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Ling_650vette
08-03-2007, 04:31 PM
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Mark your calendars, because we're calling today a watershed moment for the advancement of diesel's acceptance in the U.S. General Motors has just announced a new 4.5L V8 Duramax turbo-diesel powerplant it plans to use in the Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra half-ton pickups, as well as the HUMMER H2. The new oil burner is expected to produce at least 310 horsepower and 520 ft-lbs. of torque. It features dual-overhead cams, four valves per cylinder, a variable-vane turbocharger and aluminum cylinder heads with integrated manifolding that helps keep the overall package small enough to fit in the same space as the automaker's small-block gas V8s.

That's right, just imagine the possibilities. Wherever GM uses a small-block V8 gas engine, it could potentially use the 4.5L V8 Duramax diesel. In a few years we could be driving diesel Impalas, diesel Camaros, maybe even a diesel Corvette! To quote GM's press release, the engine's small size gives it "the flexibility to introduce this engine in a wide variety of vehicle applications should there be future market demand." Indeed.

GM estimates that the engine will improve fuel efficiency by 25%, reduce CO2 emissions by 13% and decrease particulate and NOx emissions by at least 90% in its GMT900 pickups and the HUMMER H2. Whoever said the HUMMER H2 was on its way out will likely be proven incorrect after this engine debuts. Scheduled to be built at the GM Tonawanda engine plant outside Buffalo, NY, the 4.5L V8 Duramax diesel will be 50-state emissions compliant and meet 2010 diesel emissions standards, as well. GM claims its new diesel will also have NVH (Noise, Vibration and Harshness) levels approaching those of today's current gas V8s, though we'll have to wait and see if that wish comes true. That wait should end in a couple of years, as the automaker states the engine will be available in Silverado, Sierra and H2 models built after 2009.


GM Press Release
TONAWANDA, N.Y. – General Motors Corp. will introduce a new, state-of-the-art 4.5L V-8 Duramax turbo-diesel that improves engine fuel efficiency by 25 percent, reduces CO2 emissions by 13 percent and cuts particulates and NOx emissions by at least 90 percent for North American light duty trucks and the HUMMER H2 built after 2009.

The premium V-8 diesel is expected to deliver class-leading torque, power and refinement while maintaining a significant fuel efficiency advantage over comparable-output gasoline engines.

The new dual-overhead cam, four-valve V-8 diesel engine will fit within the same space of a small-block V-8 gasoline engine. This compact size is made possible by using integral cylinder head exhaust manifolds, integral cam cover intake manifolds and a narrow block.

"This new GM light duty diesel is expected to become a favorite among customers who require excellent towing ability and fuel efficiency," said Tom Stephens, group vice president, GM Global Powertrain and Quality. "It will meet the stringent 2010 emissions standards, and it will be compliant in all 50 states, making it one of the cleanest diesel vehicles ever produced."

Environmental benefits of the new engine include a 13-percent reduction in CO2 versus gasoline engines, and at least a 90-percent reduction in particulates and NOx compared to diesel vehicles today. This will be GM's first engine to use a selective catalytic reduction NOx aftertreatment system with a diesel particulate filter to help achieve the Tier 2 Bin 5 and LEV 2 emissions standards.

Technical highlights of the engine include aluminum cylinder heads with integrated manifolding; a variable-vane turbocharger with intercooling; a Compacted Graphite Iron (CGI) block for a stronger and lighter engine base (compared to lower-strength aluminum or heavier grey cast iron); and fracture-split main bearing caps and connecting rods for a precise fit. An electronically controlled, ultra-high-pressure, common-rail fuel system is used, which has the ability to inject fuel five times per combustion event to control noise and emissions.

"This new V-8 is not only a clean diesel meeting the toughest emissions requirements in North America, it also delivers an effortless performance feel because of its high torque across the speed range," said Charlie Freese, executive director of GM Powertrain Diesel Engineering. "It is also significantly quieter than other diesels on the road today, with noise and vibration performance approaching gasoline V-8 levels."

Freese said the new V-8's compact size enables it to fit in the envelope of a gasoline small-block engine, which provides GM the flexibility to introduce this engine in a wide variety of vehicle applications should there be future market demand.

The premium V-8 diesel engine is expected to deliver class-leading refinement, horsepower and torque and fulfill multiple vehicle applications with ratings in excess of 310 horsepower and 520 lb-ft of torque.

GM (Opel, Saab, Vauxhall and GMDAT ) currently offers 17 diesel engine variants in 45 vehicle lines around the world. GM sells more than one million diesel engines annually, with products that offer a range of choices from the 1.3L four-cylinder diesel engine sold in the Opel Agila and Corsa, up to the 6.6L V-8 Duramax diesel sold in full-size vans, heavy duty pickups and medium duty trucks in the U.S.

GM first introduced the Duramax diesel 6.6L V-8 in the U.S. in the 2001 model year and since then, customer enthusiasm for this heavy duty diesel has been outstanding. In fact, GM's heavy duty pickup truck market share has jumped nearly tenfold in the six years that Duramax engines have been offered.

General Motors Corp. (NYSE: GM), the world's largest automaker, has been the annual global industry sales leader for 76 years. Founded in 1908, GM today employs about 280,000 people around the world. With global headquarters in Detroit, GM manufactures its cars and trucks in 33 countries. In 2006, nearly 9.1 million GM cars and trucks were sold globally under the following brands: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, GM Daewoo, Holden, HUMMER, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and Vauxhall. GM's OnStar subsidiary is the industry leader in vehicle safety, security and information services. More information on GM can be found at www.gm.com.

Link (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/15/gm-announces-clean-diesel-v8-for-pickups-and-the-hummer-h2/)

Pretty interesting GM officially releases this info first being their "usual" reputation for being late to the party and all...

I know there might not be a huge diesel fanbase here, but I think this is really trick. Esp if it can fit in the same place as the Gen III/IV stuff. Now if it can produce power and get equal/superior fuel economy then the gas engines - this will really be a hot seller.


getsomz29
08-03-2007, 08:09 PM
Thats pretty cool. Can wait to see all these new diesels coming out over the next few years!

WECIV
08-04-2007, 12:00 AM
Gimme that mated to a M6 in a Maro!!!

W


WECIV
08-04-2007, 12:01 AM
One thing urks me though...no aluminium block. Why is that? Is it harder to do a aluminium block in a turbo diesel? Educate my ignorance. Thanks!!!

W

DrkPhynx
08-04-2007, 01:12 AM
One thing urks me though...no aluminium block. Why is that? Is it harder to do a aluminium block in a turbo diesel? Educate my ignorance. Thanks!!!

W

Diesels generally need to be stronger, and so far aluminum just is too soft. Same reason guys who run big boost use iron blocks. Diesels are all about boost, and super high pressure direct injected fuel, leading to much higher chamber pressures, so they need the iron block.

Plus iron blocks are always smaller. Notice how much they stressed packaging there. OHC is always much larger too - heads are bigger, and have to be stronger to support the cam(s), which again means bigger. This means the block has to be stronger, which also again means bigger, so that would be another reason for iron.

Gale Banks is working on an aluminum block turbo diesel, which he plans to spin to 7 grand. Can't wait to see that.

99Hawk262
08-04-2007, 12:41 PM
Nice....only mod required is a tuner that ups the power by 250 and the torque by 400. :D I would definitely buy a 1/2 ton truck with this engine.

My1st Truck
08-04-2007, 03:48 PM
I will buy a Half ton truck with that engine!

WECIV
08-04-2007, 06:40 PM
Why exactly do diesel blocks need to be stronger? Is it because they use pressure instead of spark to ignite the fuel? Thanks!

W

DrkPhynx
08-04-2007, 08:31 PM
Why exactly do diesel blocks need to be stronger? Is it because they use pressure instead of spark to ignite the fuel? Thanks!

W

Because they are running boost and super high pressure DI fuel, like I said.

Plus.... again, packaging. That's a turbo, means more room for piping, so everything needs to be smaller to pack it in. Ever see a Ford iron 5.0 side by side with an aluminum dohc 4.6?

XLR8NSS
08-04-2007, 08:43 PM
Why exactly do diesel blocks need to be stronger? Is it because they use pressure instead of spark to ignite the fuel? Thanks!

W

Running 660lb-ft of torque(stock unmodified Dmax) at 1600rpm might have something to do with it too. ;)

You need good solid parts for that kinda torque. :D

Nine Ball
08-04-2007, 09:29 PM
That is kick ass.

qwikz28
08-04-2007, 11:13 PM
i hope they don't stop there and hopefully give us some diesel SUVs! :)

camarolvr69
08-05-2007, 09:02 PM
If they put it in a Colorado I would buy it.... :devil:

:drive: :jest:

ChaseSS
08-05-2007, 09:43 PM
Gimme that mated to a M6 in a Maro!!!

W

lol I would like to see that....

finally, its about time that start throwing more economical diesels in SUV's and smaller trucks

sb427f-car
08-06-2007, 01:13 PM
Diesels generally need to be stronger, and so far aluminum just is too soft. Same reason guys who run big boost use iron blocks. Diesels are all about boost, and super high pressure direct injected fuel, leading to much higher chamber pressures, so they need the iron block.

Plus iron blocks are always smaller. Notice how much they stressed packaging there. OHC is always much larger too - heads are bigger, and have to be stronger to support the cam(s), which again means bigger. This means the block has to be stronger, which also again means bigger, so that would be another reason for iron.

Gale Banks is working on an aluminum block turbo diesel, which he plans to spin to 7 grand. Can't wait to see that.
Dunno why it can't be alum, other than a shitload of cost involved...

http://www.rfmsports.com/IMSA/ALMS/News/audi.r10.sebring.2.jpg

This has an alum. block, runs somewhere around 50#s and spins to about 5500 rpm.

sb427f-car
08-06-2007, 01:13 PM
If they put it in a Colorado I would buy it.... :devil:

:drive: :jest:
I'm with you on this one!

BanditTA
08-06-2007, 01:33 PM
OOOooo factory power adder, i'll put that little sucker in the S-10.

ZoneSS
08-06-2007, 01:44 PM
Thats a great truck power plant lots of torque. That would be a blast in a colorado or s10!! :judge:

DrkPhynx
08-06-2007, 02:43 PM
Dunno why it can't be alum, other than a shitload of cost involved...

http://www.rfmsports.com/IMSA/ALMS/News/audi.r10.sebring.2.jpg

This has an alum. block, runs somewhere around 50#s and spins to about 5500 rpm.

Cost and packaging. It's been said like a dozen times already.

Sure you can make it strong enough with aluminum, but to do it for a price low enough for the mass market is the key. And they are cramming a turbo OHC into the same space requirements as an NA OHV, that means they basically have to go iron. As said several times before......

qwikz28
08-06-2007, 03:12 PM
Cost and packaging. It's been said like a dozen times already.

Sure you can make it strong enough with aluminum, but to do it for a price low enough for the mass market is the key. And they are cramming a turbo OHC into the same space requirements as an NA OHV, that means they basically have to go iron. As said several times before......
thats interesting.. i never knew OHC were generally larger than pushrod OHV motor. good info :cheers:

B4CZR2
08-24-2007, 10:54 AM
well I know I will just have to hold out on buying a new truck until that engine makes its way into the sierra and silverado. My next step is diesel, it makes more sense in a truck I feel. Plus I can't wait to see what software goodies Banks and Bully Dog will come up for it! Maybe I will buy a motor and ditch the 4.3L in my ZR2 as well!

Ling_650vette
08-27-2007, 01:37 PM
thats interesting.. i never knew OHC were generally larger than pushrod OHV motor. good info :cheers:

Its not necessarily the engines themselves are "larger" its just that with an OHC V configuration you get into width concerns thanks to those massive heads and the block angles to make them function.

Instead of cramming 10lbs of shit into a 5lbs bag, they're tryin to cram 6.5lbs into one. Which, its easier but still presents a problem.

Revelation Z28
08-27-2007, 08:36 PM
what are thoes ribs on the valve covers?

AronZ28
08-27-2007, 09:44 PM
Awesome:bow:

Hope they put the diesel into Tahoes, Suburbans, Denalis, etc

Anybody notice the "exhaust manifolds intergrated into the cylinder heads" :huh:

1CAMWNDR
08-28-2007, 11:43 AM
I read in Diesel Power magazine that the cylinder head flow is reversed. Exhaust portsw will exit into the valley between the cylinder banks directly into the turbo charger; and the intake ports will be integrated with the composite valve covers.
Wierd.

GR33N GoblinM6
08-28-2007, 01:01 PM
bout time they put one in the H2... that pig heavy SUV has NEEDED it since it first came out... never understood why they never put one in, in the first place.

2002_Z28_Six_Speed
08-28-2007, 04:12 PM
Cost and packaging. It's been said like a dozen times already.

Sure you can make it strong enough with aluminum, but to do it for a price low enough for the mass market is the key. And they are cramming a turbo OHC into the same space requirements as an NA OHV, that means they basically have to go iron. As said several times before......

GM is also swinging towards reliability these days.

MrDude_1
08-28-2007, 04:31 PM
thats fuggin AWESOME!!!

todds87ss
08-28-2007, 05:30 PM
Diesels generally need to be stronger, and so far aluminum just is too soft. Same reason guys who run big boost use iron blocks. Diesels are all about boost, and super high pressure direct injected fuel, leading to much higher chamber pressures, so they need the iron block.

Plus iron blocks are always smaller. Notice how much they stressed packaging there. OHC is always much larger too - heads are bigger, and have to be stronger to support the cam(s), which again means bigger. This means the block has to be stronger, which also again means bigger, so that would be another reason for iron.

Gale Banks is working on an aluminum block turbo diesel, which he plans to spin to 7 grand. Can't wait to see that.

I'll add that the most basic diesel engine (of course) does not rely on spark to ignite the mixture, just heat (residual, heat of compression, and glow plug). Iron retains heat better than aluminum, and is also stronger. Odd that the very quality that makes it preferable in a gas motor makes it undesirable in the diesel.

Ling_650vette
08-29-2007, 11:45 AM
what are thoes ribs on the valve covers?

I'd assume its for added cooling/heat dissipation due to the turbo layout and/or general temperatures that diesels see.

Franco
08-30-2007, 10:40 AM
I went from a Ford f-250 6.0 diesel to a 07 NBS 5.3 Silverado and I really miss my diesel if I had a diesel in the 07 it would be an all around better truck...... I can not wait.

Checkmate
09-01-2007, 12:07 PM
Wondering how much it will cost the customer to check off the diesel option in their 1500 pickup. hmmm

1CAMWNDR
09-01-2007, 02:40 PM
Wondering how much it will cost the customer to check off the diesel option in their 1500 pickup. hmmm
I wonder the same thing.....

redbandit98
09-04-2007, 09:47 PM
me three. hell i was talking to my buddy the other day and i told him the half ton diesel will probably be more than the 2500 diesel. haha just my luck..i still want one..badly.

1CAMWNDR
09-05-2007, 04:05 PM
If I am not mistaken, the Duramax option on a 2500 truck is $7,200.

Ling_650vette
09-19-2007, 08:38 AM
Yeah, but the entire package that the fair majority of people get is like $8300 being they match the Allison with the Dmax. Which its still only like $10-100 more expensive then the PSD/Torqshift or whatever the hell Ford' combo is called so its evenly priced with the competition.

But I dont see this setup costing quite that much as an option. If GM/Dodge/Ford does do it, they're missing out on the point entirely. I could see a ~3k increase vs what a fully loaded Z71 is now, but if we're talking 5-7k+ I wont expect this idea to last...

B4CZR2
09-19-2007, 04:33 PM
me three. hell i was talking to my buddy the other day and i told him the half ton diesel will probably be more than the 2500 diesel. haha just my luck..i still want one..badly.
If it was more than a 2500 diesel, then get the 2500 diesel! Its a more heavy duty version of a 1500 anyway!

Fulton 1
09-25-2007, 02:24 PM
I'm with you on this one!

Me three! And give me a manual trans too! :D




I'm asking too much, huh?

xfactor_pitbulls
10-08-2007, 09:50 PM
Dunno why it can't be alum, other than a shitload of cost involved...

http://www.rfmsports.com/IMSA/ALMS/News/audi.r10.sebring.2.jpg

This has an alum. block, runs somewhere around 50#s and spins to about 5500 rpm.

Yeah well, arent they billet and annealed blocks?

xfactor_pitbulls
10-08-2007, 09:54 PM
Sounds like a really cool deal to get a small diesel in the half ton chassis.............But my problem is what they have behind it. You have all this grunt and talk about towing, etc. The trans in GM 1500s doesnt have a great track record. Hopefully its a new deal equal in strength to the 4L80.

camarolvr69
10-08-2007, 10:33 PM
Maybe it will get an Allison 6 spd....:burn::hump:

Phil8616
10-10-2007, 11:57 AM
ahhh, new Maro or 1500 Sierra 4.5l oil burner Z71....decisions

JohnnyC
10-10-2007, 01:44 PM
Bad F$@$ing ass! :headbang::drool::drool:

It's about time GM innovated something! I wonder how much cash the diesel engine option will cost?