Automotive News, Media & Press - Gibbs goin Toyota

:cry: :cry: :cry: :punch:
it was just on abc sports. :(

I just saw it on ESPN, i can't believe it. I guess toyota offered him more, than Chevrolet was.
-Joel

can't cheer for stewart if he's in a toyota
can't cheer for jr if he's teamed with jimmy johnson

sunuvabiznatch

The Nippon Giant can buy whateverthef*** it wants thanks to all of the Camry/Corolla ONLY buying sheeple out there. This is now the end of NASCAR. They will kill this series just as sure as they've done to every other one in which they've competed (save for F1).

Hope you're happy now you fat pig, Helton (as well as the remaining France family)!! :pissed: :thumbsdow

I just saw it on ESPN, i can't believe it. I guess toyota offered him more, than Chevrolet was.
-Joel
I would bet Toyota offered them the world. They need a team like this to be competitive. Just look at what Chevrolet has done in the series over the past 10 years or so, and what they are doing this year- then think about what it would take to get you to switch.

Yeah i bet they offered them everything they could imagine. But i totally agree with you they need a team like Joe Gibbs Racing if they want to compete with a team like Hendricks. Sucks though its going to be weird seeing tony stewart in a toyota.
-Joel

I bet stewart is pissed... he obviously doesn't like jarrett ... ahhhh i hate toyota, why change?

Money changes EVERYTHING!

Derek

I like Tony Stewart and all, but I don't see myself pulling for him in a Toyota. He going to lose a lot of fans it seems.

Like a lot of people said, Toyota is going to ruin the sport. wait until Honda gets in there. It will be the battle of the imports..

Fuck this bullshit, I'm officially tired of and no longer interested in Nascar.

Fuck this bullshit, I'm officially tired of and no longer interested in Nascar.

Agree!!

Honestly, does Toyota think people will go out and buy a V6 Camry because some tool just won a race? It doesn’t get more bland and ugly than a Camry "appliance car".

can't cheer for stewart if he's in a toyota
can't cheer for jr if he's teamed with jimmy johnson

sunuvabiznatch


you still gotta cheer for jr, at least he will still be driving a chevy

Wtf :nono:

I wonder how many tony stewart fans are going to go out and slap a toyota emblem on there chevy trucks now that he'll be driving for toyota?
-Joel

I wonder how many tony stewart fans are going to go out and slap a toyota emblem on there chevy trucks now that he'll be driving for toyota?
-Joel

Or when you walk into a Home Depot, are they going to have a big "Lee Trevino's hat" TOY logo hanging from the rafters??!!
Although I would have rooted for him IF (and ONLY IF) it came down to him and a TOY driver (WHEN he was still a Chevy driver), I have NEVER liked Tony Baloney the hothead all that much (and Home Depot/Gibbs Racing even less). Now I can REALLY go all out on the hating. And despite what all of you may think of him (or his teamate), this makes me root for JJ/Lowes even more!!!!

TOY :thumbsdow

Home Depot/Gibbs :thumbsdow

"Smoke" (which I HOPE he goes up in!!) :thumbsdow

So lame.

With all the success Gibbs has has running Chevrolets, the ONLY reason they would switch is for money.

And that, my friends, makes Joe Gibbs Racing the latest addition to the list of SELL OUTS.

If Tony Stewart knows what's good for him, he'll quit JGR this off-season.

125 Million over 5 years or something to that tune.. plus once the Gibbs engine shop gets ahold of the new phase 14 engine its going to be on....You guys just have to accept that Toyota is here... and you cant blame them for switching.. All spoken like true race fans.... :eyes:

Well if your a team that is playing 2nd fiddle to HMS, and RCR for Chevy Support (each will have 4 cars next season) - It's hard to get more support from them then that Gibbs has already. The big reason for the switch to Toyota is that Gibbs will be the #1 team for them = alot more mfg support than what they are receiving or will be receiving if they stuck with Chevy. Besides it was inevitable that Toyota had to do something as the teams they have all new; they did not have the luxury of being in the top 35 in Owner Points, and obviously had numerous difficulties in building their teams if they could not make all the races (qualifying). Toyota needed one of the powerteams in Nascar and well they got what they needed - JGR...........

Still I can't imagine seeing Stewart running a Toyota as he's been a GM guy during his career with NASCAR. I believe his contract is up this year or possibly next year - Gibbs is still trying to sign him and Home Depot to an extension. I'm sure this change will factor into Stewart's decision of going to another Chevy Team, or retire. Hamlin would probably follow Stewart in a year or two. Busch on the other hand is locked in for several years.

I guess will have to wait & see how this plays out.

Go Mark Martin! haha,

sorry, I just had to say that to let my point be known that some drivers, regardless of what they drive or which manufacturer they're sporting, will always have devoted friends.

With that being said. I think Tony IS going to lose alot of fans from the switch....with his personality, I think its just one more thing to start rooting for someone else. Now, if it was Bobby Labonte, that'd be a different story, but he doesn't drive for ol' Joe anymore.

Needless to say, I'm not happy to see the move. As much as I like Toyota for consumer cars, they need to stay away from my damn American motorsports!

125 Million over 5 years or something to that tune.. plus once the Gibbs engine shop gets ahold of the new phase 14 engine its going to be on....You guys just have to accept that Toyota is here... and you cant blame them for switching.. All spoken like true race fans.... :eyes:
you wont be saying that when nextel cup is like cart and irl

Of course, all "true race fans" MUST plead for their series to be destroyed, right?? :eyes:

I think Tony Stewart is signed on with Gibbs through 2009, and Hamlin through 2010.
Both were working on contract extensions this year.
Who know what will come of it now, but I can't see either one of them staying.

Here's something interesting...

A statement from Joe Gibbs upon the announcement in 2003 that they would switch from Pontiac to Chevy:
What do the drivers think about the switch?
"If you think about a drivers makeup, what they're wanting to do is just make sure you have absolutely the best motor, the best crew cheif, the best crew, and the best car, because you only have a certain number of years to do this."

Do you think Tony Stewart believes that Toyota is the best car and offers the best motor?
Do you think Tony Stewart is wondering if he can win another championship in a Toyota?
Could Tony Stewart end up leaving JGR due to JGR trying to save a dime by having the Toyota engine program?
Is it a dime holding up a dollar, and possibly holding back a champion?

( quote and commentary from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyhmznG40_o )

Seriously.
Joe Gibbs is not only a sellout, but also a lunatic since he doesn't even believe what he said himself.

^ From Tony Stewart: "The fans that follow nascar want american based cars, american products, they pull for the red white and blue."

Me im not a huge hardcore nascar fan, but i do watch it occasionally. My driver of choice is Jeff Gordon, but if Jeff Gordon is knocked out of the race i go for Tony Stewart. Now thats hes going to a Toyota its like Tony who? I guess i really liked the idea of him driving for Chevrolet. Has tony stewart made any statement about the change from chevrolet to toyota, and maybe his feelings about the move?
-Joel

Of course, all "true race fans" MUST plead for their series to be destroyed, right?? :eyes:

Actually, yeah. I'm tired of these shitty non-real world cars. Give me real stock cars anyday....

I think Tony Stewart is signed on with Gibbs through 2009, and Hamlin through 2010.
Both were working on contract extensions this year.
Who know what will come of it now, but I can't see either one of them staying.

Here's something interesting...

A statement from Joe Gibbs upon the announcement in 2003 that they would switch from Pontiac to Chevy:
What do the drivers think about the switch?
"If you think about a drivers makeup, what they're wanting to do is just make sure you have absolutely the best motor, the best crew cheif, the best crew, and the best car, because you only have a certain number of years to do this."

Do you think Tony Stewart believes that Toyota is the best car and offers the best motor?
Do you think Tony Stewart is wondering if he can win another championship in a Toyota?
Could Tony Stewart end up leaving JGR due to JGR trying to save a dime by having the Toyota engine program?
Is it a dime holding up a dollar, and possibly holding back a champion?

( quote and commentary from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyhmznG40_o )

Seriously.
Joe Gibbs is not only a sellout, but also a lunatic since he doesn't even believe what he said himself.


you have to remember that gibbs sr isnt running the race team, his kid joe jr is.

First and foremost racing is a buisness,I doubt Joe or JD Gibbs is loosing any sleep over what the population thinks about their switch to"the evil empire" the leaders of JGR like any other buisness must look out for the bottom line.The quote from 2003 stands up for the switch to Toyota they feel they will have great motors, they have great crew cheifs and their cars performance is great...I dont understand what they mean buy saving money with Toyotas engine program they have built chevrolet engines for years.. TRD does MWR and Red Bull Davis does their own nows their Gibbs big deal.. A racer such as Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch wouldnt care what type of car he drove as long as they could win,its not about having fun or making everyone happy its about winning plain and simple, I know this from a personal standpoint.

Second NASCAR will never suffer the fragmentation that Champ car or IRL suffered the more manufactures that play the better the sport will be...

Third the Toyota motor is a very nice peice.. its atleast 60 pounds lighter than any other MFG's and 60 pounds of nose weight is a huge advantage HP is not a problem TRD isnt pushing anything as hard as they can..They will get all the help from NASCAR they can and you'll have happen in Cup whats currently happening in the truck series.. TRD powered trucks are anywhere from 30 to 40 better at the wheels than anyone.. this includes Roush Yates JGR DEI and RCR... Toyota has struggled to say the very least this season.... however with the COT and more quality drivers entering the stable I look for all three Gibbs cars to be in the chase next year.. and Dale Jr will once again be out in the cold...

First and foremost racing is a buisness,I doubt Joe or JD Gibbs is loosing any sleep over what the population thinks about their switch to"the evil empire" the leaders of JGR like any other buisness must look out for the bottom line.The quote from 2003 stands up for the switch to Toyota they feel they will have great motors, they have great crew cheifs and their cars performance is great...I dont understand what they mean buy saving money with Toyotas engine program they have built chevrolet engines for years.. TRD does MWR and Red Bull Davis does their own nows their Gibbs big deal.. A racer such as Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch wouldnt care what type of car he drove as long as they could win,its not about having fun or making everyone happy its about winning plain and simple, I know this from a personal standpoint.

Second NASCAR will never suffer the fragmentation that Champ car or IRL suffered the more manufactures that play the better the sport will be...

Third the Toyota motor is a very nice peice.. its atleast 60 pounds lighter than any other MFG's and 60 pounds of nose weight is a huge advantage HP is not a problem TRD isnt pushing anything as hard as they can..They will get all the help from NASCAR they can and you'll have happen in Cup whats currently happening in the truck series.. TRD powered trucks are anywhere from 30 to 40 better at the wheels than anyone.. this includes Roush Yates JGR DEI and RCR... Toyota has struggled to say the very least this season.... however with the COT and more quality drivers entering the stable I look for all three Gibbs cars to be in the chase next year.. and Dale Jr will once again be out in the cold...
toyotas record is public knowledge and this will just be added to the list of ruined racing organizations they screwed up. its happened MANY times before and will happen again. toyota wont be happy til a mojority of the series is one big toyota commercial.

Yeah and the moment i watch nascar and see Toyota bullshit everywhere, thats the last time i watch it.
-Joel

I didn't realize that Gibbs was such a sellout.I always thought of him as a man of principle and loyalty.I guess everyone has their price.

toyotas record is public knowledge and this will just be added to the list of ruined racing organizations they screwed up. its happened MANY times before and will happen again. toyota wont be happy til a mojority of the series is one big toyota commercial.
Your getting "ruined" and raising the level of competition blured... the manufactures play a smaller role is NASCAR than any other major motorsport.. the teams get some if any engineering support the teams have their own engineering own test facilities.. shakers wind tunnels and soon to be test track..The teams get engine blocks, and heads.. biggest thing is money money money.. I would think that GM Ford and Dodge would be happy if the series was also a commerical with their brand.....

I heard GM was furious that Gibbs racing had some engine schematics and data it was going to share with toyota.

So there you have it toyota needs to copy GM so it can have a competitive motor......how lame is that.

I heard GM was furious that Gibbs racing had some engine schematics and data it was going to share with toyota.

So there you have it toyota needs to copy GM so it can have a competitive motor......how lame is that.

Yeah, the TOY boys also copied parts off of the Dodge block as well. So there we have it. Once again, Toyota has to steal and copy everyone elses work to make something competitive.

I heard GM was furious that Gibbs racing had some engine schematics and data it was going to share with toyota.

So there you have it toyota needs to copy GM so it can have a competitive motor......how lame is that.

Nascar has come a long way. Many manufactures have come and gone in the Sport. Hudson, Olds, Pontiac, Buick, Plymouth come to mind. NONE of the cars raced today are offered by any manufacturer to the public in the form they race :cool: This is a business kids, money makes it happen. How many races have any of you posting here attended this season? Are you members of anyones fan club?

I don't think you guys follow NASCAR any more then you follow NHRA. For Christ Sakes racers, John Force didn't QUALIFY at the US NATIONALS. That's news! So, in a couple of years when Stewarts contract expires he can go to Hendrick too.

Your getting "ruined" and raising the level of competition blured...

Like they "raised the level of competition" in IMSA GT??!!? :rotflmao:


biggest thing is money money money..

And who, exactly, has more of that than ALL of the other manufacturers put together??!! Don't give me that, "But NASCAR (by their "rules") limits the amount they can spend and the effects it has on their program", we ALL know that is the BIGGEST pile of :bs: EVER stated!!!

I know you work for them (TOY), and therefore MUST remain loyal/devoted to and defend them (did they make you take a blood oath during the daruma ceremony? :jest: ), but that does not mean the rest of us have to do the same. :nono:

I don't blame Gibbs for switching.Give me 125 million to race with for the next 5 years and I'll drive a yota too...........:D


I don't buy Japanese cars but I think Toyota will have great success in the Cup series.

:gay: Maybe GM, Ford, and Chrysler ought just pull out of NASCAR, clearly it hasn't done anything for their sales over the last 50 years, NASCAR will fail, and the hillbilly drivers will join former UAW employees in the unemployment line. Might just be good for America. :usa:

I know you work for them (TOY), and therefore MUST remain loyal/devoted to and defend them (did they make you take a blood oath during the daruma ceremony? :jest: ), but that does not mean the rest of us have to do the same. :nono:[/QUOTE]

I currently work for a Chevrolet team, I have been a GM supporter my entire life I drive GM vehicles... I worked for a Toyota team because the money was good at the time...Im not saying Toyota owns all I just think you cant blame Gibbs for switching,I try to take a more indepth perspective on these things...If you take a look at the new Chevrolet R07 engine you see that there is ideas from all other manufactures incorparated.. Dodge did the same thing with the R5/P7 IN 2001 so Toyota wasnt the first and wont be the last.

:gay: Maybe GM, Ford, and Chrysler ought just pull out of NASCAR, clearly it hasn't done anything for their sales over the last 50 years, NASCAR will fail, and the hillbilly drivers will join former UAW employees in the unemployment line. Might just be good for America. :usa:

That would not be so bad IF the Nippon "big three" stayed in it and continued to waste $$$$ for NO gains!!! Yes, sadly enough, I know they have trillion$ of $$$$$$ from Camry/Accord/Corolla/Civic profits (from the sheeple) to waste. :(

BTW; NOT ALL of the NASCAR drivers are "hillbillies". SOME might even be better educated than you. I know there are a few with engineering degrees. Also, believe it or not, some actually CAN turn left AND right (while braking and shifting even!! :eek: ), and do so every chance they get on road courses (and sometimes even RALLY stages).

I'm a big tony fan, ever since 99. The reason I pulled for him was he drove a Pontiac and was beating up on Chevys and Fords. I was more upset when i heard that Gibbs was switching to chevy rather than the news today. I think the Gibbs Toyota's are going to be competitive and if NASCAR and Tony loss fans because of a manufacturer switch then they were not fans in the first place. And no I dont like imports, but i can live with it.

Nascar has come a long way. Many manufactures have come and gone in the Sport. Hudson, Olds, Pontiac, Buick, Plymouth come to mind. NONE of the cars raced today are offered by any manufacturer to the public in the form they race :cool: This is a business kids, money makes it happen. How many races have any of you posting here attended this season? Are you members of anyones fan club?

I don't think you guys follow NASCAR any more then you follow NHRA. For Christ Sakes racers, John Force didn't QUALIFY at the US NATIONALS. That's news! So, in a couple of years when Stewarts contract expires he can go to Hendrick too.

My favorite driver is Juan Pablo Montoya and I have been following his career for a while thats what got me more intrested in nascar this year........I know this is a buisness but NASCAR is heavily rooted in tradition...........the tradition of american based pushrod v-8's ,but i guess economics is more important nowadays.Hell hendrick should drop Mears, pick up Tony and make NASCARS first "super team" !!!! :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz3pDyGCruk

.If you take a look at the new Chevrolet R07 engine you see that there is ideas from all other manufactures incorparated.. Dodge did the same thing with the R5/P7 IN 2001 so Toyota wasnt the first and wont be the last.

I thought the RO7 was based alot off the lsx engine and took alot of its development ques from the le mans winning c6r and the sb2?

Your getting "ruined" and raising the level of competition blured... the manufactures play a smaller role is NASCAR than any other major motorsport.. the teams get some if any engineering support the teams have their own engineering own test facilities.. shakers wind tunnels and soon to be test track..The teams get engine blocks, and heads.. biggest thing is money money money.. I would think that GM Ford and Dodge would be happy if the series was also a commerical with their brand.....
thing is, gm, ford, and dodge dont have that rep. sure business wise, they probably would but, toyota has proved itslef to be a plague to motorsports. hell id rather see nissan in nascar than toyota.

you wont be saying that when nextel cup is like cart and irl
I would love to see some of those NASCAR drivers drive 200+ MPH with no fenders to where they can't knock the other drivers out of the way. They would be scared to death. I fuckin hate NASCAR. Open wheel all the way.

I'm a big tony fan, ever since 99. The reason I pulled for him was he drove a Pontiac and was beating up on Chevys and Fords. I was more upset when i heard that Gibbs was switching to chevy rather than the news today. I think the Gibbs Toyota's are going to be competitive and if NASCAR and Tony loss fans because of a manufacturer switch then they were not fans in the first place. And no I dont like imports, but i can live with it.
Gibbs didnt switch to Chevy really. GM cancelled the Pontiac brand support from Nascar, and Gibbs just stayed with GM.

First and foremost racing is a buisness,I doubt Joe or JD Gibbs is loosing any sleep over what the population thinks about their switch to"the evil empire" the leaders of JGR like any other buisness must look out for the bottom line.The quote from 2003 stands up for the switch to Toyota they feel they will have great motors, they have great crew cheifs and their cars performance is great...I dont understand what they mean buy saving money with Toyotas engine program they have built chevrolet engines for years.. TRD does MWR and Red Bull Davis does their own nows their Gibbs big deal.. A racer such as Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch wouldnt care what type of car he drove as long as they could win,its not about having fun or making everyone happy its about winning plain and simple, I know this from a personal standpoint.

Second NASCAR will never suffer the fragmentation that Champ car or IRL suffered the more manufactures that play the better the sport will be...

Third the Toyota motor is a very nice peice.. its atleast 60 pounds lighter than any other MFG's and 60 pounds of nose weight is a huge advantage HP is not a problem TRD isnt pushing anything as hard as they can..They will get all the help from NASCAR they can and you'll have happen in Cup whats currently happening in the truck series.. TRD powered trucks are anywhere from 30 to 40 better at the wheels than anyone.. this includes Roush Yates JGR DEI and RCR... Toyota has struggled to say the very least this season.... however with the COT and more quality drivers entering the stable I look for all three Gibbs cars to be in the chase next year.. and Dale Jr will once again be out in the cold...



Well said. I guess Im going to have to watch Nascar now :cool: