Conversions & Hybrids - LS7 Fiero swap

Over the next couple of weeks I will have my zz430 swap replaced with a new LS7 with a modified cyrno treated G6 6spd transmission. link to build thread
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/069871-32.html

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HOLY OMG CRAP that is going to be retarded...jesus christmas man....next you need a magnacharger and spray right? lmao

HOLY OMG CRAP that is going to be retarded...jesus christmas man....next you need a magnacharger and spray right? lmao

X2 that will be one SICK ass ride and it will be a blast to drive


Goodluck man

car looks good...putting a ls7 in that thing is going to be insane...its going to be hell of a ride after...

what body kit is that? looks pretty sharp. the ls7 should make the car a real kick to drive too.

Best looking damn fiero i've ever seen!!!!

Over the next couple of weeks I will have my zz430 swap replaced with a new LS7 with a modified cyrno treated G6 6spd transmission. link to build thread


Did you do the work or have it done? Whoever did this is extremely talented. It is no easy task to fit, align, & get that Fiero TRANSMISSION sorted out, in order for that set up to work reliably. That is truley an engineering accomplishment. VERY well done :cheers:

And here I was considering buying a Fiero to drop an LS1 in, but was concerned about the engine fitting...

That car looks awesome man. I'll definitely be following this build!

what body kit is that? looks pretty sharp. the ls7 should make the car a real kick to drive too.

It's a heavily modified IMSA wide body kit.

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Did you do the work or have it done? Whoever did this is extremely talented. It is no easy task to fit, align, & get that Fiero TRANSMISSION sorted out, in order for that set up to work reliably. That is truley an engineering accomplishment. VERY well done :cheers:

I'm just the crazy guy with pipe dreams and ideas, But V8 Archie of IL makes them a reality for me. He specializes in V8 fiero swaps and body fabrications. link to his site: http://www.v8archie.com this will be the first LS7 fiero swap but not his first LSX swap.

Great job.. too bad I just sold my 87 Fiero..!

And here I was considering buying a Fiero to drop an LS1 in, but was concerned about the engine fitting...

That car looks awesome man. I'll definitely be following this build!

Thanks and did you say LS1 fiero:
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LS2 fiero:
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LS7 Fiero:
soon

I've seen a 455 Poncho in a Fiero, so it'll fit!

how are the plugs to change? is it a bitch to work on the engine?

nice car btw!

The LS7 just arrived.

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Archie

the exhaust manifolds on the ls7 look insane

the exhaust manifolds on the ls7 look insane

They're hydro formed with an individual hydro formed runner for each port on the inside.

We're having custom headers made for it.

Archie

just when you thought you seen it all,something like this shows up....

Some money going into this build.


Deff wish yah the best of luck with it. Once someone breaks the ice with a new swap, others usually follow, and I looked at the fieros, Mr2s ect before I decided on the Ls1/Rx7 swap

Looks great; I've always wondered how that transmission would do attached to a LSx motor.

Incredible looking ride man. You better buy some life insurance before completing the swap!

OMG! ^ I agree with that statement

thats tight

Nice, its chopped right?

I remember back in the day that the first V8 top chop fiero rolled out of Archie's that thing was awesome. Or going down to Daytona with them for the yellow top chop. Back then he didn't have the LSx motor swap done yet, but was working on it, they had the intake turned around and it looked awesome, no such issues with LSx. Good times.
Personally I like finale best out of them all, but that thing looks MEAN!!!!

Nice, its chopped right?


Yes it's a 3" Choptop

OK, so I had to join yet another forum, just so I can keep an eye on this build along with that "renegade" mustang!

Fantastic looking Fiero, I had an '87 and still regret selling it! Can't wait to see more about your build!

Hi Troy - Mind if I :hijack: for a moment?

I'm the proud owner of the LS2 Fiero (white Ferrari 328 Replica) that Troy showed above (link to build thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/068941.html )

Like Troy, I'm using the GM F40 6 speed manual (which was used in the Pontiad G6 for two years and is still used in the Saab 9-3). This car is crazy, stupid fast. I don't get the chance to drive it as much as I should, but I had it out for a couple of hours on Saturday, and came home with a big smile on my face. The car pulls like crazy in 2nd gear, and 3rd/4th aren't bad either!

The LS2 totally changed the personality of the car. The motor is amazingly flexible, I've had it down to 40 MPH in 6th gear and it doesn't complain. On the other hand, a full thottle stomp in third gear will draw the attention of every trooper in a three state radius.

I CAN'T WAIT to see what an LS7 Fiero can do!!!!!

John

That is the sweetest Fiero I have EVER seen. I want it.

I love little cars with big horsepower Swweeettt!!

This is simply amazing...

Major props to the OP for having a great looking Fiero.

I can't wait to see the end result of this project!!!

-Matt

Do you need vasaline to fit ls1's in there?

Do you need vasaline to fit ls1's in there?

hahaha.

Do you need vasaline to fit ls1's in there?

Actually Archie's old kit didn't need any cutting of the car, which I always liked. But that was before he finished his LSx swap.
and IIRC its actually easier to do something as simple as spark plug change with V8 in there than it was with stock v6.

i really dig fieros,
ultimate swap:D

Looks great; I've always wondered how that transmission would do attached to a LSx motor.


If you look at the third run of pictures on the first page you'll see the 90degree to 60degree adapter plate.

I have these headers custom made for the LS1, LS6, LS2 & LS3 engines. I've put them on all of the LSx swaps we've done so far. (Except for the 1st LS1 swap, we had to prototype on something).

They are 1.625" tube & 2.5" collector. We will have a set of 1.75" tube 3" collector headers that will be ready before we install this engine for the last time.

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Archie Good work Archie I can't wait to see the final version

latest news from Archie

Originally posted by Archie:

Coming up tonight on the late news:

We begin the LS7 swap........

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Tune in.

Archie

What is the red car in post 15? It looks like a maserati? I like that! LS7 in a Fiero is insane! Ya gotta love it!

Bill

What is the red car in post 15? It looks like a maserati? I like that! LS7 in a Fiero is insane! Ya gotta love it!

Bill

It's a lambo Miura replica that I'm building for a customer.

It will be powered by an LS3

Archie

everyone thought I was crazy for putting an LT1 in a first gen RX7 ten years ago but you my friend are certifiable, and I mean that in the greatest way possible that is a beautiful car and hope it runs like a greased owl sh!t

Other than a Pagani Zonda this would be my second choice and I would so rock the SHIT out of that beast!
Well done, sirs.

update from the Fiero forum

Originally posted by Archie:

We've done a lot of work to The Perfect Union in the last months. Some of it has been covered here and there are still other things to show you. I'll update that stuff later.

Today, it's all about the LSx series of engines in general & the LS7 in particular.

I'm so excited about the Ls series of engines that I can't stand it.

Let me share some of that with you.

All of the LS7 engines are built & test ran by hand at the Wixom Performance Build Center in Wixom, MI by GM & the UAW.

The 1st thing you notice when you look at the engine is the tag on the intake manifold.

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Our engine was built by Dale Swenson....

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Look at the size of those exhaust ports & the Dry Sump Oil Pan....

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When we put any LSx engine in a Fiero we have to make a slight modification to the oil pan & we always turn the intake manifold around.

So we have to take the oil pan & Intake manifold off right away.

Join us for the fun of taking apart a $14000.00 engine.......

more.....

Originally posted by Archie:

On the oil pan we have to make a modification in the area of this little plate above the oil filter.....

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To make it so we can turn around the intake manifold, we have to modify this oil pressure sender boss.....

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I'll show more details about that later. For now we can just enjoy what we can see when we have the oil pan & intake manifold off.....

Wow, what excitement, how about an oil pan that doesn't store oil......

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The fun thing is what you can see with the pan off....... tell us what you see in these pics.....

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and more

Originally posted by Archie:

One majopr thing that helps when you're turning the intake manifold around is that the bottom of the intake manifold doesn't seal to the valley to keep the oil in the engine. All of the LSx engines have a Valley Cover. Also note in this pic the oil pressure sender mount that sticks up from the Valley cover, we have to modify that to turn the intake around.

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Then there's this view....

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I like this series of pictures.....

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Archie

That's fuckin insane! Got any time slips from the LS1 or 2 fieros?

more...

Originally posted by Archie:

We only have to do this mod when we turn the intake around on the LS2, LS3 & LS7.

On the LS1 & LS6 the oil fitting is a lot lower and a simple fitting can be used to turn the OPS away from the intake.

We modified this today (along with the oil pan) & I took them over to be welded.

Was

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On the oil pan there are 2 holes just above the Oil filter.....

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One is oil out & the other is oil in. On every LS engine I've seen so far GM just puts a cover on those holes (pictured above) that just turns the oil around to go back towards the oil pan. This cover is in the way of the only place we can mount a starter. So we drill a hole inside the oil pan to bypas the need for this cover & then we weld the holes closed. I don't have good pics of this mod on Troy's oil pan today so here are a few pics from my files.

These are from Doc John's car.

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We also got a lot of prep done on the new engine cradle & we've got the underside of the chassis almost ready for paint.

Archie

Archie's crew doing a little spring cleaning
Originally posted by Archie:

Also to show you what we've been doing underneath the car in the last few days.

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Archie

everyone thought I was crazy for putting an LT1 in a first gen RX7 ten years ago but you my friend are certifiable, and I mean that in the greatest way possible that is a beautiful car and hope it runs like a greased owl sh!t

Yeah, i know what you mean. They thought I was crazy in '93 when I put a new LT1 in a Fiero.

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Now they think I'm crazy for other reasons.

Archie

wow damn nice work.. this car looks amazing

wish I had that kind of coin, but I would have gone for the later model Lamborghini body kit. But thats just me :")

I like to some pics of the engine/trans plate.

Thanks.

I like to some pics of the engine/trans plate.

Thanks.

Here's one of my adapter plates bolted on the back of an LS2.

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Archie

Update time
Originally posted by Archie:

We've got a lot of progress in the last 2 days.

These pics should show you some of what's been going on.

Note that this is all trial fitting, the engine/trans/cradle will be all coming out of the car before it goes to paint. We'll be sending the cradle out for powdercoating that's why it isn't painted in these pics.

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Archie

I havent seen one of the v8 cars have a decent dyno slip that have come out of that shop. I have seen a few dyno vids online of them, all of them unimpressive. What tuning if any will go into this? What engine management system will be used?

Dam thats pretty wicked.

I havent seen one of the v8 cars have a decent dyno slip that have come out of that shop. I have seen a few dyno vids online of them, all of them unimpressive. What tuning if any will go into this? What engine management system will be used?

The engine management system will be provided by Street and Performance
http://www.hotrodlane.cc/ . As for a dyno tune after the build, sure if I feel that the Ls7 is not snapping my neck hard enough :drive: I'll spring for a tune or two. But seriously I'm sure that a ls7 on 6 cylinders would rocket this car, so I'm sure a lS7 even with a factory tune running on all 8 would do fine. As for dyno vids of other peoples cars, it's up to to them to decide if they are not happy and want to tune it, right? Archie installs the motor that the owner provides and honors any request for performance mods.

BTW: I thought that the Caddy STS had North Stars, did you swap and LSX in to it? If so sounds interesting any Dyno slips or vids ?

Doc John's car (he posted on page 2 or 3) Has the only LS engine car that has had a Dyno posted on the internet. Maybe you missed that one. His LS2 put down numbers that were right in line with what a new LS2 crate engine is expected to put out.

Only 2 of the online videos are of cars we've built. One of them was an overcarburated SBC using a Flush-o-matic 3000 that had just finished a 1200 mile trip to the Dyno location. It only had 100 miles before that trip & hadn't been tuned at all at that time. Any others you've found were built by the owners so you'd have to ask them.

But this Forum is about LS series engines so that's what matters here.

This LS7 will be using a Street & Performance harness & programming unless we can find another vendor who wants to supply us a better setup. :)

On this LS7 car the goal is to have it put back together with paint before a show it's going to in July. It's not being built for drag racing, so any 1/4 miles times (if any) will be after our prior commitments.

Archie

The engine management system will be provided by Street and Performance
http://www.hotrodlane.cc/ . As for a dyno tune after the build, sure if I feel that the Ls7 is not snapping my neck hard enough :drive: I'll spring for a tune or two. But seriously I'm sure that a ls7 on 6 cylinders would rocket this car, so I'm sure a lS7 even with a factory tune running on all 8 would do fine. As for dyno vids of other peoples cars, it's up to to them to decide if they are not happy and want to tune it, right? Archie installs the motor that the owner provides and honors any request for performance mods.

BTW: I thought that the Caddy STS had North Stars, did you swap and LSX in to it? If so sounds interesting any Dyno slips or vids ?

My STS does have a northstar in it, not sure why you are thinking that it doesnt:confused: My 2 former Trans-Ams were ls1 cars. Right now the only thing I own with an LS in it is our Yukon.

I hope your project turns out well. Should be pretty sick, I just have not seen anything performance wise come from this fella. He installs these engines but doesnt provide any dyno tuning? So you would have to take it to another shop to get everything worked out?

What engine management is running the other ls1 fieros? Have any HP numbers or times for those?

My STS does have a northstar in it, not sure why you are thinking that it doesnt:confused:


I just thought that a STS with a LSX would make a sick sleeper :D . Speed + Caddy comfort= sweet

I hope your project turns out well. Should be pretty sick, I just have not seen anything performance wise come from this fella. He installs these engines but doesnt provide any dyno tuning? So you would have to take it to another shop to get everything worked out?

What engine management is running the other ls1 fieros? Have any HP numbers or times for those?

You know, you can address me directly. You don't have to talk like I'm not in the room. That's an insult.

So far we've used the S&P systems on all the in house LS swaps.

I don't have a Dyno sitting in the middle of my shop. A lot of shops that install engines into vehicles don't have in house Dynos. A dyno is available only a few blocks away. We don't build engines here, we just install new Chevy crate engines for some customers. So if a customer wants to pay me by the hour to drive his car 400 miles or so to break in his clutch, then we can take it to the dyno for him. Most of my customers would prefer to drive their newly built cars the 1st 400 miles themselves.

We do Engine swap kits for Fieros & custom body parts for them. Some customers want us to do the swaps for them too. We work on Fieros EXCLUSIVELY, we typically don't work on anything except Fieros & we don't work on stock Fieros. That's the way I've been doing this for 20 years now.

So if you'd like to tell me how to run my business, go ahead.

Archie

i didnt understand the remark about Hp numbers either.. i do understand nicely built cars when i see one though.. and i remember driving a fiero gt a good many years ago and thinking it was a cool little center engined car... and with an ls7 in it it would get me in trouble faster than i care to think...

i really like how your install looks oem, keep up the good work

lol. Whoa there guy. I am loving Troy's swap and the idea of having an ls7 fiero here. I'm not telling you how to run your fiero business at all. In 20 years of v8 installs i would think you have done some high horsepower fieros thru the years, do you have any customer dyno vids, or maybe some of your own. All I have seen is some vids on streetfire of v8 fieros making very very low numbers.

I just thought that a STS with a LSX would make a sick sleeper :D . Speed + Caddy comfort= sweet

lol, that would be hot, but no just a daily driver. What set up was in the Fiero before? Are you going from a 2.8 right to an ls7?

wow, awesome work!

lol. Whoa there guy. I am loving Troy's swap and the idea of having an ls7 fiero here. I'm not telling you how to run your fiero business at all. In 20 years of v8 installs i would think you have done some high horsepower fieros thru the years, do you have any customer dyno vids, or maybe some of your own. All I have seen is some vids on streetfire of v8 fieros making very very low numbers.

there was a meet in the danish corvette club c1 c2 and c3 only.. they had a dyno at the gorunds and not one of them made over 300 rwhp, even a 1970 sixpack big block... its just these LS engines that make so much power people expect 400+ rwhp from a dynopull... most home grown SBC´s make very little power.. in and out of a fiero..

by home grown i mean (camelhump 350 with some hydraulic "3/4 race cam and whatever prople brag about)

there was a meet in the danish corvette club c1 c2 and c3 only.. they had a dyno at the gorunds and not one of them made over 300 rwhp, even a 1970 sixpack big block... its just these LS engines that make so much power people expect 400+ rwhp from a dynopull... most home grown SBC´s make very little power.. in and out of a fiero..

by home grown i mean (camelhump 350 with some hydraulic "3/4 race cam and whatever prople brag about)

I know very well about ls power, I have owned 2(see sig). I'm not talking about 70s motors or vehicles, Archie himself states that they normally install brand new crate engines.

I dont want to sidetrack this thread, I think it is a bad ass swap, maybe it will put this shop on the map.

I dont see any reason to HAVE to dyno tune a car with a brand new crate engine... Its in a fiero for one, so the power to weight is going to be alittle silly even in stock form. And the motor is going to run just as good as it would in its intended form. I dont think Ide want a fully built LS7 in a fiero...stock would be plenty fun Ide imagine.

I dont know much about fieros...and dont follow the build up of them often...but I know of Archie and his shop. I know if you go over on the thirdgen sites a lot of people know him and his work. So ide say he's already on the map for the most part.

I cant wait to see how this turns out... That car is going to absolutely rip!!! Keeping an eye on this one!

J.

So ide say he's already on the map for the most part.


20 years I would hope so!

lol, that would be hot, but no just a daily driver. What set up was in the Fiero before? Are you going from a 2.8 right to an ls7?

No the previous motor was a ZZ430 clone, it was a sick ride but then I was bitten by the LSX bug.
Vid of old set up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk5tJYh28Sw

I havent seen one of the v8 cars have a decent dyno slip that have come out of that shop. I have seen a few dyno vids online of them, all of them unimpressive. What tuning if any will go into this? What engine management system will be used?


I hope your project turns out well. Should be pretty sick, I just have not seen anything performance wise come from this fella. He installs these engines but doesnt provide any dyno tuning? So you would have to take it to another shop to get everything worked out?

What engine management is running the other ls1 fieros? Have any HP numbers or times for those?

20 years I would hope so!

What is with you man? Are you that bored you have to somehow find a way to criticize?

You haven't seen anything performance wise? LS2 and LS7s in a fiero isn't performance oriented or going to put down numbers?

Btw A LOT of performance shops do not have in house dynos...

Not everything is about hp ratings and 1/4 mile.

No the previous motor was a ZZ430 clone, it was a sick ride but then I was bitten by the LSX bug.
Vid of old set up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk5tJYh28Sw
Very nice. When this is done I am sure you will have the sickest fiero on the planet.

What is with you man? Are you that bored you have to somehow find a way to criticize?

You haven't seen anything performance wise? LS2 and LS7s in a fiero isn't performance oriented or going to put down numbers?

Btw A LOT of performance shops do not have in house dynos...

Not everything is about hp ratings and 1/4 mile.

I didnt say I expected him to have an inhouse dyno. But I guess I am the only one that would want the car fully tuned before it left the shop.

I would still like to see some of the other fiero swaps that have been done. 20 years, nothing but fieros, there should be some badass ones with V8s.

What do you have to do to the input shaft and flywheel to work correctly?

Thanks.

update time :D

Originally posted by Archie:


It's been 2 working days since the last update but we've got a lot done.

On Monday it was mostly trial fitting of the engine into the car & designing & making the prototype PS pump mount. Note, while we've finalized the PS pump mount design, the A/C mount will still have to be modified when we get the necessary idler pullies mounted.

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Today the Coil covers came in. We had to trim them a bit to fit.

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The headers here are the headers I use on the LS1,LS2 & LS3, The LS7 headers will have 1.75" primaries & 3" collectors. While the new headers are still being made, these headers give us a chance to make sure the new headers will have plenty of room.

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At this point everything else we have to do to the engine mounting & belt routing can be done after the car has headed to paint.

Tomorrow will be dedicated to getting any more rust we can find on the chassis cleaned up & painting the chassis with POR15.

Archie

What power steering rack will you be using?

This has got to be the coolest swap I've seen yet. I've gotta admit, I'm a far cry from being a Fiero fan, but that thing looks great. With an LS7 it'll have performance to match the looks.

JCurtin: After reading this entire thread, I've got one thing to say to you. Shut up!

What power steering rack will you be using?

We're using the ZR1 rack similar to what you have in your PS thread.

Archie

ive been watching this thread and its time to comment.

Freaking Amazaing!!!!!

dyno numbers are useless...all that matters is how it runs

We're using the ZR1 rack similar to what you have in your PS thread.

Archie

I have used a few alignment specs and even used custom knuckles on my 88 with the front lowered over an inch. The stock knuckles and stock manual specs work best. The power steeing specs for the 88 seem to twitchy. NOT a ride for the "lazy driver".
Never did the power steering on a pre88, so I dont know what would work best for you. But I would start with the stock specs and see how it feels before a custom alignment.

Nice job.

I have used a few alignment specs and even used custom knuckles on my 88 with the front lowered over an inch. The stock knuckles and stock manual specs work best. The power steeing specs for the 88 seem to twitchy. NOT a ride for the "lazy driver".
Never did the power steering on a pre88, so I dont know what would work best for you. But I would start with the stock specs and see how it feels before a custom alignment.

Nice job.

Thanks !! great info

Awesome build up!
I did not know you posted up on this site Archie!
I think I will go undercover as a parts driver to see if I can get the dime tour of the shop.:secret2:
The owner couldn't be in better hands. You are a top notch builder for sure!
I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Can you say :burn: at 55mph+ ????

Jim

update!!
Originally posted by Archie:

Today, the whole chassis from the windshield back was treated, prep'ed & painted with POR15.

Tomorrow we do the front of the chassis.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN8718_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN8719_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN8720_(Small).JPG

There you go, finally a post that doesn't have pics of the LS7 in it.

Archie

more!!
Originally posted by Archie:

We got the other end of the chassis painted today.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN8727_(Small)_1.JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN8730_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN8732_(Small).JPG

Archie

Awesome build up!
I did not know you posted up on this site Archie!
I think I will go undercover as a parts driver to see if I can get the dime tour of the shop.:secret2:
The owner couldn't be in better hands. You are a top notch builder for sure!
I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Can you say :burn: at 55mph+ ????

Jim

Well someone's gotta be here to keep an eye on you.

We're going to have to do that LS3 Wednesday or Thursday of next week.

Archie

nice build

It's time for me to start mapping out the exhaust components. I've looked at hooker, magnaflow, flowmaster, and pypes. So far I'm leaning towards Pypes Violator ( http://www.pypesexhaust.com/mufflers.html#03 ). Any input would be greatly appreciated.

how much would you sell an adapter kit for that same g6 transmission.....i am building a copied ariel atom and i want to do a lsx drivetrain in it....it needs to stay a transverse setup....or what other transmissions do u already have adapters for?

how much would you sell an adapter kit for that same g6 transmission.....i am building a copied ariel atom and i want to do a lsx drivetrain in it....it needs to stay a transverse setup....or what other transmissions do u already have adapters for?

Very Nice!!!

this is a badass car.. I want to see her go down the strip...

What does everyone think she will run her first time..

I think in the bottom 10's

how much would you sell an adapter kit for that same g6 transmission.....i am building a copied ariel atom and i want to do a lsx drivetrain in it....it needs to stay a transverse setup....or what other transmissions do u already have adapters for?

At 1st I thought what the heck is a "ariel atom", then I googled it.....

Now all I can say are 2 things......

1) You're one crazy dude

2) Can I have a ride?

That thing should be the ultimate Hybird.

For the Fiero application the LSx Conversions kits & the 6 speed conversion kits are actually 2 seperate items. The 2 kits include mounts, adapters, axles, clutch, Flywheel, radiator, etc.

I don't want to sell someone parts that they don't need. I can give you a quote for the parts you'll need but we'll have to figure out what parts you'll be needing for the atom.

drop me an EMail at Archie@v8archie.com or give me a call during the day at 800-891-3608 & we'll figure it out.

Archie

nice car man

Some unbelievable fabrication work. Truely slick solutions. Wish I had your skills.

this is a badass car.. I want to see her go down the strip...

What does everyone think she will run her first time..

I think in the bottom 10's

Considering the only car archie has ever made that made some measureable power (383 with a 200 shot), ran mid 11's, I am going to say that this LS7 setup will seriously struggle to make high 11's.

The transmission gearing is basically completely useless for a motor that makes this sort of power. It will either explode, or just run slow as you wont be able to get the power down when you need to. Getting the tires spinning in second gear would be an act of god.

200 torque transmission + 500 torque motor = grenade, not a high performance drivetrain.

Edit to add

One other car to come out of archies shop that made trips to the track was a turbo, intercooled, stroked 383 LT1, that ran mid 12's. Running an 11 with a v8 swap requires one of 2 things, A setup that will not cause the transmission to explode, or a setup with enough power to make it down the track seeing full throttle less than half the way. Solid mounting a transmission and motor to a frame is not my idea of helping it survive...

Darkhorizon If you don't mind keep your Archie bashing Sh*t to your self or start your own thread if you must. If you hate this setup so much why in the hell did you follow it here, build a better mouse trap or shut the f**k up. On the other forum you don't talk highly of V8 motors so why are you on a LS forum?

Just so we know the type of person that we are dealing with:

Originally posted by darkhorizon:

I am waiting for the manual v8 guys to accept my challenge, I will race for whatever, money/pinks, heads up best of 5 races pinks style anywhere in the midwest.



Originally posted by Archie:

I never saw that challenge before, but you're on.

We will be racing for $5000.00 cash, just like on Pinks. (bring cash or Money Order)

We will be racing at Great Lakes Dragaway.

We can run in late April or early May whatever day you can make it into town.

Bring proof that the car you are racing belongs to you.

Put up or shut up.



Archie





Originally posted by darkhorizon:

On the otherhand, knowing I will take crap for this, but I am not going to call archies bluff here, as I dont have 5000 to risk, nor do I want to take my car into the drag racing direction at the moment. i like driving it around town, and the fact I have already gotten back what I invested in it.

darkhorizon = TROLL

Stock Fiero brakes are known to fail. Hope he did something to rectify that. Any interior shots?

Here is cletus' 377 cubic inch motor on the dyno. First he blamed the low numbers on the dyno being rigged, then he blamed it me knowing the dyno operator and rigging it, then he blamed it on the weather conditions, then he blamed it on a dead vietnam vet who built the engine. Jeez man no class from cletus. how many excuses can you give cletus?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6MfE1uF7qg

And here check out this video. here is the vid of a turnkey car by cletus with a 330 hp crate motor from GM thats been cletus tuned. 330 at the crank and 238 at the wheels. Total cost? Over 10k$!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYwwnzMjRNU

Is this the man you want to do business with? Spend thousands of dollars for lackluster performance? I wouldn't.

Stock Fiero brakes are known to fail. Hope he did something to rectify that. Any interior shots?

13" Corvette brakes on all four corners:
http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6153_(Small).JPG

I don't know if everybody wants to see a buildup on these brakes, but I'm sure you'd like to see what they look like on the car.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6201_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6202_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6205_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6220_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6223_(Small).JPG







Interior shot, just painted glass for now but will get leather after paint.
http://www.v8archie.com/pip/7340.jpg

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/7341.jpg

I apologize to the LS1TECH community, I see the trolls have arrived. PhrektheGay is really Shaun Hammit and lives his sorry life trolling Archie.

with regards to the transmission i think the comment about granading it is an ok one to make... the fiero transaxles arent exactlt known to be bylletproof... ive seen some v8 fieros running acura NSX transmissions for this very reason.. and building a car of this caliber.. with brakes and chassis to go with an engine like an ls7... i think it would be a shame to go thru transmissions at the same rate as the rear tires..

just my 2 cents

he won't be breaking trannies though because its going to be a trailorqueen.

I love how the previous motor had a claimed 430 hp because it was a zz430 clone but it wasn't making that much because of the TPI runners on it. I am sure troyboy if asked would claim it made 430 hp though but with no dyno to back it up.

There was another person who put the same motor in a fiero, the zz430 clone, claimed it made 430 hp with those restrictive TPI runners, and only put down 298 whp!! Thats right less then 300 hp at the wheels from a claimed 430 crank hp setup. Thats a 30% loss!! That motor was also done turnkey by cletus. That car never ran the qtr mile and broke 3 or 4 axles too. UNRELIABLE!!

All that tq and not having the drivetrain to handle it makes building the car absolutely pointless other then to have a bunch of people swinging from your nards based solely on the fact that they think its making big power or thats its faster even though its not making power and its not fast. Fiero owners call this the "wow factor". Yea I am wowed alright. All that money wasted on a drivetrain you can't utilize for fear of breaking the tranny or something else. It doesnt' have to be fast, but if asked its the fastest thing ever. And when the owners pop that decklid and some old fart says "wow" then the fiero owner feels its $15k well spent even if it only runs 14's in the qtr.

SBC v8 fieros claim they didn't build a track car when they put in a sbc. Talk about laughable right? Its my guess they did it for the gas mileage. I mean why else do they put in a v8 if not to go fast?

Take it to the track and when it runs 13's I wonder what excuses will come flying out of the owners mouth. But like I said it will never see a track because its a trailorqueen.

with regards to the transmission i think the comment about granading it is an ok one to make... the fiero transaxles arent exactlt known to be bylletproof... ive seen some v8 fieros running acura NSX transmissions for this very reason.. and building a car of this caliber.. with brakes and chassis to go with an engine like an ls7... i think it would be a shame to go thru transmissions at the same rate as the rear tires..

just my 2 cents

As far as trannys go the choices out there for Fieros is limited, but that being said this car is not using a fiero tranny . We are using a cryno treated G6 6speed tranny. As of date all of the G6 6 spd trannys are holding up with the LS swaps. If it doesn't hold in the long run I'll just try something else and continue my dream.

Shaun don't worry about me I'll be ok, I've invested well and I'm willing to pay the price to think out of the box. Can you post the specs and pics of your car, after all you are the master, right??

shaun thinks this is a game, quote from his home base forum:

its so crazy that I just so happen to have an acct there. :thumbleft:

I applaud Mrtroyboy for going "all out" on an LS7 swap. It will be an insane fiero, that's for sure. Most people aren't crazy(?) enough to drop $20k into a $2k car. Good luck with your project.

I agree with the transmission comments though, there aren't many options that will live up to a LS7. The F40 transmission you're using from a Pontiac G6 isn't proven. The "40" comes from the maximum gearbox torque - 400N-m or ~300ftlb. It's not going to last long behind 500lb-ft. Plus, with a 3.55 final and 3.77 first (depending on model), it's going to be a pretty worthless first gear, so you have a 3 speed with 2 overdrive gears.

I've been into fieros for a few years now. Lurked here for a while too. I think this is one of my first posts. I've seen Archie's work first hand and driven one of his swaps. I will say this: I would have chosen someone else for an LS7 swap. If I'm spending $10k on an engine, I want to be damn sure it's installed right. Nothing personal with Archie (I don't know the guy), but I have seen his crimp bent exhaust, the underperforming fiero videos, and generally poor engineering decisions when it comes to engine swaps (mounts, etc) But good luck to you both! Please post a 1/4 mile video when you get it together!

How is using off the shelf GM parts to build a trailorqueen "out of the box" thinking? :eyes:

http://centralfloridafieros.net/forum/index.php?topic=3.75

That guy spent $17k with cletus, and was unsatisfied with cletus. $17k dude!! With him being unsatisfied and cletus not being able to do what he wanted, do y ou think he made a wise investment too? If this smiley was over on poopland, he would probably be posting it left and right about cletus. :ripped:

BTW shaun Archie didn't work on the motor on this guy's car, get your fact's straight.

You are right, he did the bodywork, not the motor, and from what he says, he isn't happy at all with how cletus treated him after spending $17k dollars with him. Not only that but the customer had green coolant in his overflow tank, when there was dexcool in the car when he took it to cletus' shop. Gee now how did that happen?

He did however work on the motors in the otehr videos I posted, and you see what those 2 outcomes were right? Like I said he doesnt' know what he is doing.

You guys need to settle down and stop the trolling, bashing, and attacking. This is the 1st warning.

-The Moderation Staff.

You guys need to settle down and stop the trolling, bashing, and attacking. This is the 1st warning.

-The Moderation Staff.

Thank you

13" Corvette brakes on all four corners:
http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6153_(Small).JPG

I don't know if everybody wants to see a buildup on these brakes, but I'm sure you'd like to see what they look like on the car.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6201_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6202_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6205_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6220_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6223_(Small).JPG







Interior shot, just painted glass for now but will get leather after paint.
http://www.v8archie.com/pip/7340.jpg

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/7341.jpg

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That is unbelieveable!!!!!!!

If thats a c5 brake kit it was copied from Design One

If thats a c5 brake kit it was copied from Design One

No shaun, wrong again. It was purchased from Design One and installed by Archie. But I'm sure you knew that because you have one Right??

:gtfo:

more Interior pics:
Originally posted by troyboy:

I'm going to change the speaker grills to flush mount for leg clearance.
http://myfiero.com/uploads/7752_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/7753_.jpg

Front
http://myfiero.com/uploads/7754_.jpg

back
http://myfiero.com/uploads/7755_.jpg

rear view camera
http://myfiero.com/uploads/7756_.jpg

front view camera
http://myfiero.com/uploads/7758_.jpg

It was bought from design one, but he is copying it to sell it as his own. So rumor has it from a very reputable source

shaun your just ignorant!!! I'm done with you

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc144/gokartmozart_photos/trolls.jpg

Back on topic pics of the car with new nose job b4 paint and final install of the LS7:
http://myfiero.com/uploads/11829_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/11830_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/11831_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/11834_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/11833_.jpg

more:

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN8951_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN8952_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN8962_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN8963_(Small).JPG

makes me miss my '86 fun car to drive with the 4cyl. i can imagine with that kind of power.

Shaun, why don't you call 1-800-get a life for goodness sakes.

If the V8 Fiero is not your thing, why do you constantly have to rain all over someone else's parade?

Troyboy's car is exactly what he wants it to be, why do you care what engine he has chosen.

Troy, very nice car I wouldn't even bother defending it to the trolls.

Pretty cool car. You should shave off the black moulding, it would look better.

That would be a HARD assignment on a Fiero.... those rub stribs aren't just stuck on :(

The black trim can be smoothed, but it's a lot of work. Especially on the bumpers where the strip is actually molded into the bumper, you can't remove it. So you need some type of flexible filler to cover it up. The doors are another tricky area because the door panels flex.

It would be a bit easier on Troyboy's car as it has the IMSA kit on it already, but obviously if he wanted the strip off he could do it. Some people think the trim adds visual interest and leave it on intentionally.

Pretty cool car. You should shave off the black moulding, it would look better.

I looked into that and I didn't like it on this car so I stayed with the side trim , IMO it seems to give this car definition. A photo shop a Friend did for me 2 years ago to help me make up my mind.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9664/unionmodme2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


but it looks great on this sweet V8 Fiero
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/doublec4/Photoshop/jscott.jpg

There was another person who put the same motor in a fiero, the zz430 clone, claimed it made 430 hp with those restrictive TPI runners, and only put down 298 whp!! Thats right less then 300 hp at the wheels from a claimed 430 crank hp setup. Thats a 30% loss!! That motor was also done turnkey by cletus. That car never ran the qtr mile and broke 3 or 4 axles too. UNRELIABLE!!


Geez, Why do you keep skewing the facts?
The car you are talking about only broke one axle. The axle broke because the person driving it cannot shift. I have rode with him a few times and he is very abusive of his cars. I say "cars" because he has broken his stock Corvette a few times because of how he shifts.


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To All, The person "trolling" has a long history of slamming V-8 Fiero's and V8 Archie. Look at ANY video on YouTube or Streetfire and you'll see him and his friends post negative comments all the time on EVERY V-8 Fiero video. Notice how the video links he has posted were made by him? He was banned from the Fiero forum (and a few other forums) for doing the same thing. He has been obsessed with slamming V-8 Fiero's for a number of years.

BTW ~ I have a 1986 Fiero SE with a ZZ4 crate engine which was installed by V8 Archie.
So "for the record":
The ZZ4 is rated at 355hp.
My car dyno'd at 309 rwhp (roughly a 12.5% loss thru the drivetrain)
It runs 0-60 in just under 4.0 seconds.
The best 1/4 mile time is 12.34@111mph
I have been running my car for 3.5 years with a stock Fiero 4-spd manual.
It has seen at least 12 runs at a drag strip and over 100 miles of road course racing.

If you click on this link:
http://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin/main.cgi

Scroll down to the 508 rwhp LS1 Fiero complete with Dyno charts.

Phrek has been banned (by a fellow Fiero owner... me). I'm hoping to have my Viper Blue paint job on the Fiero done by early summer. ;)

My first car was an 87 Fiero GT. Boy, I thought that thing was the fastest car on the road. I love the idea of the LS7 in them, but those body kits are not for me.

I didnt realise that people still used the term "troll" lol.
Ls1tech is a performance oriented site, if someone is installing engines into fieros and constantly LOSING power they are going to get called out on it period.


Oreif if you are calling the guys posting facts about this Archie guy trolls, what do you call yourself? You signed up just to defend him or what? Guess that makes you a nut swinging troll. I have been here for quite sometime unlike you I didnt log in just to cosign someone.:eyes:

wow this is an awesome project
keep up the good work
cant wait to see a video of it running:)

Hey JCurtain,

Chill out. Orief has a long history on Fiero sites. Remember, on the internet, everybody runs 10's and has a 500 hp motor. Right?

Anyone else that bashes in this thread gets a 1 week (or more) ban. :judge: Just try me.

thanks ------mase

I didnt realise that people still used the term "troll" lol.
Ls1tech is a performance oriented site, if someone is installing engines into fieros and constantly LOSING power they are going to get called out on it period.


Oreif if you are calling the guys posting facts about this Archie guy trolls, what do you call yourself? You signed up just to defend him or what? Guess that makes you a nut swinging troll. I have been here for quite sometime unlike you I didnt log in just to cosign someone.:eyes:

I did not call anyone except "phrek" AKA Shaun a troll. Notice I said "person" (singular) not persons. While there are a couple of posts that have a negative opinion, Those folks did not purposely come here to "troll" nor did they continue to flame others with half truths or lies.

Shaun always skews the facts, takes things out of context, and even post lies in order to flame V-8 Fiero's. I replied to his comment about a particular car which he knows nothing about.

I was not "defending Archie" I merely stated that Shaun has a long history of slamming Archie AND V-8 Fiero's. His obsession with slamming them even extends to him making negative comments when folks post video's on other websites. Then I posted specs on two different cars (mine and Nick Wagoner's) to show that Shaun's stereotyping of all V-8 powered Fiero's was inaccurate/incorrect.

Finally, I have yet to see a V-8 swap in a Fiero "lose power" just because it was installed in a Fiero. There are roughly seven LSx powered Fiero's that I know of and so far all of them make rated power and some make more. While there are a few SBC powered Fiero's that have modifications that cause them to have lower than rated power, that does not mean that ALL V-8 Fiero's suffer from it. With reference to the particular vehicle Shaun mentioned above, Taking an engine and adding a cam that is rated with a particular intake set-up and installing a restrictive TPI system is obviously going to lose power. The owner has also mentioned a few times that the engine had issues getting tuned correctly by multiple shops/places. Which is a typical problem when mis-matching parts on an engine.
In such a case, How is the fact that it's in a Fiero the cause?


We now return to our regularly scheduled thread. :D

Nice build up , but I just wanted to mention a few things from my experience as a V8 Fiero owner.

Don't solid mount the engine , it will tear the cradle apart. This isn't some 200WHP 350 that is the norm in the Fiero community.

Secondly , are you running a stock Pontiac G6 Tranny behind a LS7?
Open diff?


I would look into something a bit more stout.


other than that awesome build , keep up the good work!

i don't follow much fiero's but there is a guy i used to work with that was a retired gm tech, and he love fiero's, (he has 3 of them and still buys them). anyways he was telling me all about them, and he mentioned that if you wanted performance on a engine swag one would have to go with the 4-speed it could hold up to about any thing. by the way nice work keep up the one of akind work.

If you click on this link:
http://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin/main.cgi

Scroll down to the 508 rwhp LS1 Fiero complete with Dyno charts.

After two months of success with this transmission, it ultimately decided to give up the ghost.

I see the transmission worked out real well....

Hi Archie, one year at World of Wheels you had two Fiero cars that had Italian sports car looking bodies on them, got any pics? Are you located in Grayslake or something?

Hi Archie, one year at World of Wheels you had two Fiero cars that had Italian sports car looking bodies on them, got any pics? Are you located in Grayslake or something?


Those are his Fino and Finale body kits.
You can see them and his other products at www.v8archie.com
He is located in Machesney Park, IL Which is near Rockford, IL

I see the transmission worked out real well....

What would you expect with over 500 rwhp on a +20 year transaxle?
One of the reasons why mrtroyboy has opted to use a newer G6 6-spd.
Back in the day the getrag 5-spd's and the Muncie 4-spd's were fine with the 250 to 350 hp engines. +20 years and many miles later, adding twice the power, things are going to break. That will happen with any car not just Fiero's.

I'm looking into this company to see if they can modify the G6 f40 trans. I know they beef up transmissions for the SABB crew.
http://www.quaife.co.uk/Motorsport

Hi Archie, one year at World of Wheels you had two Fiero cars that had Italian sports car looking bodies on them, got any pics? Are you located in Grayslake or something?

Up until 3 years ago I was in the Lake Barrington area. now I'm up on the north side of Rockford. Got 8900 S.F. building up here for same $$$ as 2900 was in Lake Barrington. ;)

I'm not sure which cars you're talking about unless it's the Fino & Finale. they were by Peter Ashdown (< former F1 driver & Lola & Lotus Sports Car champ in Britian) I bought the business from him in 1999.

I've had several cars at WOW & at the "Vette Fest" over the years. They all had Chevy V-8's in them.

Here's a pic of the Finale at one of the WOW shows

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/MVC-874F.JPG

Here is the Fino, I think at WOW 2003

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/MVC-054F_1.JPG

I had my LT1 Stinger at McCormick Place several times.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/MVC-899F_1.JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/MVC-031F.JPG

I had my GT40 Replica at WOW one year. The only pic I can find now from WOW was with Bill Wildt from the TV show Motorsports Unlimited getting into it. He did one of his TV shows on that car a few months later.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/MSUTV2_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/KitCarCoverGT40c_(Small)_1.jpg

Here is my fav pic of it.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/XTurkey04_594.jpg

This is the car I'm showing locally this year, it has an LS1 in it.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN6578.JPG

Archie

OH MY GOD?! those fieros are SICK!!!

Yup the Fino and the Finale, that might have been the year I had my red '98 Formula there in the MFBA display.

I did some thread pruning. Keep the thread tech-focused that's the name of the game here.

That is insane. Can't wait to see the finish product. Get vid!

As a little bump to this thread.

While the car is out to paint, we're gathering parts & sending other parts out for metal finishing so we can get it back together as quickly as posible after it's painted.

Also, so you all don't worry about the LS7 getting lonely, we've got an LS3 & an LS376 in to keep it company.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN9054_(Small).JPG

They are all going into Fieros.

Archie

Nice family of engines you have there!

Nice family of engines you have there!

Yeah, I need an LS3 or LS376 for my demo car.

If some dealership or supplier wanted to donate the engine, I could put some of their decals on the side of my car.

But, I'll bet ya that all they send me is a Christmas card in December. :)

Archie

time for a little update, not much but the car is still out for paint.
Originally posted by Archie:

The coolant pipes, Front crossmember, engine cradle & a bunch of other parts came in from Powdercoating today.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN9542_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN9543_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN9544_(Small).JPG

Archie

update Originally posted by Archie:

The 1st of the Chrome parts has arrived from plating.

The coil racks & the valve covers.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN9708_(Small)_1.JPG

Archie

UN-fricken-believably-BAD-AZZ.

Great job guys!

a little update from Mark the painter AKA Firefox on the PFF forum
Originally posted by Firefox:


Ok...time for some entertainment.

Sorry the links for the pics are Down, I will repost

I sprayed one more coat of color after the last shot and the clear isn't shown in the pics. As I type here, there is another weather front moving in and we've got more heavy rain. I'm going to spray the last coat of clear in about 15 minutes and it'll be done for the night. It's looking great!

Mark the picture posting paint guy

I'm intrigued by the LS7 swap, but I have to say that I love those headlights. I'm sick of the problems with the pop-ups in my '87 GT. I've seen a kit for flush ones, but they look kind of plain and narrow.

Are they custom or modified from another car?

The lights are from a 2003 NSX

[QUOTE]
Darkhorizon If you don't mind keep your Archie bashing Sh*t to your self or start your own thread if you must. If you hate this setup so much why in the hell did you follow it here, build a better mouse trap or shut the f**k up. On the other forum you don't talk highly of V8 motors so why are you on a LS forum? [QUOTE]

Man, what a poser. I hate ricers that troll and try to destroy good forums.

I'm intrigued by the LS7 swap, but I have to say that I love those headlights. I'm sick of the problems with the pop-ups in my '87 GT. I've seen a kit for flush ones, but they look kind of plain and narrow.

Are they custom or modified from another car?

They are from an NSX-R. They are the the perfect light for the front of this car. We had to modify the hood & front bumper to mount them. One thing you have to remember this body kit that we modified to build into this car, has a Fiberglass nose. The stock Fiero has a soft plastic nose. We had to modify the nose quite a bit to put pockets into it to mount the lights. The plastic would be much more work to modify than the fiberglass nose was.

Here's a couple of pics from when we were modifying it...

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN2110_(Medium).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN2119_(Medium).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN2162_(Medium).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN2167_(Medium).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN2180_(Medium).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN2185_(Medium).JPG

Archie

Would like to know what mufflers your running it sounds really nice.


-Josh

Thanks for the info about the lights. The NSX mod is not something I might be able to do, but it's certainly food for thought in looking at other options.

Would like to know what mufflers your running it sounds really nice.


-Josh

with the old ZZ430 setup it was running cats and resonator tips, no mufflers.

Time for the old but new ZZ430 6spd setup to hit the chopping block :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200231813906


http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN9805.JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/7343_1.jpg

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN9835.JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN9814.JPG[/QUOTE]

^^Purty!

Thanks, it was a great setup but who can pass on an opportunity to swap in an LS7 :) . Now if only I could get the LS7 to look as nice.

Yeah... TPI looks great... but i almost forgot what that meant when the LSx's came out. The LS7 doesn't need to be dressed up to look good... it just looks good because it's a bad motha!

good luck keeping that tranny togethor. But I guess if you only put 159 miles on the car in a year, it should be ok.

I see your back under a new name Shaun Hamshit. You really need to get a life and stop trying to live mine. And as for the 159 miles It's hard to put miles on a car when it's in one shop getting a custom sound system and then back to Archie's for the LS7. :gtfo:

Shaun must be bored. Or not getting his ego stroked enough off of RFT. Banned again. :lol:

I actually feel sorry for you Shaun, I really think you need help. Try getting a job, earn an honest income and then pay who ever you wish to work on your car. And no, spending all day and night Googling Archie and Trolling his customers threads is not a job.

yep I am bored, and not getting my ego stroked enough.

You were banned for a reason. It means you were too annoying for anyone to want to deal with reasonably. Nobody here cares what you have to say and you're just coming across as an immature jealous little prick..

I'd like to apologize to the Forum for the resent rash of Fiero Trolls. It's unfortunate that people who hate must go out of their way to ruin a thread that was a simple, fun build thread until they showed up.

Back in Feb. 1999 I posted a message on one of the Fiero mailing lists that I was looking to hire some help in my shop.

This Shaun that you've been reading so much from lately sent me the following EMail


Quote:
----- Original Message -----
From: <Shaun41178@aol.com>
To: <Archie@v8archie.com>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechNet] Need Fiero People


>
> In a message dated 2/8/99 11:27:38 PM, you wrote:
>
> <<We have openings for 2 good people who know their way around Fieros and
> want make a few bucks working on Special Fieros.>>
>
> I am interested but don't live in the Chicago area, Toledo to be exact. I
> have done all the work on my fiero which includes removing engine from top,
> replacing fuel pump, heater core, etc. etc. as well as diagnosing problems for
> my Fiero as well as other local Fieros.
> I don't have any welding skills and the only painting I have done is pretty
> much with a paint can but am eager/willing to learn.
> Oh, I have to ask, how much money are you planning to pay your new employees
> when hired? I am definately interested in filling this position.
> You can see my webpage with includes some details of things that I have done
> to my Fiero if you like. http://members.aol.com/shaun41178
> Please let me know if you would like me to provide more information about
> myself if it will help you make your decision. Thank You.
> Shaun Hammitt
> Toledo OH

I declined his application for employment. He has pretty much been stalking me ever since. It started out with a bunch of nasty EMails & has progressed to what you're seeing now.

He stalks everyone of my customers he can find on the internet. In fact he'll go after anyone who he even thinks has a part of mine on his car.

I don't know how you get rid of stalkers, but I'm going be looking into it.

I know it sounds crazy but this guy is crazy. He's 32 years old & still can't get over being turned down for employment 9 years ago.

This guy has an obsession with me to where his life revolves around me. If you have any doubt about this, read just about any & all posts in this Forum http://realfierotech.com/phpBB/viewf...d10d0411fba08f

He even stalks my customers, just as you have seen in this thread. Still have doubts? Go search UTube for V-8 Fieros. The only V-8 Fiero owners there that don't have harassing comments from Shaunbag are the one's where comments have been removed &/or banned.

This kid is sick, He has no respect for himself or others. He couldn't care if what he says is true or if he gets booted off of any Forum as long as his trolling comments are left behind on the Forum after he's gone.

He's the kind of guy that if he was a student at any school, He'd be the 1st one you'd suspect that would be crazy enough to walk into a classroom & shoot it up.

Some may wonder why the trolls showed up here all of a sudden. One of your own long time members sent them over here. He started this thread (He uses the same Screen name here) http://realfierotech.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=12771

I can ignore these trolls, I've been doing it for years, but It's really not fair to have Troy's build thread ruined by a stalker.

So I'd strongly request that Shaun's comments be removed to a thread where he's not ruining someone elses' build thread.

Thanks

Archie

time for the mods to block his IP adress.

I don't know why his posts haven't been deleted if they are not adding anything to the OP's post. PM this sections moderator and ask him personally to do so.

Holy Sh*t This Is Crazy Nice Work!!!

First of all, this car is sick. I am not a huge fan of Fieros, but this is awesome. I love the body kit, interior, engine, headlights, wheels, and the fact that is gets people to say stupid things they can't back up. People love to think they can do stuff better that haven't even tried. I heard all the same stuff when I put an LS1 in my 84 T/A. The LS family of engines is the best ever made. To say this car won't get into the 10's or 11's are not that bright. Archie, hell of a job. I have some skills to, but this is amazing. I haven't seen anything in this thread, but are you doing anything to the motor? I don't want to seem like I know everything, but I read an article of a cam and header package in a LS7 making 225 extra horsepower. I have driven a Z06 with an LS7 and OMG. I can't imagine 225 more horsepower, or an LS7 in this car. Keep the good work going. Don't pay attention to the haters with no life. I am now accepting donations of any performance parts that you are now longer using. LOL. And BTW I think Troy, you are handling all the stupid criticism better than I would. I got mad when I heard that stuff too. But now I just laugh at them as my car rumbles past them. I'm sure you guys already have a hook up for GM parts, but I work at a Chevy dealer, and can get parts for cost. In case you need anything. Keep up the BA build.

wTf? its archie???? i talked to you a while ago when i did the stroker motor in my fiero.... nice to see you doing the ls7 swap, making the world a better place 1 fiero at a time lol, big fan of your work

I would have to say that last time that I thought fieros were cool is when I was about 10 years old in the late 80s-early 90s. Don't care for sleepers like the civette, but this one is great..

You car is completely bad ass, love the body kit. Good luck with the completion if you don't already have it done.

Thanks for all the nice comments guys.

One of the things that I find great about these various V-8 swaps into Fieros is that people who wouldn't give the Fiero a 2nd thought might now give a Fiero they see going down the road a 2nd look.

Next time you're driving down the road & you see a Fiero in a driveway, you may say to whomever is riding with you "You know, there are people who put LSx engines in those cars".

Just like everybody else here in the Conversions & Hybrids area, we seek to be different. You can buy the coolest & best of whatever kind of car that trips your trigger & it's only going to be coolest & best until next years model comes out. With a Hybrid the shelf life is a lot longer.

So thanks guys, I'm glad this project has given you a pause to give the Fiero a 2nd thought.

Archie

A little update on the LS7 Fiero swap from this end.

I have the CAI tubes ordered & they should be in tomorrow.

Talked to the people plating the transmission case late last week. They say they're a couple of weeks behind something about their nickel plating tank being down & no one can fix it?!?!? I told her we needed it for a upcoming show in late July (I told them the same thing when I dropped it off 7 weeks ago) She said, "What's your Drop Dead date?" I said "yesterday".

I talked to the Plastics plating place in FL about when the intake & Coil covers will be done. They said I'll have them in my place in about a week.

Been working on finding an Oil Tank for the Dry sump system. The Stock tank from the ZO6 is 8" in diameter & 24" tall. It's would have been impossible to package that in the room we have left to work with. That tank is pretty expensive & it would take some polishing to make it shine like it has to. So, I've talked to Peterson Fluid systems http://www.petersonfluidsys.com/tank_spec.html twice in the last 2 days. The tank that we're talking about is 9" in diameter & 16" tall. That's still a packaging nightmare for us. I need to mount it down as low as I can but the exhaust is going to take a lot of room in the rear. The guy I talked to at Peterson suggested that I could mount it up front, so I'm thinking on that too.

So tomorrow I gotta mockup a 9" X 16" cylinder & figure out a place to put it.

If anyone has any input on Dry Sump LS7 tanks in general & Peterson Fluid Systems in particular, let me know because I want to order this tomorrow if I can.

No word on the LSD from the U.K. Hope to see it soon.

Also, anyone know of a set of Power Steering hydraulic lines that I can run trhe length of the car to support the P.S. system?

That's it for tonight.

Archie

I have used stuff from these guys

http://www.grp4fabrications.com/aspProductCatalog/default.asp?cid=15


really nice craftsmanship.


The few Fiero's I have seen running a dry sump actually had custom tanks mounted behind the passenger seat. Like a lot of kids do with sub boxes.

as For PS. It was a project I intended on tackling and was told hi-psi hydraulic line will work great.


JM
86 GT Northstar POS
co builder of the worlds only rear engined , porsche trannied LS1 Corvair.

some pics from the painter to keep us occupied until the LS7 install
http://myfiero.com/uploads/12945_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/12946_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/12947_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/12948_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/12949_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/12950_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/12951_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/12952_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/12953_.jpg
http://myfiero.com/uploads/12954_.jpg

Originally posted by Archie:

The excitement builds......

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0315_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0317_(Small).JPG

:D nice Archie

more from Archie
Originally posted by Archie:

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0322_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0326_(Small).jpg

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0332_(Small).JPG

Archie

All dressed up and no place to go , Car still at paint shop.

WOW. Beautiful. Did I mention wow?

Thanks

That's an awesome conversion!

:hail::eek2::drool::rock::loco::shocked::naughty:: eek: and wow!

You should use some plexiglass, so we can see a little engine from outside.

That car should move pretty quick. Would like to see it completed. What's your goal completion date?

That car should move pretty quick. Would like to see it completed. What's your goal completion date?

Yesterday!!! j/k

Well the car is going to be in a car show in Pontiac Michigan on the 24, 25 and 26. But I don't think it will be 100% complete. I'm still waiting for the transmission case to come back from the chrome plating.

Where in pontiac is the car show im 30 min from there and would love to see your car.

Detroit Marriott at Centerpoint, 3600 Centerpoint Parkway, Pontiac MI.

I will post before the show to let you know if the car will make it. The painter is very slow and Archie may not Get the car back until monday, thats just three days to put the car back together. Archie is good but ...... :bang:

If it makes the show, we need to see pics from the show posted up! I like seeing these conversions. I grew up in the northwest chicago burbs, and used to have a 84 serial #4. Was white with chrome wheels. It was a 6 cyl that we swapped in a turbo 3.8 from a turbo reagal. Wish I still had her. If I can find someone with a scanner, Il post up a pic, but I have no digital pics. Good luck, and screw the haters.

The car show is a no go.

Yesterday!!! j/k

Well the car is going to be in a car show in Pontiac Michigan on the 24, 25 and 26. But I don't think it will be 100% complete. I'm still waiting for the transmission case to come back from the chrome plating.

Are you going to be at the Woodward Cruise? If so, any idea where you may be parked at? Would like to see the car in person.

Well, just post up as much as you can with the progress, and find a show somewhere when it is done and go to it and take pics. Even if it is a local cruise night or something.

That's one crazy build man! Awesome work

Update:
Originally posted by Archie:

Well while Mark takes a break from working on the Perfect Union, we have it back at the shop.

I trailered up to Mark's place sunday afternoon & picked it up.

We unloaded it from the trailer this morning & got to work.

Here it is just after we unloaded it....

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0393_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0394_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0397_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0400_(Small).JPG

We put it up on jackstands so we could hang some pretty parts on it.....

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0412_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0413_(Small).JPG

.....

More:
Originally posted by Archie:

I had a hard time picking out the pics, so here are 8 of them.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0438_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0440_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0441_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0452_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0458_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0463_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0467_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0468_(Small).JPG

Archie

Damn, thats alot of shine. Great looking build and attention to detail.

All the chrome is a little much and makes it look like the cheap plastic chrome you see on kids toys. But if thats what the customer wants then I guess thats what they get. Would be nice if the motor was more centered in the engine bay instead of shoved over to the pass side. But I guess no one can figure out how to make this happen.

All the chrome is a little much and makes it look like the cheap plastic chrome you see on kids toys. But if thats what the customer wants then I guess thats what they get. Would be nice if the motor was more centered in the engine bay instead of shoved over to the pass side. But I guess no one can figure out how to make this happen.

Well the customer is me and that's what I wanted, plus an LS7 even with chrome is far from your kids toy. If you know how to mount it more centered were open for suggestions, I'm sure you could figure out what to do with the tranny, useful help is always appreciated. May be you could post up pics of your LSX, I'm a junkie when it come to a good LSX install and would love to see it.

You know, after I thought about: It will be one of my toy's, and after it is done it will go into the toy box :D .

Well the customer is me and that's what I wanted, plus an LS7 even with chrome is far from your kids toy. If you know how to mount it more centered were open for suggestions, I'm sure you could figure out what to do with the tranny, useful help is always appreciated. May be you could post up pics of your LSX, I'm a junkie when it come to a good LSX install and would love to see it.

You know, after I thought about: It will be one of my toy's, and after it is done it will go into the toy box :D .

Well I just happen to be workin on a LS4 install into my 88 GT at this time. Of course I am using the 65E trans is came with so I dont have to worry about killing the trans. I am doing all the work myself(Minus Engine Harness) so I work on it when I get a chance. I dont really have a reason to look into movin the setup over being it has already been done by others and I would never use a manuel trans on a high HP motor. My install came out centered but it is off from side to side by 1/4 inch as you can see in the picture. It is back out now and getting straightened up. The motor is installed using poly mounts with the addition of mounting pads added to the cradle for the engine mount. Hopefully the swap will be done in a month or so and on the road to work out any bugs. After a few months it will come out for some upgrades.

LS4 Test Fit:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/MstangsBware/LS4Install015.jpg



3800SC Install:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/MstangsBware/GenV013.jpg

Well I just happen to be workin on a LS4 install into my 88 GT at this time. Of course I am using the 65E trans is came with so I dont have to worry about killing the trans. I am doing all the work myself(Minus Engine Harness) so I work on it when I get a chance. I dont really have a reason to look into movin the setup over being it has already been done by others and I would never use a manuel trans on a high HP motor. My install came out centered but it is off from side to side by 1/4 inch as you can see in the picture. It is back out now and getting straightened up. The motor is installed using poly mounts with the addition of mounting pads added to the cradle for the engine mount. Hopefully the swap will be done in a month or so and on the road to work out any bugs. After a few months it will come out for some upgrades.

LS4 Test Fit:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/MstangsBware/LS4Install015.jpg



3800SC Install:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/MstangsBware/GenV013.jpg

LS4 and 3800SC cute motors, both will be faster than a stock fiero , good luck on your install and thanks for the pics. Some people may hate your swaps and try to undermine your hard work and efforts just ignore them I do ;)

All the chrome is a little much and makes it look like the cheap plastic chrome you see on kids toys. But if thats what the customer wants then I guess thats what they get. Would be nice if the motor was more centered in the engine bay instead of shoved over to the pass side. But I guess no one can figure out how to make this happen.

Well I just happen to be workin on a LS4 install into my 88 GT at this time. Of course I am using the 65E trans is came with so I dont have to worry about killing the trans. I am doing all the work myself(Minus Engine Harness) so I work on it when I get a chance. I dont really have a reason to look into movin the setup over being it has already been done by others and I would never use a manuel trans on a high HP motor. My install came out centered but it is off from side to side by 1/4 inch as you can see in the picture. It is back out now and getting straightened up. The motor is installed using poly mounts with the addition of mounting pads added to the cradle for the engine mount. Hopefully the swap will be done in a month or so and on the road to work out any bugs. After a few months it will come out for some upgrades.



You've been around Fieros since at least 2002 when you joined the Pennocks Fiero Forum. So what I'm about to tell you, you should already know. Maybe you're just ignoring the facts so you can pound your chest about your install.

If that's the case, I'd suggest you start your own thread on your LS4 install.

As you already know Troy prefers a stick shift. I also prefer stick shifts & I don't care if a stick shift is a full second slower than an automatic. A sports car type car, IMHO is no fun to drive without stirring your own gears.

It's never been my goal to build the fastest Fiero on the planet, it's my goal to build cars I like to drive.

You talk about centering the engine in the engine compartment. If you look at any FWD transverse engined car like the Impala that your LS4 driveline came out of, the engines are not centered in the engine compartment. Instead the entire driveline (engine & transmission) are centered in the engine compartment. If you look in a stock Fiero engine compartment, you'll see that the driveline is centered in the car not the engine. The only reason the engine looks to be more in the center is because it's 2 cylinders less.

I note that you didn't show a picture of your LS4 from the rear of the car but on your 6 banger, if you look at the relationship of the valve covers to the decklid hinge boxes, you can see that the engine is not in the center of the car. Also if that install was with an engine that was 2 cylinders bigger, it would appear to be even more off center to the right.

Now as far as this driveline is concerned. The total length of the engine/transmission assembly is 39.45" long. The total width of the Fiero engine compartment at the Centerline of the crankshaft is 39.25" wide. So this driveline is as centered in the engine compartment as it can be without moving the frame rails outboard. On this swap the rear cylinder head (without the Coil Cover) clears the right side shock tower by a couple of inches & there’s plenty of room for everything else. So we’re satisfied with the result. It has always been the goal of every hot rodder interested in hybrid swaps to pack as much engine into a car as that car will take. That's what hot rodding is all about.

You're statement advocates having the engine centered in the compartment. If GM, Ford, Honda or any other manufacturer had that policy as a standard, then almost all transverse FWD cars would be several inches wider.

The LS4 is a cool swap if you’re into automatics. More power to you. You should start your own thread on this forum, you’ll find that the members here will be very supportive & won’t diss you because of your choices for your car.

This thread on LS1Tech has been very revealing to me. The members of LS1Tech & especially those that read the hybrid section, have been very accepting of this & many other deviations from the norm. The only people that have been making negative comments on the Chrome or any of the other personal choices made by Troy have been so called “Fiero lovers” that could have made those comments on any of the Fiero forums. But instead they decided to take their hatred of other Fiero owners & their choices outside of the Fiero world for all to see.

Then those same people will go back within the Fiero community & complain that the Fiero gets no respect from the outside world.

Is it any wonder?

Archie

Archie,

I love your comments. I have never owned a Fiero, but I can say, what you do with these cars is just great. I am not sure it is sane, or safe...but who am I to argue those points? :D Keep it up, Cool little cars with big engines will always be cool to see and play with.

Orlando

i got a couple of friends with fieros, either with straight 3800's or 3800SC's they are badass lil cars

Back on topoic with more updates:
Originally posted by Archie:


We worked on installing steering rack & fitting the P.S. lines, I know exactly what fittings I'll need to hook up the P.S. when final assembly time comes.

We came up with what I think wll be the ideal location for the Dry Sump tank & P.S. resovoir. I'll be discussing that with Troy tomorrow.

We did some preliminary work on the spot brakes, now we can make the mounting brackets for them while Mark is finishing painting on the car.

Then we got some wheels mounted on it so we could put it on the rack & start fitting the exhaust parts.

The Pypes mufflers came in today & I gotta tell you that there's one big 3" hole right thru the middle of them.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0471_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0474_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0480_(Small).JPG

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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0485_(Small).JPG

Archie

the chrome is a little much but that engine in that car is priceless. hell i used to have and 86 with a 4 cyl and that car was a blast to drive. this thing will be a handfull.

The seats and the transmission case came in today:
Originally posted by Archie:


http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0626_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0627_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0646_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0628_(Small).JPG

Archie

I still can't believe that engine fits in there. I'm looking forward to some videos!

Update:

Originally posted by Archie:

Finalized the exhaust on the car today......

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/0051.jpg

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0063_(Small).JPG

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Then we took it out get it ready to send to plating later this week.

Notice the equalizer pipe & notice that the tips & mufflers are clamp on because they will not be going to plating.

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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0100_(Small).JPG

Archie

More:

Originally posted by Archie:

I don't really know how to do a sound clip.

I do know how to post a video to UTube.

Considering that a video includes sound, we decided to try a sound clip on video.

So I'm just testing the sound, pay no attention to the video part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQLut_i6t8s

Archie :D






:jest:

lol so what kind of drill was that?

Damn you are crazy. best one I have ever scene was a S/C'd 3.8

update:
Originally posted by Archie:

Mark (FireFox) brought us a present today.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0205_(Small).JPG

This is the side you'll see from underneath the car.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0207_(Small).JPG

I wish there was a way to tell you how beautiful the paint actually is.

Archie

more:
Originally posted by Archie:

when Mark was here on Saturday, we talked about some of the stuff we could go ahead & finish installing & that he would mask around.

So today we installed the gas tank, water pipes & heater box. They also made the 1/4 panel vent grills. Rob started installing the A/C tubes that run the length of the car however one of them was badly corroded, so we stole one off of one of my Fiero of dream cars. Then cleaned them all up & now we need to get some new insulation for them before we put them in.

They also polished the 2 pipes coming out of the heater box, Rob also is in the process of polishing the rest of the A/C componets that go under the front hood.

I had to take my wife into Rush for her monthly treatment today so I didn't get any in process pics. Here are a few pics I took this afternoon.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0213_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0214_(Small).JPG

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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0220_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0226_(Small).JPG

More pics tomorrow.

Archie

more 2:
Originally posted by Archie:

A bit of an update.

The last couple of days we've been working on the underside of the car.

We put the A/C lines, Heater pipes, battery cables & P.S. lines along either side of the newly painted gas tank.

Then we put the car on the floor to slightly modify the rear clip to make it easier to remove.

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Also put a new double wall floor in the trunk area.

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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0269_(Small).JPG

With the engine out of the car, we're working on the McChuck project.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0278_(Small).JPG

We're also moving & lowering the location where the wire harness passes thru the bulkhead, so the wires will be out of the way as much as we can have them.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0265_(Small).JPG

To make clearance for the lines running to the P.S. pump, we had to make a slight bubble to the forward bulkhead.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0272_(Small)_2.JPG

Right now the schedule has us returning this car to Mark next Monday to finish the paint job.

Archie

more 3:

Originally posted by Archie:

Rob started building the sheet metal panels for the engine compartment today.

There is a small "U" channel down at the bottom to hold the panel & some ST Sheel metal screws at the top edge to hold it in place.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0289_(Small).JPG

You can also see that he built a box around the hinge box on the drivers side.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0290_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0291_(Small).JPG

Having a Sheet Metal Brake & a Plasma Cutter are really handy sometimes.

This is just the beginning on making these parts. We will still need to put some holes into them when we route the route the Shift cables, ECM wires, hoses etc. This is why we lowered the openings where the harness will pass thru the bulkhead. We will be trying to hide as much of the wires, hoses & cables behind the covers as we can. However this will not be 100% complete until final assembly when we can mount the engine for the last time & hook everything up.

When finished, these will be painted to match the rest of the engine compartment.

Then we put the engine assembly back into the car to check for fit on the shield & to start figuring out where to mount the Electric W/P, P.S. tank, CAI, Oil Tank & several other things. Later panels will be built to the other exposed side panels.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0299_(Small).JPG

The P.S. pump comes close to the bulkhead, so the shield will have to work it's way around that area.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0298_(Small).JPG

The CAI, Oil Tank, Shift Cables & any number of wires have to occupy this corner.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0302_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0303_(Small).JPG

We also worked on midifying the dash today to allow mounting of those nice Cup Holders.

Kris came up with a good way to mount them. Then modified the bottom edge of the dash & fiberglassed it all from the inside.
Here he's filling & sanding the new face of the dash.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0296_(Small).JPG

Archie

very cool....I can't wait to see it finished!

sometimes it's the little things that count. Originally posted by Archie:

Kris finished up the installation of the cup holders today.

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Rob has been on this car pretty much straight thru since the 25th show.

So today I let him work on something else for a change of pace.

Archie

Ahh More parts arrive:
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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0360_(Small).JPG

What wheels r those? SPecs and brand PLEASE!

What wheels r those? SPecs and brand PLEASE!

They are HRE 541R front 19 x 8.5 and rear 20 x 12

http://www.hrewheels.com/wheels.php?q=/540R/541R/

update:
Originally posted by Archie:

Also today we worked out the positioning of the oil tank & are almost done with the mounting brackets.

We wrapped the tank in plastic wrap to prevent scratches.

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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0378_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0380_(Small).JPG

It just barely fits in there. If the tank was a half inch larger in diameter, it wouldn't fit. Between the frame rail, transmission case & the forward bulkhead, you couldn't move the tank a quarter inch in any direction without hitting something.

Archie

i just dont understand how the transmission will work where and how is the passenger side axle ran?

i just dont understand how the transmission will work where and how is the passenger side axle ran?

It's using a transaxle

i just dont understand how the transmission will work where and how is the passenger side axle ran?

The engine is mounted transversly similar to this ZZ-430 Clone.

So the Right side axle runs to the right side along side what would normally be the right side of the engine block.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN9838.JPG

Archie

what's new?:
QUOTE]Originally posted by Archie:


Ok, the lights came in & we have some pics.

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For the light beams to be pointed straight down the road, the edges indicated by arrows need to be pointed forward on the car.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0386_(Small)_1.JPG

We think that the top part of the light (covered in cardboard) is an area that is covered up by the hood or other bodywork in the light's original application.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0413_(Small)_1.JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0415_(Small).JPG

More pics in a few minutes...

[/QUOTE]

more:
Originally posted by Archie:

We're thinking the the area of the light assembly that is covered with the cardboard above, is going to have to be mounted up into the top wall of the top scoop area. (see arrow)

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0395_(Small).JPG

For the lenses to be pointed in the right direction the lights will have to be mounted in deeper on the outside end & shallow on the inboard end.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0390_(Small).JPG

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More pics

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0401_(Small).JPG

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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0403_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0405_(Small).JPG

Enjoy

Archie

more:
Originally posted by troyboy:

It's a go Archie we are just going to have to tweak it, First we have to shorten it like the VW boys do. pic and link:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/jbsawyer23/5182_a6-l-117_1.jpg
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3866611

mount the light for the best fit to the front end, they are more of a daytime/ accent light, so if the light is not pointing perfectly straight it's ok they are not fog or driving lights. pics:

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/jordan_327/img1546zm1-1.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2274/2200654744_a6e377f62f_b.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/jbsawyer23/DSC00529.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/jbsawyer23/DSC00528.jpg
in the pics the lights are mounted for best fit to the VW nose, they are not perfectly straight like the Audi but still look good IMO.

we will use these to light up the road :D
http://images.autoanything.com/images/products/med/lights/hella_micro_de_xenon_light_kit.jpg

more:
Originally posted by Archie:

The first pics of the fitting of the lights.

Please note that we are currently moving the inboard end of the light forward about 1/4", that's as far as we can go.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0454_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0457_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0458_(Small)_1.JPG

Once again, a mod that looks like it's going to come out great.

Troy, call me if you can.

Archie

more:
Originally posted by Archie:

The opening isn't wide enough for all 5 bulbs to show but it still looks great.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0461_(Small).JPG

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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0469_(Small).JPG

Cool build, thanks for the close up of the dry sump pan!

update:
Originally posted by Archie:

Well, as of this afternoon the Perfect Union is in the Trailer ready to back to Mark's.

The CAI has been routed.

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The grills in the hood......the green tape identifies each grill on the car because we have to remove all of them before the paint.

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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0583_(Small).JPG

A little look at the lights....

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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0613_(Small).JPG

They came out before we loaded it too.

A little mirror mod.....

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0617_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0620_(Small).JPG

Archie

That is going to be awesome, people will see your car and say "ricer" and do a launch at the light, then half a second later hear a v-8 get quieter and quieter in the distance.

Nice project.

Car looks like it needs to be lower or is it just me?

Car looks like it needs to be lower or is it just me?

Right now, the car is on rollers & has a temporary suspension on it while it's at the paint shop.

All the good, suspension, springs, tires & wheels will go back on it when it's back from paint.

Archie

nice progress

holy shit man this is one crazy ass build I never really like fiero's but i think you just changed my mind about them glwb!!!!!!:D:D

Archie....that car is amazing.

You da man.

That is the best looking Fiero ever. Looks awesome and is mean as hell.

Nice work, I'm looking forward to seeing the finished car!

Are those fixed headlights you have custom or just aftermarket? Great build so far. What color are you going to be going with this time? I would love to see that thing out on a road course.

Are those fixed headlights you have custom or just aftermarket? Great build so far. What color are you going to be going with this time? I would love to see that thing out on a road course.

The head lights are from an 2004 Acura NSX-R . The color is the same as you see in the engine bay pic Pearl Orange from the 2006 Lamborghini Murcielago.

small update:

Originally posted by Archie:


Progress pics.

The exhaust pipes came back from heat coating today.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0105_(Small).JPG

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0106_(Small).JPG

update:
Originally posted by Archie:

The polished metal for the decklid mirrors came in yesterday. Today we finalized the method we will use to mount them after the decklid is finished at painting.

This polished metal only comes in 24" x 24" square pcs. & we needed pcs. that were about 26" long so we had to cut 2 pcs. diagonally out of each sheet.

These pics should show you some of the process, we will finish this tomorrow & I'll shoot some pics before we remove it all & set it asside until final assembly.

Note: the polished metal has a blue tinted protective film on it right now.

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0178_(Small)_1.JPG

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http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSCN0186_(Small).JPG

Archie

more:
Originally posted by Archie:

Finished it up today.

Hey Mark, give me a call & we'll figure out the best time to get the decklid back to you.

Archie

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Thread purged of losers' nonsense... Really Shaun, grow up and get a life. There are much better things to do than to hound Archie. Go outside and enjoy the weather. I'll keep banning you every time you show up. I still got lots of bans left in my hammer. Archie, send me a PM if he posts in here again, I'll clean it up and ban him again no problem.

Thread purged of losers' nonsense... Really Shaun, grow up and get a life. There are much better things to do than to hound Archie. Go outside and enjoy the weather. I'll keep banning you every time you show up. I still got lots of bans left in my hammer. Archie, send me a PM if he posts in here again, I'll clean it up and ban him again no problem.

Thank You.

I'd like to apologize to the Forum for the Fiero Trolls. It's unfortunate that people who hate must go out of their way to ruin a thread that was a simple, fun build thread until they showed up.

Back in Feb. 1999 I posted a message on one of the Fiero mailing lists that I was looking to hire some help in my shop.

This Shaun applied for that job & was turned down.

He's been stalking me ever since. He's 30 years old & has wasted the last 9 years of his life with his obsession.

So, I do apologize.

Now back to the build.

Archie

The paint is coming along...

http://www.v8archie.com/pip/DSC04771_1.jpg

I was just wondering what new progess has been made.

Thanks
Dave

sweet ass swap

I was just wondering what new progess has been made.

Thanks
Dave

Right now, we're just waiting for the paint job being completed.

Then the reassembly begins.

Archie

Archie you dont happen to have the dimenstions of the LS with the G6 transmission on it. Just curious.

:corn: flippin' sweet build.

I saw this thread and I knew Archie had to be involved!

For the record, Archie helped me a do a V8 Fiero about 8 years ago. The parts were top quality and the support was outstanding. The only thing I regret is not keeping the car longer, as I got tired of chewing up TH-125c's!