmmm.



Gonna refute that or just look idiotic?



Of course some backwards ass logic like that comes from Joplin. :eyes:

Why would I refute something I stated especially if it is not so backwards but perchance a globally friendly view?

If you wish to see how "idiotic" I am feel free to start a conversation on Mid East Politics or Global Resource Distributation. Sorry you deem me off the mark at times. :P It is not like I can blatenly state anything that comes to mind in the same nomenclature of which I contrive.

Yea get the CTS while you can lol
Here you go. You are ridiculous.
Cadillac CTS sales
2005 61,512 2006 54,846
Lexus IS series
2005 15,789 2006 54,267
Acura TL
2005 78,218 2006 71,348

Source wards auto/SEMA calculations
The CTS is a bright spot for Caddy why would they get rid of it.
Cadillac only wanted to sell about 30,000 a year.
The lost sales number in 2006
However the whole luxury car industry overall lost 11% in sales
With CTS make over I bet Cadillac sells over 60,000 this year.

Who in the hell owns a Buick? Yep, the majority of Doctors, Athletes, Judges, Bankers, Buisness owners, etc...... all drive Buicks :jest: I cant recall the last time I even seen one. Knowone likes them! Knowone drives them! They're ugly as sin! Have NO PERFORMANCE! Its a POS, sorry to bust your bubble. It is targeted to 70year grandma's

Here we go again....

Buick makes a damn good car, I don't care what you say. No performance? I thought they came with Northstar V8s and blown sixes in top trim, and a "meager" 200hp+ base engine? When was the last time Honda or Toyota offered a Camry or Accord that had a base engine with 200+ hp? Never. Shit, my friends '95 Regal GS(non-supercharged) has well over 200K miles on it and it STILL does a mean burnout and runs a solid ~15 second quarter mile. That's faster than a brand new Civic Si.



Have you ever even driven a Buick? If not, please go do so before spouting off shit about a brand you have no experience with.

On the topic at hand, Mercury is about as ignored as you can get as far as quality and reliability go. I think they were rated #1 in satisfaction a year or so back or something similar, but still are completely ignored by the public....Ford needs to give them a real Cougar again...think Mustang with Merc styling and a 5.4L...drool..

Hey, don't mind "piss", after all, someone has to rep the brainwashed/lemming/sheeple TOYboyzz on here, right? :jest:

I still don't believe that he does not work for the Nippon Giant/"epitome of perfection"<--- :eyes: :eyes: he sooo worships, though.

Here is another one for you goof ball.
Buick Lucerne sales 2006
88,938
Toyota Avalon
84,218
Buick sells very nice, very well built cars.

It is targeted to 70year grandma's

Like your precious f'in Avalon is not, TOYboy??!!?

Wow, I'm feeling old. Ive always liked the lines on a Buick. Simple, yet elegant. still can't figure out how they get better reliability out of similar parts as Chevy and Pontiac.

Originally Posted by pssonu
Who in the hell owns a Buick? Yep, the majority of Doctors, Athletes, Judges, Bankers, Buisness owners, etc...... all drive Buicks I cant recall the last time I even seen one. Knowone likes them! Knowone drives them! They're ugly as sin! Have NO PERFORMANCE! Its a POS, sorry to bust your bubble. It is targeted to 70year grandma's

yeah my grandma decided not to buy a buick based on the performance....(hmm...sarcasm in case you didn't catch it).... your a moron... my buddies 99 regal GS with simple bolt-ons runs high 13's low 14's, best damn grocery getter around.

yeah my grandma decided not to buy a buick based on the performance....(hmm...sarcasm in case you didn't catch it).... your a moron... my buddies 99 regal GS with simple bolt-ons runs high 13's low 14's, best damn grocery getter around.

:funny: Yeah, your friend's "no performance" Buford outruns all but very few of piss' fave manufacturer's "performance" models (i.e.; only a few of the quickest Lexus models, costing 2-3 times as much)!! :usa: :usa:

Toyota also recalled more vehicles than they made.
Say that again to yourself...how much sense does that statement make?

Oh good. "too leet". Another ricer name with 5 posts. He either made another account, or he's called in more fanboys to try to help him out.

Say that again to yourself...how much sense does that statement make?
Well, common sense would tell you that they produced cars for more than one year. Last year they recalled more cars then they made because they recalled cars from PREVIOUS years.
You see, the vehicles made add up to something called a total. I know it is hard to comprehend through the brainwashing, just dont drink the Kool-aid.
Oh yeah, welcome to the site. :STFU:

Next the fanboys are going to claim the stats were h4X0r3d in base 8 by ReVoLuTiOn4riezz!!11 as to make the numbers look larger than they appear. :engarde:

Have you ever even driven a Buick? If not, please go do so before spouting off shit about a brand you have no experience with.

On the topic at hand, Mercury is about as ignored as you can get as far as quality and reliability go. I think they were rated #1 in satisfaction a year or so back or something similar, but still are completely ignored by the public....Ford needs to give them a real Cougar again...think Mustang with Merc styling and a 5.4L...drool..

Nothing American, can compete with any Japanese or German when it comes to luxury. Period! The only thing that is keeping GM alive, is its trucks, not cars!

Well, maybe not. Here's the results from JD Power dependability study. Buick on top with Lexus. While many people may take not care for JD Power studies, they are the big dog and the OEM's all pay for their service.

Buick, Lexus Tie in Dependability Study
By DEE-ANN DURBIN,AP
Posted: 2007-08-09 18:19:29
DETROIT (AP) - Buick tied with Lexus as the highest-ranking brand in a closely watched study of vehicle dependability, marking the first time in 12 years that Lexus has shared the top award, J.D. Power and Associates said Thursday.

Cadillac, Mercury and Honda rounded out the top five brands in the annual survey, which measures problems experienced by the original owners of three-year-old vehicles. Both Buick and Lexus had 145 problems per 100 vehicles. The worst-performing brand, Land Rover, had 398 problems. The industry average was 216 problems, down from 227 problems in last year's survey.

Cadillac better than Toyota? Acura? Infinti?
OH NO!
Can't be...
Pssonu, where are you at now?

Cadillac better than Toyota? Acura? Infinti?
OH NO!
Can't be...
Pssonu, where are you at now?

lol, exactly. Afterall, we clearly need to be saved from the truth. :jest:


Funniest thing is that the CTS-V is an M5 competitor. Naturally it laughs at japanese stuff. I think that's what has him so miffed. lol

^ Isnt the cts-v getting the ls7 next year???
That thing will own the m5.

^ Isnt the cts-v getting the ls7 next year???
That thing will own the m5.

CTS-V vs M5

:dark:

It'll be a bloodbath!

^ Isnt the cts-v getting the ls7 next year???

Is this true. I thought they would keep the LS7 Z06 specific? Personally I think the LS7 should be the base motor in the 2009 Z-28 :burn:.

i want that

looks like an eclipse .... ill stick with my muscle car