Automotive News, Media & Press - NASCAR is a joke

Taken from Jayski's site...

"Pony Cars Coming To Busch Series: NASCAR hopes to inject new life into its Busch Series by changing the types of cars raced, beginning as early as 2009, according to multiple sources familiar with the project. If plans go according to schedule, the next-generation Busch Series cars will be Chevy Camaros, Dodge Challengers, Ford Mustangs and an as-yet-to-be named Toyota model, sources said. Ford overhauled the Mustang as a 1960s-retro model in 2005, to positive critical and commercial results. Chevrolet and Dodge will release similarly retro-themed Camaros and Challengers, respectively, by the 2009 model year. The Mustang, Camaro and Challenger all are two-door coupes with rear-wheel drive and available V-8 engines, a hugely popular combination in the halcyon days of 1960s muscle cars. A switch to these cars - plus whichever model Toyota chooses to campaign - would make a huge amount of sense, as it would help the Busch Series have its own distinct identity apart from Nextel Cup and help remove the stigma of the series as "Cup Lite," as some call it now. Sources familiar with the project said NASCAR has discussed the idea of switching cars with the manufacturers and has received a positive reception for the idea.(SPEEDtv.com)(9-15-2007)"

Oh wow, they are going to change the headlight stickers so the no talent drivers can look better now! I can't wait till this fad dies.

I'm going to laugh when Toyota enters the New Supra in to race with the pony cars.

I have an idea.
Better yet, why don't they just give up the billions from the Nippon Giant, leave them out of it, and run stock unibody based cars on road courses. They could call it The Trans Am series, or something like that. :jest: :usa: :usa:

I would watch stock cars racing around a road course. I will not watch the gay shit they call nascar though.

W

Oh sweet! It's a the vinyl and sticker ricer phenomenon brought to the domestic level! Oh shit... that's what asscar is anyways...

*yawn* until asscar brings more interesting things to the table I won't care. I'll raise my eyebrow however for the left and RIGHT hand turns; but I'm saddened by the whole vinyl wrap tube frame clones extending to "pony cars" and a "unnamed toyota" to bring interest to the series (which I couldnt care a less about anyways)

i'm not gay but i think i'd rather finger my own asshole than watch nascar....honestly.

They can put a camaro sticker or any other sticker that they want on the front of the car. It won't make it any more interesting.

Well, I agree with everyone else:

Fuck Nascar
Fuck Toyota

NASCAR is ok. I can't watch it though. People only like NASCAR because you get the see the cars and drivers longer and you develop more interest in them. Compared to only seeing John Force for 5 seconds on the TV and then he isn't on again until the next race.

NASCAR of tommorow totally blows, though. They are making the cars slower and safer. They say it is for safety but I say it is to make the race last longer so they can sell you more crap and keep the audience longer. The cars look stupid as hell and they eat up over 150 more horses due to aerodynamics. They also fucked up drafting by changing up the bodies.

Lenght of the race makes more money for sure. How many people will travel long distances to see a short PS, funny, or TF race. The bracket is done and people are packed up before you can sit down at NASCAR. And not all people are interested in each class. Plus, they dont even show all the classes on TV. Unfair BS.

I have an idea.
Better yet, why don't they just give up the billions from the Nippon Giant, leave them out of it, and run stock unibody based cars on road courses. They could call it The Trans Am series, or something like that. :jest: :usa: :usa:

OMG. Don't start me on imports. GM and Ford will spend millions and millions on developing products. Imports are that bastard child on the family that steals your stuff when you are out of the room. They take a GM or Ford design, alter it and patent for a huge profit with no developmental cost. Nothing they have is orginal. Then they claim since they modified and stuck it in a crappy looking vehicle that Asian quality regiens supreme. That is how they operate BUT we stuck the knife in our hearts first. They just twisted it. I have personally known/worked with enough people of that --- umm area to realise how industry works.

OMG. Don't start me on imports. GM and Ford will spend millions and millions on developing products. Imports are that bastard child on the family that steals your stuff when you are out of the room. They take a GM or Ford design, alter it and patent for a huge profit with no developmental cost. Nothing they have is orginal. Then they claim since they modified and stuck it in a crappy looking vehicle that Asian quality regiens supreme. That is how they operate BUT we stuck the knife in our hearts first. They just twisted it. I have personally known/worked with enough people of that --- umm area to realise how industry works.

What in the hell are you talking about? What did they steal? That was probably the most unfounded, racist post I have ever seen on here. :mullet:

They look nothing like the real cars, and I'd rather smash all my fingernails with a hammer than watch a Nascar race.

Bracket racing or anything with a throttle stop has got to be the worst form of racing or any live filming of Pinks....

NASCAR is ok. I can't watch it though. People only like NASCAR because you get the see the cars and drivers longer and you develop more interest in them. Compared to only seeing John Force for 5 seconds on the TV and then he isn't on again until the next race.

NASCAR of tommorow totally blows, though. They are making the cars slower and safer. They say it is for safety but I say it is to make the race last longer so they can sell you more crap and keep the audience longer. The cars look stupid as hell and they eat up over 150 more horses due to aerodynamics. They also fucked up drafting by changing up the bodies.

Lenght of the race makes more money for sure. How many people will travel long distances to see a short PS, funny, or TF race. The bracket is done and people are packed up before you can sit down at NASCAR. And not all people are interested in each class. Plus, they dont even show all the classes on TV. Unfair BS.



OMG. Don't start me on imports. GM and Ford will spend millions and millions on developing products. Imports are that bastard child on the family that steals your stuff when you are out of the room. They take a GM or Ford design, alter it and patent for a huge profit with no developmental cost. Nothing they have is orginal. Then they claim since they modified and stuck it in a crappy looking vehicle that Asian quality regiens supreme. That is how they operate BUT we stuck the knife in our hearts first. They just twisted it. I have personally known/worked with enough people of that --- umm area to realise how industry works.

And the LS1 Architechture is almost identical to the 5.0 for designed in decades ago, hell even the coolant passage location and exhaust ports match up..... So whats your point? Every manufacturer buys the competitions motor and tries to apply the technology to their own designs.

Do you know that GM paid toyota to design the Ecotec motors for them?

'What in the hell are you talking about? What did they steal? That was probably the most unfounded, racist post I have ever seen on here."

Ignorant yes...but how was it racist, 1bdbird? Racism means you hate a race. I hardly think hating imports is the hatred of a whole race of ppl designed by God.

W

'What in the hell are you talking about? What did they steal? That was probably the most unfounded, racist post I have ever seen on here."

Ignorant yes...but how was it racist, 1bdbird? Racism means you hate a race. I hardly think hating imports is the hatred of a whole race of ppl designed by God.

W

This is what I try to explain (futilely) to all of the kneejerk, brainwashed, lemming/sheeple importfanboyzz who are trained to respond with the "racist card" when anyone dislikes their precious rides (for ANY reason).
I mean, how the F*** can one be "racist" towards an inanimate object?? I don't like granite, does that make me a racist?? :rotflmao:

At worst, you are a "nationalist" if you hate on another country's products, and prefer, or will only purchase from your own country's companies.

Sometimes, in an effort to appear more "intelligencia" than others, and in a desperate attempt to distance themselves from "mindless, dumbass, rednecked mulletheads" :eyes: some actually come off as MORE ignorant than those they are mocking/criticizing.

And the LS1 Architechture is almost identical to the 5.0 for designed in decades ago, hell even the coolant passage location and exhaust ports match up..... So whats your point? Every manufacturer buys the competitions motor and tries to apply the technology to their own designs.

Do you know that GM paid toyota to design the Ecotec motors for them?

GM big blocks also had similar exhaust spacing, big deal. Spread ports were also used on 18* GM race heads as well as many other applications.

Also, the Ecotec was designed by GM US engineers as well as Opel and Saab engineers- not Toyota.

GM big blocks also had similar exhaust spacing, big deal. Spread ports were also used on 18* GM race heads as well as many other applications.

Also, the Ecotec was designed by GM US engineers as well as Opel and Saab engineers- not Toyota.

:lol: Yeah, the TOYota worship :swing: on here is totally out of control!! They are NOT the "be all, end all" of everything automotive, people. :nono: :pissed:

NASCAR of tommorow totally blows, though. They are making the cars slower and safer. They say it is for safety but I say it is to make the race last longer so they can sell you more crap and keep the audience longer. The cars look stupid as hell and they eat up over 150 more horses due to aerodynamics. They also fucked up drafting by changing up the bodies.


Actually, they tested at Talledega last week and the speeds were the same. Even in the draft. http://www.jayski.com/stats/testing/testing2007talladega.htm

What in the hell are you talking about? What did they steal? That was probably the most unfounded, racist post I have ever seen on here. :mullet:

didn't they steal the Dodge block ? correct me if I am wrong

Actually, they tested at Talledega last week and the speeds were the same. Even in the draft. http://www.jayski.com/stats/testing/testing2007talladega.htm

I can't say NASCAR is a joke. I don't like the cars of Tommorow, though. Here are some facts from one of the articles I read. Thank you for the link.

Reference Automotive Engineering May 2007 Vol 115 N 5

"The car of tommorow rear wing has a much shorter low pressure wake."

The car of tommorow relies on the body panels to produce downforce...

The reliance on the front splitter and body panels has lead some to believe the cars will be less stable after a wreck compared to the older cars.

Additional drag from the larger roof would absorb 150 hp at the top speed if matched with the spoiler.

This bigger cabin increases the frontal area raising drag and, in theory, slowing the car.

I feel like the whole damn car is a rolling commerical for Impaxx foam. Sure you aren't in the Auto industry so it doesn't make sense to you. But, I read about this stuff all the time and I know what products are trying to be pushed onto the OEMs. :(

What in the hell are you talking about? What did they steal? That was probably the most unfounded, racist post I have ever seen on here. :mullet:

HAHAHAHAAHA. How many Asian people have you lived/worked with in the last ten years? I bet about 20 less than me.

I am in industry and from conversing with friends in the automotive, electronics, electrical motors, aerospace, you name it. Many products are copied word for word. Go to Wikipedia and look up what a HONEY POT is. Your education has taught you to be too politically correct and it is messing with your ability to defend your country's rights. When someone takes something and completely copies it down to the intentionally placed errors, I would say that is theft.

Go look up the recent Iphone copies. The abundance of IC thefts and copies. Want an older example? How about the HUGE Kubota tractor scandal. I realise that is a little different situation but still it proves that there is no limits on what these people will steal.

I think you can be an elitist when it comes to trading if the country in question is bending you over. :usa:

I am sorry. Asia is the knock off capital of the world and if you don't believe it then you need to take a vacation.

I hate nascar with a passion

LOL dodge

I watched the begining of the season because of Juan Pablo Montoya, dont really watch it anymore. But I do love hearing a NA v-8 that makes a shitload of power and redlines at over 9000rpm that can run hard for that long.

But I do love hearing a NA v-8 that makes a shitload of power and redlines at over 9000rpm that can run hard for that long.

agreed! :judge:

LOL dodge

dodge has only one win less than ford in the nextel cup, needless to say that Chevy is murdering them both but I think the LOL goes to Toyota-- 0 wins and lets just say they are little behind in points

This is what I try to explain (futilely) to all of the kneejerk, brainwashed, lemming/sheeple importfanboyzz who are trained to respond with the "racist card" when anyone dislikes their precious rides (for ANY reason).
I mean, how the F*** can one be "racist" towards an inanimate object?? I don't like granite, does that make me a racist?? :rotflmao:

At worst, you are a "nationalist" if you hate on another country's products, and prefer, or will only purchase from your own country's companies.

Sometimes, in an effort to appear more "intelligencia" than others, and in a desperate attempt to distance themselves from "mindless, dumbass, rednecked mulletheads" :eyes: some actually come off as MORE ignorant than those they are mocking/criticizing.

I take it you can't read to save your life. Note the TWO domestics currently occupying my signature; those go hand-in-hand with my previous four domestics. To this day I have not owner an import, so I am hard pressed to understand how I am an "importfanboyzz"?

What was racist about it? It wasn't that he was saying negative things about imports. It was him grouping every person in that area of the world together based on some stupid stereotype. As far as I understand, that is a bit racist. Which says a lot coming from someone who has the historical background my family does.

Notice all the real car guys hate nascar, and people who dont know any better likt it?


Give me F1 and rally

I take it you can't read to save your life. Note the TWO domestics currently occupying my signature; those go hand-in-hand with my previous four domestics. To this day I have not owner an import, so I am hard pressed to understand how I am an "importfanboyzz"?

What was racist about it? It wasn't that he was saying negative things about imports. It was him grouping every person in that area of the world together based on some stupid stereotype. As far as I understand, that is a bit racist. Which says a lot coming from someone who has the historical background my family does.

My post was not necessarily directed at you in particular. And yes, if someone is directing slurs/derogatory remarks/etc. towards a whole group of people of a single race, then that IS most definitely racist.

I'm just sick and tired of all the little import ONLY fanboys calling me a mulleted (until I was on car forums, I did not even know what a "mullet" was!), dumbass, rednecked, racist for not loving (and refusing to buy) their import nameplates/"JDM" shit/etc. Especially not when I live 20 miles outside of Manhattan, NYC and I'm going out with a native (although an AMERICAN citizen now) mainland Chinese girl. I've actually had some douchebags on other sites (bobistheoilguy.com), still say that I'm a racist towards Nipponese people specifically, because I refuse to buy their cars for economic/trade disparity reasons. If that is not a "kneejerk/brainwashed" response, then I don't know what is!! :rolleyes: :rotflmao: Last time I checked, most of the people living in the land of the rising sun were considered part of the general Asian race, no??

BTW; one can still be an import fanboy while owning domestics (NOT saying you are). Just look at all of the ones on here who would trade a perfect, fast, reliable f body/y body for a 15 year old beat up MKIV TT "in a heartbeat" if they had the chance. :nono:

Notice all the real car guys hate nascar, and people who dont know any better likt it?


Give me F1 and rally

How is that a legitamite statement? How is it that only "true" car guys like a sport that produces a car that can go almost 250 mph when properly tuner? And how is F1 a better series? Any time I watch an F1 race usaually first one to the first turn wins. Not always, but a good mjority. Yes, F1 is the more technolgically advanced series, but I find it more boring. Call me a redneck retard if you want, but NASCAR is a southern bred sport. The majority of peple who have a problem with it are usually not from the south. Give NASCAR the $100+ million dollar budget Ferrari has and see what they can do with it.

Now rally is totally different. The car control those guys have is some of the best in the world. Throwing a car around like that at over 100mph on dirt, gravel, and every other imaginable pavement is awesome.

Don't go punishing the many for the actions of the few when it comes to NASCAR. A good amount of poeple don't know alot about cars watch NASCAR, but a damn large majority do.

What was racist about it? It wasn't that he was saying negative things about imports. It was him grouping every person in that area of the world together based on some stupid stereotype. As far as I understand, that is a bit racist. Which says a lot coming from someone who has the historical background my family does.
I am not Ariain Nordic white anglo causian orgins whatever the term of the day is. Racist? I don't know about that. The mullet icon pisses me off when my opinions of that industry are based on facts and stolen IP/products. Flip on the news. You don't have to hate people. You can hate what they do. Why does everyone pull the racist card when you don't argee with theft, market statergies, or something wrong? If anything the people who I decended from where being stamped into the ground continously and Anglos are the racists.

I am not a fan of NASCAR. I can't see how people say there is no stratergy involved. That is an absurd statement. Further, if you look it seems as though more NASCAR drivers are "real" people who started on dirt track or some other lowly style of racing. I can't say its my style, however, there is great talent involved in when to pit, when to pass, how the car is set-up, how aggressive to drive, and who is in your pit. This turn left philosophy doesn't paint a realistic picture for me.

My post was not necessarily directed at you in particular. And yes, if someone is directing slurs/derogatory remarks/etc. towards a whole group of people of a single race, then that IS most definitely racist.

I'm just sick and tired of all the little import ONLY fanboys calling me a mulleted (until I was on car forums, I did not even know what a "mullet" was!), dumbass, rednecked, racist for not loving (and refusing to buy) their import nameplates/"JDM" shit/etc. Especially not when I live 20 miles outside of Manhattan, NYC and I'm going out with a native (although an AMERICAN citizen now) mainland Chinese girl. I've actually had some douchebags on other sites (bobistheoilguy.com), still say that I'm a racist towards Nipponese people specifically, because I refuse to buy their cars for economic/trade disparity reasons. If that is not a "kneejerk/brainwashed" response, then I don't know what is!! :rolleyes: :rotflmao: Last time I checked, most of the people living in the land of the rising sun were considered part of the general Asian race, no??

BTW; one can still be an import fanboy while owning domestics (NOT saying you are). Just look at all of the ones on here who would trade a perfect, fast, reliable f body/y body for a 15 year old beat up MKIV TT "in a heartbeat" if they had the chance. :nono:

That's not a very legitimate argument though. In 10 years an MKIV will STILL be worth more than any 82+ fbody ever made, including the stickered up "special edition" models (ala SS, WS6, Firehawks, ect). Owning an MKIV isn't the same as owning an fbody but that isn't the argument here..

Anyway, I don't personally care what cars you like and don't like or respect and don't respect. What I find stupid is people that don't have any basis for their feelings other than "its an import.." That's a very uneducated statement thats only around because the internet continues to push it.

I used to love Nascar, I never watch it anymore though. I hate the chase for the cup b.s., all the toyota shit, its all about money now.

i used to to love nascar too. but today big money runs the sport.about a year ago sterling marlin was released from the 40 car. reason. old people don,t drink beer. well i,m old, and i drink beer, sometimes lots of beer.but it won,t be coors . never. :chug:

Money is what makes all sports go round. Ask the residents of Rockingham, NC what a whole bunch of money can do for you or should I say do for California. I used to love going to Rockingham to watch Nascar now I just go to the dragstrip across the street.
Toyota is years behind in Nascar, by the time they catch up the COT will be the Car of Yesterday. I like the idea of bringing in stangs and Camaros etc into the Busch races, hopefully eventually they will make there way into Nascar as well. Just my opinion!

I have been a NASCAR fan since 1981, and I agree with everything that has been said above. I will not go to another race . I will give my money to the local short/dirt tracks and watch some great racing. Go see a Super Late Model race or a 410 sprint car race and you will see what I mean. If you watched the Nascar guys race late models at Eldora Speedway, that was entertaining.

I have been a NASCAR fan since 1981, and I agree with everything that has been said above. I will not go to another race . I will give my money to the local short/dirt tracks and watch some great racing. Go see a Super Late Model race or a 410 sprint car race and you will see what I mean. If you watched the Nascar guys race late models at Eldora Speedway, that was entertaining.
Exactly!!! local short tracks or some of the NASCAR touring divisions or sprint car series provide the BEST racing

That's not a very legitimate argument though. In 10 years an MKIV will STILL be worth more than any 82+ fbody ever made, including the stickered up "special edition" models (ala SS, WS6, Firehawks, ect)

How is it not "legitimate"?? The value (percieved OR otherwise) has NOTHING to do with it!!!! It IS an import (not even a transplant, so the importees cannot use that f'ed up arguement), and there are those who faithfully worship it, hence; import fanboys.

Hopefully, in 10 years they (MKIV TTs) will ALL be gone (crashed, crunched, destroyed or blown up), so we will not be having this arguement at that time.
Just some fanboyzz lamenting their non-existence. -->:cry:. :jest:

That's not a very legitimate argument though. In 10 years an MKIV will STILL be worth more than any 82+ fbody ever made, including the stickered up "special edition" models (ala SS, WS6, Firehawks, ect). Owning an MKIV isn't the same as owning an fbody but that isn't the argument here..

Anyway, I don't personally care what cars you like and don't like or respect and don't respect. What I find stupid is people that don't have any basis for their feelings other than "its an import.." That's a very uneducated statement thats only around because the internet continues to push it.
He did mention economic/trade desparity as a very valid reason. Manipulating currency and other VERY unethical business practices are very good reasons to not buy Japanese made products

Also, I would hope that MkIV's would cost more, they were a $40k car compared to a 98 Z28 that could be had for just over $20k. They were never competition for each other. It is a valid argument that they retain their value better though, but they are also much harder to find which helps keep the value up.

None of this matters anyway since it is all :offtopic:

NASCAR is fine....cars could be better..although they are 850+HP monsters...as far as the challenge..sure would like to see any Drag Racer even FINISH a race...haha..no way...3-4 hours in 130+ heat...very punishing if you guys would actually be sensible and think about it....these guys are some of the best drivers in the world..my wife and I have been to a couple and never miss or [record] a NASCAR RACE...This weekend is DOVER,DELAWARE....great track also..they call it 'Big Bristol' or something like that...we watch ALL Racing...we are RACING FANS....seems like alot of people on this board are REALLY, NOT into Racing..

NASCAR is fine....cars could be better..although they are 850+HP monsters...as far as the challenge..sure would like to see any Drag Racer even FINISH a race...haha..no way...3-4 hours in 130+ heat...very punishing if you guys would actually be sensible and think about it....these guys are some of the best drivers in the world..my wife and I have been to a couple and never miss or [record] a NASCAR RACE...This weekend is DOVER,DELAWARE....great track also..they call it 'Big Bristol' or something like that...we watch ALL Racing...we are RACING FANS....seems like alot of people on this board are REALLY, NOT into Racing..

they are great drivers and its annoying to hear people say that its talentless... I know this is a whole other argument but hopefully a TRUE RACING fan can answer this, what racing has the most talented drivers... NASCAR or F1? you always see people switching, like Montoya and I was just curious sorry about this being :offtopic:

I think NASCAR drivers are athlete's. It's just the rules and all the politics involved make if like wwe or whatever the wrestling is called these days..Drivers are like puppets, can't say "shit" and they are fined & put on probation. remember when Tony Stewart blasted NASCAR about the "ghost" caution flags? I knew that he would do a complete 360 in his analysis when NASCAR reemed his asshole.

they are great drivers and its annoying to hear people say that its talentless... I know this is a whole other argument but hopefully a TRUE RACING fan can answer this, what racing has the most talented drivers... NASCAR or F1? you always see people switching, like Montoya and I was just curious sorry about this being :offtopic:
I believe the HARDEST MOTORSPORT on Earth is Nascar Cup Racing...endurance is a large portion of it, along with side to side racing around banked corners at 180 MPH...... :cool: DRAG RACING is hard, and they are talented...but put a CUP driver in a Dragster and after a few tries[if they don't kill themselves] they WILL get a DECENT time/mph..........put John Force in a cup car and he would be lucky to make it 50 laps at PHOENIX RACEWAY....which has to be the worst/boring/easiest track on the circuit... :engarde:

I believe the HARDEST MOTORSPORT on Earth is Nascar Cup Racing...endurance is a large portion of it, along with side to side racing around banked corners at 180 MPH...... :cool: DRAG RACING is hard, and they are talented...but put a CUP driver in a Dragster and after a few tries[if they don't kill themselves] they WILL get a DECENT time/mph..........put John Force in a cup car and he would be lucky to make it 50 laps at PHOENIX RACEWAY....which has to be the worst/boring/easiest track on the circuit... :engarde:
Jeff Gordon (I am NOT a fan) got behind the wheel of an F1 car for the first time a few years ago and was turning pretty good times within a few laps, and I believe that was the first time Montoya tried a Cup car..

I believe the HARDEST MOTORSPORT on Earth is Nascar Cup Racing...endurance is a large portion of it, along with side to side racing around banked corners at 180 MPH...... :cool: DRAG RACING is hard, and they are talented...but put a CUP driver in a Dragster and after a few tries[if they don't kill themselves] they WILL get a DECENT time/mph..........put John Force in a cup car and he would be lucky to make it 50 laps at PHOENIX RACEWAY....which has to be the worst/boring/easiest track on the circuit... :engarde:

I'd say NASCAR is the hardest motorsport on earth in terms of competition, but its not the most difficult form of auto racing. That will always be road coarse racing. The skills required to race on a road course is way tougher than oval racing or drag racing.

Jeff Gordon (I am NOT a fan) got behind the wheel of an F1 car for the first time a few years ago and was turning pretty good times within a few laps, and I believe that was the first time Montoya tried a Cup car..

Yes, that was the first time montoya got into a cup car. As well, Gordon was running lap times with in a second of montoyas within just a few laps.

I guess you guys forgot that Gordon was a badass kart racer before his oval career.

NASCAR=AIDs of the car world since there scene is so whored up

I believe the HARDEST MOTORSPORT on Earth is Nascar Cup Racing...endurance is a large portion of it, along with side to side racing around banked corners at 180 MPH...... :cool: DRAG RACING is hard, and they are talented...but put a CUP driver in a Dragster and after a few tries[if they don't kill themselves] they WILL get a DECENT time/mph..........put John Force in a cup car and he would be lucky to make it 50 laps at PHOENIX RACEWAY....which has to be the worst/boring/easiest track on the circuit... :engarde:


REALLLY? How can you compare a DRAG racer to a road racer? And now your doubting what a top feul driver can do? Lol



Then you know nothing about F1 at all, or RALLY


Are F1 driver not the most highest paid sports people in the world?

Notice all the real car guys hate nascar, and people who dont know any better likt it?


Give me F1 and rally


people like you cant enjoy nascar because all you can think about is how much slower they are and technicaly wonderfull other forms of racing are, and you dont enjoy it for what it is, which is RACING, not the cars fault, they could make the cars faster than F1 if they wanted to but they dont, they restrict them so more skill is involved and drivers will have to learn to drive through traffic and put on a show for the crowd.

I'd say NASCAR is the hardest motorsport on earth in terms of competition, but its not the most difficult form of auto racing. That will always be road coarse racing. The skills required to race on a road course is way tougher than oval racing or drag racing.


not really, a perfectly balanced car for turning left and right is much easier to control than one setup for left turns only, its really awkward, if you know how they setup the suspension on a oval car. the hardest part about road racing is remembering how to take all of the turns, not just 3, 4, or 5 big swooping turns, but it takes a bit more skill to get those big swooping turns perfectly down than quick left and right turns.

people like you cant enjoy nascar because all you can think about is how much slower they are and technicaly wonderfull other forms of racing are, and you dont enjoy it for what it is, which is RACING, not the cars fault, they could make the cars faster than F1 if they wanted to but they dont, they restrict them so more skill is involved and drivers will have to learn to drive through traffic and put on a show for the crowd.
I dont know about him, but I personally hate NASCAR because of the tracks. Its a big circle, and so repetitive that it makes it boring. If F1 cars or WRC cars were on the oval tracks it would be boring as well.
BTW it sounds like you think that F1 cars are not heavily restricted, which they very much are.

not really, a perfectly balanced car for turning left and right is much easier to control than one setup for left turns only, its really awkward, if you know how they setup the suspension on a oval car. the hardest part about road racing is remembering how to take all of the turns, not just 3, 4, or 5 big swooping turns, but it takes a bit more skill to get those big swooping turns perfectly down than quick left and right turns.

You're forgetting the other aspects of road courses, shifting and braking which occur every lap. Oval races don't have these aspects to worry about on every lap.

You're forgetting the other aspects of road courses, shifting and braking which occur every lap. Oval races don't have these aspects to worry about on every lap.
They shift at Pocono.

Ok, I just realized something. What in the hell is the point of tube-chassis, 800+hp cars barely doing 200mph on some tracks. They were doing that in REAL cars with almost half the horsepower back in the early 70's. Superbird anyone?

They shift at Pocono.

Not anymore. they stopped that 2-3 years ago to cut down broken trannies.

Its a big circle, and so repetitive that it makes it boring. If F1 cars or WRC cars were on the oval tracks it would be boring as well.

You have a point. I've always said that if the France's REALLY wanted entertainment, they would put the Cup cars on STREET CIRCUITS!!! :eek2: (like the Trans Am series did) :bomb: :devil:

WRC drivers are by far the most talented of the Motorsports Circtuit imo, this isnt saying that all other are talentless since they could all drive circles around me. They all are talented drivers but WRC has the most difficult tracks and dangerous settings and they still are going all out.

I think school bus racing is the hardest racing ever, with lawn tractor racing a close second. There is a lot of different type of racing out there , find something you enjoy and have fun. :drive:

Not anymore. they stopped that 2-3 years ago to cut down broken trannies.
Um auctually they stopped shifting because of a new transmission and final drive rule to limit RPM's... 1.28 is the highest 3rd gear you can have no more overdrives... broken transmissions were never an issue

I believe the HARDEST MOTORSPORT on Earth is Nascar Cup Racing...endurance is a large portion of it, along with side to side racing around banked corners at 180 MPH...... :cool: DRAG RACING is hard, and they are talented...but put a CUP driver in a Dragster and after a few tries[if they don't kill themselves] they WILL get a DECENT time/mph..........put John Force in a cup car and he would be lucky to make it 50 laps at PHOENIX RACEWAY....which has to be the worst/boring/easiest track on the circuit... :engarde:


The hardest motorsport? Have you ever heard of a little thing called the BAJA 1000??? NASCAR is pussy shit compared to that. The endurance required of of man and machine is unreal in BAJA. Not to mention, it takes at least twice the driver skill to win those races

The hardest motorsport? Have you ever heard of a little thing called the BAJA 1000??? NASCAR is pussy shit compared to that. The endurance required of of man and machine is unreal in BAJA. Not to mention, it takes at least twice the driver skill to win those races
Twice the tallet? If that was true then Jimmy Johnson and Robby Gordon should of won every NASCAR race they have entered...I love off road racing, Im around it all the time heck we have a Krieger class 1 buggy in our shop rightnow but saying it takes twice the tallent is false.The car control displayed by off road drivers such as those two listed is incrediable but every form of competition has its difficulties...F1 Drag racing NASCAR... its skill and bigger balls than anyone here has...

I know Robby Gordon as my uncle has crew chiefed for his off road team before. He is a talentless hack and a whiney baby. Thats all I wanted to say about that. haha

But yeah I agree that there is hard compition in NASCAR, but turning left will never impress me.

Ok, I just realized something. What in the hell is the point of tube-chassis, 800+hp cars barely doing 200mph on some tracks. They were doing that in REAL cars with almost half the horsepower back in the early 70's. Superbird anyone?Superbird's and Daytona's ran 426 Hemis without a restrictor plate. While they held the record top speeds for a while, new technology and aerodynamics caught-up to NASCAR by 1986. With Bill Elliott sitting on the Daytona pole at 212mph, the restrictor plate came into existence to limit the speeds at Talledega and Daytona. Without the plates, you'd easily see mid-220mph lap speeds.

As for NASCAR, they need to do something different, because it's going to so far into the wrong direction. The COT sucks major ass, too much corporate bullshit, and just let the drivers be themselves. I remember Dale, Jr. getting fined for saying, "Shit, Daddy won here 7 times". That's Dale and that's NASCAR. Don't restrict everything!!

I wouldn't mind seeing the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger in NASCAR trim, but don't do all the aero "tricks" that they do now. Ever see the front end of a NASCAR Dodge Charger??? How is that anything near resembling the stock car??? Stickers or not, it's all a joke. I used to watch NASCAR too, but I find it very boring.

Superbird's and Daytona's ran 426 Hemis without a restrictor plate. While they held the record top speeds for a while, new technology and aerodynamics caught-up to NASCAR by 1986. With Bill Elliott sitting on the Daytona pole at 212mph, the restrictor plate came into existence to limit the speeds at Talledega and Daytona. Without the plates, you'd easily see mid-220mph lap speeds.

As for NASCAR, they need to do something different, because it's going to so far into the wrong direction. The COT sucks major ass, too much corporate bullshit, and just let the drivers be themselves. I remember Dale, Jr. getting fined for saying, "Shit, Daddy won here 7 times". That's Dale and that's NASCAR. Don't restrict everything!!

I wouldn't mind seeing the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger in NASCAR trim, but don't do all the aero "tricks" that they do now. Ever see the front end of a NASCAR Dodge Charger??? How is that anything near resembling the stock car??? Stickers or not, it's all a joke. I used to watch NASCAR too, but I find it very boring.

+1

And you could actually BUY something PRETTY CLOSE to the NASCAR Plymouth....

If you ask me, they should go back to Homologation rules like they used to. I don't think NASCAR has to worry about any of the manufacturers pulling out anymore, the series is too good of an advertising medium.

Anyone who says they dont like NASCAR cause it doesnt take anything to turn left and its boring just make me laugh. Cup cars are a lot harder to drive and actually take finesse and talent to drive. F1 cars have so much downforce and traction control and all that good stuff the electronics drive the cars for them. I remember an Iroc race a few years ago around the Infield roadcourse at Daytona where Tony Stewart domintated. There were a quite a few drivers from every aspect of racing in that race and many different forms a road racing represented and they couldnt compete with a NASCAR driver in a indentically prepared car. I guess all I can do is laugh when people really have no idea what they are talking about when they say NASCAR just cause they dont understand anything about it. I think the only person here that knows a lot about it and I am sure knows a lot more than I do is CTSMechanic.

The hardest motorsport? Have you ever heard of a little thing called the BAJA 1000??? NASCAR is pussy shit compared to that. The endurance required of of man and machine is unreal in BAJA. Not to mention, it takes at least twice the driver skill to win those races

All forms of racing require a great deal of endurance and talent, so making blanket statements comparing one form to the other is pointless. "Twice the driver skill"? You are comparing apples to oranges here and making unjustified conclusions. The rides are different, the skills required are different, the terrain is different, and the competition is different. By your logic a BAJA champion could step right into a Nascar Cup team and dominate, since he would have "twice the skill". :eyes:

Ive done both (at an amature level), and in my experience, BAJA is harder.

What makes NASCAR difficult to win is the competition, because everyone is running relatively the same car is such close proximity. Its not hard to pilot the course, or pilot the car around an oval.

Just my opinion. I dont like any oval course racing. Too boring to me.

I only like drag racing because it approximates how you compete out on the street

Ive done both (at an amature level), and in my experience, BAJA is harder.

What makes NASCAR difficult to win is the competition, because everyone is running relatively the same car is such close proximity. Its not hard to pilot the course, or pilot the car around an oval.

Just my opinion. I dont like any oval course racing. Too boring to me.

I only like drag racing because it approximates how you compete out on the street
I will give MAJOR props to the offroad racers... I got to ride in Our class 1 buggy this last weekend for the S.N.O.R.E race.. WOW what a rush something about 100 plus MPH down a gravel road over ditches through wash's