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08-31-2007, 12:48 PM
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GM Reveals Small-Block V-8 with Direct Injection - wardsauto.com
By Mike Sutton
Aug. 29, 2007
MILFORD, MI – Although General Motors Corp. is dividing its resources to cover all fronts of advanced powertrain development, the future of the auto maker’s foundation OHV small-block V-8 architecture appears secure with the advent of direct-injection gasoline (DIG) technology.

Among the various exhibits of engineering bravado on display at the auto maker’s proving grounds here, including two-mode hybrid-electric drivetrains, ultra-clean turbodiesels and homogeneous charge compression ignition flex-fuel engines, a seemingly untouched Cadillac Escalade stands out.

Emblazoned with giant E85 banners down its flanks, there is little to indicate the industry’s first OHV V-8 with DIG fueling lurks beneath the SUV’s pearl white hood.

The experimental engine is based on GM’s current all-aluminum Gen IV 6.2L V-8 (L92) found in the Escalade, GMC Yukon Denali and Hummer H2. Depending on the application, the powerplant, which sports port fuel injection, variable valve timing (VVT) and dual-cam phasing, is rated between 380-403 hp in stock form.

However, with a little tweaking to accommodate the auto industry’s latest fuel-injection hardware, the prototype V-8 is producing “well north of 450 hp (on gasoline),” says Dave Sczomak, development engineer-GM Powertrain Advanced Engineering.
Running the engine on E85 ethanol allows for even more power to be coaxed from the big V-8, he adds, noting the 85%/15% ethanol/gasoline mix generally carries a race fuel-like 106 octane rating.

Cruising the web of test roads onsite, the Escalade motors along smoothly with a characteristic large-displacement V-8 burble. However, mashing the gas from a standstill produces a wave of power that propels the big truck at a noticeably more rapid pace than the production version.

Along with the substantial increase in horsepower, DIG also contributes to about a 10% increase in low-end torque, Sczomak says. In addition, fuel economy is moderately improved (3-6%), as are cold-start emissions of hydrocarbons.

To accommodate the DIG fueling system, GM redesigned the L92 cylinder heads, rearranging the intake ports to make room for the eight high-pressure injectors that squirt fuel directly into the side of the combustion chamber at 2,250 psi (155 bar).
New dished pistons – similar to a diesel’s – were installed for added clearance of the injectors. They also contribute to a greater compression ratio (11.5:1 vs. 10.5:1), which can be employed because of the high-octane composition of E85 and the knock-reducing cooling effect of introducing fuel directly into the cylinder.

A modified engine controller manages the engine’s operation, while VVT and Active Fuel Management cylinder deactivation contribute to efficiency and refinement.

The development sounds like a no-brainer for improving nearly every aspect of the near-60-year-old small block’s performance.
However, Tom Stephens, group vice president-GM Powertrain and Quality, notes introducing a production DIG small block would “require the next-generation architecture” of the engine, or Gen V.

This primarily is due to the huge volumes of V-8 engines GM produces, Sczomak says, noting a radical change in cylinder-head design, for example, becomes a monumental undertaking when taking into account GM’s annual build of more than 1 million small block V-8s.

Fortunately, timing is on the auto maker’s side. The recent introduction of the ’08 Corvette’s 430-hp LS3 V-8, along with the release later this year of the ’08 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid’s 6.0L V-8, represent the last editions of the Gen IV engine family, Stephens says.

All subsequent introductions will be of the Gen V architecture and could have DIG fueling integrated from the ground up, especially considering the refinement of the current test engine’s operation. The greater specific output provided by DIG also would allow for greater engine downsizing, thereby improving fuel economy even further.

“GM would want to introduce this (DIG) on a high-profile vehicle, such as the new (Chevrolet) Camaro or (rear-wheel-drive) Impala,” Global Insight analyst John Wolkonowicz says, referring to the auto maker’s plans for new volume models based on its global RWD platform developed by GM Holden Ltd. in Australia.

The new Camaro, which originally was shown at the 2005 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, is expected to appear later next year as an ’09 model, with the all-new RWD Impala taking form sometime early in the next decade. Revisions for future generations of the Corvette and Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra pickups are expected in the same timeframe, Wolkonowicz says.

By capitalizing on areas of significant improvement that remain untapped in its core engine lineup, while simultaneously amping up the arrival of its new hybrid-electric vehicles, clean diesels and hydrogen fuel cells, GM clearly is betting on an ever-fracturing market for advanced powertrains.

As a result, the iconic grumble of the small-block V-8 appears poised to remain a fixture of the automotive landscape for the foreseeable future.


mzoomora
08-31-2007, 01:23 PM
If they are getting the L92's to "well north of 450" then it would stand to reason that a LS3 should get close to 500!
In a base model Corvette!

Mystic 98 TA
08-31-2007, 06:41 PM
It'll be interesting to see where this goes, since we're inching closer to 2008... its already September... I hope it means very good things for the Camaro and Corvette. Wow, Gen V huh? Means that Ford's rumored FI 5.0 might be too little, too late.


2002_Z28_Six_Speed
08-31-2007, 08:45 PM
DI for gas engine is long overdue. This should give GM an advantage if they can implement this over all their platforms.

WECIV
09-01-2007, 12:23 AM
dished pistons...can someone explain this for me?

This is very exciting!!! I want DI or a turbo-diesel in the new Maro!!!

W

djsanchez2
09-01-2007, 12:39 AM
Looks kinda like dog bowl. It's got a freaking dish in the top for clearance. A concaved portion the is recessed for the sides of the piston.

I don't know if i like the idea of it being in the Camaro. Little to NO tuning has been achieved thus far on any DI engine. Mainly because of the ECU being un-hackable or too complicated. If someone stepped up and made a tuning prog. for it i'd be all over it. Til then i don't like the idea.
I can make much more power w/ the availabe engines, namely the LS3.

1bdbrd
09-01-2007, 03:40 AM
Looks kinda like dog bowl. It's got a freaking dish in the top for clearance. A concaved portion the is recessed for the sides of the piston.

I don't know if i like the idea of it being in the Camaro. Little to NO tuning has been achieved thus far on any DI engine. Mainly because of the ECU being un-hackable or too complicated. If someone stepped up and made a tuning prog. for it i'd be all over it. Til then i don't like the idea.
I can make much more power w/ the availabe engines, namely the LS3.

The owners of Mazdaspeed 3's and Mazdaspeed 6's are having good luck with tuning last I heard. The 3 can pick up close to 50-60hp from tuning alone.

I am SO glad that automakers are finally introducing E85 powered cars on a mass scale. Its something that has been long overdue IMO.

Checkmate
09-01-2007, 12:04 PM
Glad to see GM is leading the pack on powertrain development. :devil:

djsanchez2
09-01-2007, 08:26 PM
The owners of Mazdaspeed 3's and Mazdaspeed 6's are having good luck with tuning last I heard. The 3 can pick up close to 50-60hp from tuning alone.

That's news to me. Then i'm all for it, bring it on!!
When did they break into the ECU? I've heard the Mazda's have been untuneable thus far. I've also heard that the BMW 335 guys couldn't do anything BIG, with those because of the computer AND the turbo being part of the manifold.

Mystic 98 TA
09-01-2007, 08:42 PM
^^^ The 335's I knew about, I didnt know about the Mazdas either. Good news, since when the time comes, my econo-box will be a MazdaSpeed3.

The 335s were tapped into around the beginning of this year. VISHNU (the tuner, and no, thats not his real name :) ), is a customer at the Starbucks I managed before I changed stores, he talked about getting over 400hp and 440+ tq out of the 335's!! This was when they first came out. The tuning he's doing also looks stock to the BMW techs whenever a problem arises, so no warranties are voided... Pretty neat stuff He's doing out here in Danville.

WECIV
09-02-2007, 12:37 AM
Thanks for the dope!!! I really like the way this sounds. Sounds like we could have a 5.0 litre screamer in the Z/28 one day. Imagine what a 7.0 could do :)

W

Anonymous
09-03-2007, 09:23 PM
Informative post, Thanks

~JOSHUA
09-04-2007, 09:11 PM
I'm glad to see it. (gen V) It's better than the current technology.

And also sad to see that the LS1 is starting to look like a dinosaur.

WECIV
09-04-2007, 10:56 PM
I am glad the LS1 is like a dinosaur!!!

W

B4CZR2
09-05-2007, 11:02 AM
Im gald too since my LT1 has looked like a dinosaur for 11 years now!

WECIV
09-05-2007, 11:07 AM
"Im gald too since my LT1 has looked like a dinosaur for 11 years now!"

Touche, I am just glad we are going to get DI in an engine. DI will make such a difference and make the Hemi and mod motors look incredibly antiquated.

W

Hydramatic
09-05-2007, 01:40 PM
I'm glad to see it. (gen V) It's better than the current technology.

And also sad to see that the LS1 is starting to look like a dinosaur.

Still looks pretty advanced to me! lol.

krayzie7th
09-07-2007, 05:25 PM
sorry for the dumb question but, how does Direct Injection work?

DONAIMIAN
09-07-2007, 09:25 PM
sorry for the dumb question but, how does Direct Injection work?
Fuel never flows through the manifold, its injected directly into the combustion chamber.

krayzie7th
09-07-2007, 09:27 PM
^^oh ok thanx for the answer.

2002_Z28_Six_Speed
09-07-2007, 09:49 PM
This also means a more precise amount of fuel is being injected.

Also, maybe there are less thermal issues and better atomization?

Maybe DI will use less fuel on start up.

WECIV
09-07-2007, 11:34 PM
All of the above.

W

Mystic 98 TA
09-08-2007, 12:53 AM
Cant wait to see what bolt-ons or FI will do!!!! muwah-hah!

WECIV
09-08-2007, 12:36 PM
Would it be easy to do a cam swap on a DI engine?

W

Cheatin' Chad
09-11-2007, 02:49 AM
I've been waiting for this!

sb427f-car
09-11-2007, 02:49 PM
This isn't new technology as diesels have been doing this for quite a while.

As far as the dish pistons, I doubt that they are quite like a diesel's which traditionally have very thick "quench" areas. I think what they are getting at is the fact that these DIG motors have much smaller traditional cumbustion chambers and build more combustion chamber area into the piston.

This is cool, and it's somthing they should have brought to market years ago.

Mystic 98 TA
09-11-2007, 11:28 PM
Just a random thought, do you think the GenV motors will be classified as "LS" series motors, or will they get a new branding? My first thought was "cool, another LSx". But i don't think the DIG components will be compatible with ANY LSx motor, will it?

jetlag
09-12-2007, 01:01 AM
Just a random thought, do you think the GenV motors will be classified as "LS" series motors, or will they get a new branding? My first thought was "cool, another LSx". But i don't think the DIG components will be compatible with ANY LSx motor, will it?


I assume it will be different.

Almost out of "LS" numbers.

germeezy1
09-12-2007, 01:50 AM
By the way the 335's are not direct injected.

B4CZR2
09-12-2007, 08:50 AM
Maybe they will call the LX, or LZ, or Lsomethings atleast. They have about 23 letters or less left to choose from if they are sticking with L for the first letter. So who knows maybe they will dig up some old designation to revive...

czar01
09-12-2007, 10:24 AM
That shit is dope man, good to here, very cool!

WECIV
09-12-2007, 04:47 PM
I am thinking LR1...T is the 20th letter...S is the 19th...R is the 18th...

W

WECIV
09-12-2007, 04:48 PM
If they do LX1 it looks gay when something new comes out.

W

WECIV
09-12-2007, 04:49 PM
Or keep the LS series until they are made of Titanium then go LR1 :) You still have

LS5, LS9, and LS8

W

WECIV
09-13-2007, 04:26 AM
Do DI engines still have throttle bodies or something different? Thanks!!!

W

germeezy1
09-13-2007, 11:59 AM
Yes infinitely variable valve timing and lift such as BMW's Valvetronic allows them to run with no throttle body or throttle plate.

But thats got nothing to do with DI.

WECIV
09-13-2007, 12:08 PM
That was not the question...do DI engines lack a TB?

W

2002_Z28_Six_Speed
09-13-2007, 01:37 PM
I am wondering: if you have more freedom because you don't have to allow for the placement/angle of the injector in the intake AND you can flow more through the intake because it no longer has to share space with fuel --- Yes. Sounds good to me.

germeezy1
09-13-2007, 08:14 PM
They do have a throttle body

And the benefit of DI is you can run higher CR and cylinder pressure and temp because of the cooling effect of the fuel being directly injected. So you can run higher compression on worse fuel than you normally would be able to.

toneloc12345
09-20-2007, 06:22 PM
DI engines are just like regular engines (for the most part) except the fuel injector goes directly into the combustion chamber. It's a lot more efficient, more power, less emmisions.

I'm waiting for them to come out with solenoid sp? actuated valves..

WECIV
09-21-2007, 12:30 AM
"solenoid sp? actuated valves"

Is that an electronic valve? If so sweet!!! Good buy camshafts!!!

W

germeezy1
09-21-2007, 10:59 AM
Mercedes and Lotus have been working on the technology for some time.

Klortho
09-26-2007, 01:01 PM
They do have a throttle body

And the benefit of DI is you can run higher CR and cylinder pressure and temp because of the cooling effect of the fuel being directly injected. So you can run higher compression on worse fuel than you normally would be able to.

To achieve the 2,250psi it will have to go through an injection pump like a diesel which will control the amount of fuel going into the cylinder, thus the intake will be just a big air inlet and the motor pulls the air in when more throttle is applied.

At least this is the way the Powerstroke works, which is a DI engine,

xfactor_pitbulls
10-08-2007, 10:23 AM
To achieve the 2,250psi it will have to go through an injection pump like a diesel which will control the amount of fuel going into the cylinder, thus the intake will be just a big air inlet and the motor pulls the air in when more throttle is applied.

At least this is the way the Powerstroke works, which is a DI engine,

Basically all modern diesels run injector pumps and DI. One thing I notice no one bringing up, cost. I doubt the injectors will cost what they do in a diesel, but still expect $250-$300 a piece. Maxed out your stock injectors and wanna upgrade huh? How about a $2K+ swap. Food for thought. I would imagine for a long while the aftermarket will be very limited to accomodating the new platform. This does nothing to the LSX crowd except bring down prices for the cars and parts.