Automotive News, Media & Press - MotorTrend GTR acceleration tests...

0-30 1.2 sec
0-40 1.7
0-50 2.4
0-60 3.2
0-70 4.2
0-80 5.3
0-90 6.5
0-100 8
0-110 9.7
0-120 11.6
0-130 14.1
Passing, 45-65 mph 1.6 sec
Quarter mile 11.6 sec @ 120.0 mph
100-0MPH 280ft


In comparison the Z06 tests done by MT
0-30 1.7
0-40 2.3
0-50 2.9
0-60 3.8
0-70 4.5
0-80 5.4
0-90 6.6
0-100 7.8
Passing 45-65 Mph 1.5 sec
Quarter Mile 11.7 @ 125.2 mph
100-0MPH 320ft

Wow.
You just refuse to quit, huh?
We get it. It's a quick car.
You can stop being a 'pimp for Japan' (along with your banned cohort, castillo,pssonu,suprastarz,tundralover,TOYboy,25/45/infinitypsi,datsunsan,etc. did I leave any user/side names out??! :lol:) now, it's OK.

That being said, I would STILL rather have the Z than your object of worship. :usa:

0-30 1.2 sec
0-40 1.7
0-50 2.4
0-60 3.2
0-70 4.2
0-80 5.3
0-90 6.5
0-100 8
0-110 9.7
0-120 11.6
0-130 14.1
Passing, 45-65 mph 1.6 sec
Quarter mile 11.6 sec @ 120.0 mph
100-0MPH 280ft


In comparison the Z06 tests done by MT
0-30 1.7
0-40 2.3
0-50 2.9
0-60 3.8
0-70 4.5
0-80 5.4
0-90 6.6
0-100 7.8
Passing 45-65 Mph 1.5 sec
Quarter Mile 11.7 @ 125.2 mph
100-0MPH 320ft
your calculations are WRONG THIS IS MOTOR TRENS #'s



0-60 mph
Porsche 911 GT2 3.4 sec
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 3.5 sec
Dodge Viper SRT-10 3.7 sec
Ferrari F430 F1 3.7 sec
Lamborghini Gallardo 3.8 sec
Quarter mile
Porsche 911 GT2 11.4 sec @ 127.9 mph
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 11.5 sec @ 127.1 mph
Dodge Viper SRT-10 11.7 sec @ 124.4 mph
Ferrari F430 F1 11.7 sec @ 122.8 mph
Lamborghini Gallardo 12.1 sec @ 116.3 mph

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0805_2008_porsche_911_GT2_first_test/specifications.html

your calculations are WRONG THIS IS MOTOR TRENS #'s



0-60 mph
Porsche 911 GT2 3.4 sec
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 3.5 sec
Dodge Viper SRT-10 3.7 sec
Ferrari F430 F1 3.7 sec
Lamborghini Gallardo 3.8 sec
Quarter mile
Porsche 911 GT2 11.4 sec @ 127.9 mph
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 11.5 sec @ 127.1 mph
Dodge Viper SRT-10 11.7 sec @ 124.4 mph
Ferrari F430 F1 11.7 sec @ 122.8 mph
Lamborghini Gallardo 12.1 sec @ 116.3 mph

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0805_2008_porsche_911_GT2_first_test/specifications.html

No. I didnt say they havnt done other tests...I just posted the results I found on MTs website.

oh well...factor in price...and looks. The Z will own it non-stop. not to mention the 5 MPH higher trap speed

and yes i realize they have close to the same MSRP, but no way in hell will ithe GTR sell NEAR MSRP

at Sacramento Raceway. 11.8 118mph.

http://www.dragtimes.com/2009-Nissan-GT-R-Videos-14966.html

No. I didnt say they havnt done other tests...I just posted the results I found on MTs website.

you need to check out the link in the thread i wrote, titled WOW.

you need to check out the link in the thread i wrote, the white lie

Yeah the GTR is actualy making about 500-510HP so being about 20-30HP underrated. Sounds a lot like the LS1 Fbodys :)

Motor Trends GTR photo gallery:
http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0804_2009_nissan_gtr_photo_gallery/photo_01.html
http://images.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0803_43z+2009_nissan_GT-R+front_view.jpg

absolutely hideous

i'm sorry but you are still uderrating it, the average drive train loss is 17%, an AWD is usually more say 20% to 25%, the numbers don't lie. plus the weight of this car kills it, i had much respect for nissan until this.

The new skyline is fast...but it is slower than the C6Z...the C6Z's substantially higher trap speed says a lot.

Put both of them in the hands of good drivers and the new Skyline is going to be dead, period.

I do not think the C6Z is getting .17 drivetrain loss...I may be wrong not trying to start a fight over that...but I thought it was somewhere around .15 and a solid axle usually around .12. If I am wrong please correct me. Thanks!!!

W

Oh, and the Skylines looks are starting to grow on me...but it is no C6Z!!!

W

id go for the c6z

Did anybody else hear-


Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, .........

Yeah the GTR is actualy making about 500-510HP so being about 20-30HP underrated. Sounds a lot like the LS1 Fbodys :)

Motor Trends GTR photo gallery:
http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0804_2009_nissan_gtr_photo_gallery/photo_01.html
http://images.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0803_43z+2009_nissan_GT-R+front_view.jpg

Damn, I think it actually just got less appealing to me...

That "chin" needs to go backwards toward the wheels like the R34's, but keep the splitter...This car just looks too...un-Skyline-y to really get my blood moving. Don't really like it anymore...

Wait, that's what it reminds me of...one of those generic ugly sports cars from Burnout Revenge...

0-30 1.2 sec
0-40 1.7
0-50 2.4
0-60 3.2
0-70 4.2
0-80 5.3
0-90 6.5
0-100 8
0-110 9.7
0-120 11.6
0-130 14.1
Passing, 45-65 mph 1.6 sec
Quarter mile 11.6 sec @ 120.0 mph
100-0MPH 280ft


In comparison the Z06 tests done by MT
0-30 1.7
0-40 2.3
0-50 2.9
0-60 3.8
0-70 4.5
0-80 5.4
0-90 6.6
0-100 7.8
Passing 45-65 Mph 1.5 sec
Quarter Mile 11.7 @ 125.2 mph
100-0MPH 320ft

So basically it's neck and neck with the Z06 and (if anyone ever pays sticker) costs about $10g more.

Objectively, it's a sweet car, no doubt. But they did miss the bullseye by just a bit...the Z06 still retains it's title.

Subjectively, it looks like a pissed of Shih-Tzu...and thanks to the multitude of posts about this car, it's equally as annoying.

I guess this is really all a mute point now, seeing as the Z06 is already the old model.

Did anybody else hear-


Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, .........

yeah thats what i got too. Redbeauty and chrissy should make another site where people can go to worship japanese cars and make a new GTR thread everyday if they want to

yeah thats what i got too. Redbeauty and chrissy should make another site where people can go to worship japanese cars and make a new GTR thread everyday if they want to

Anybody want to organize a team of guys to spread out and innundate every nissan forum on the net with every tidbit of info on the ZR1 when it hits the streets? I'm down for that!

I think someone with the skillz to do it needs to create a new smiley that is a mallet with the letters "GTR" on it pounding the little yellow smiley guy in the head. I think that reflects most of our opinions on this subject.

I think we should be better than those assholes. Though I do like the idea for a Bad Boys Corvette Racing skull bashing a GTR with a mallet!!!

W

oh well...factor in price...and looks. The Z will own it non-stop. not to mention the 5 MPH higher trap speed

:lol: What? You'd take a corvette over that masterpiece they call the GTR? Wow.. The GTR is simply stunning

:lol: What? You'd take a corvette over that masterpiece they call the GTR? Wow.. The GTR is simply stunning

^ This is coming from a guy who tries to compare hp/l, go figure :eyes:

Whats a GTR?

Whats a GTR?

Goofey Turkey Roaster I think.

"Green jacket, Gold jacket... Who gives a shit???"

Anybody want to organize a team of guys to spread out and innundate every nissan forum on the net with every tidbit of info on the ZR1 when it hits the streets? I'm down for that!

I think someone with the skillz to do it needs to create a new smiley that is a mallet with the letters "GTR" on it pounding the little yellow smiley guy in the head. I think that reflects most of our opinions on this subject.

Man that is one nice looking Bird you have there :D

the #'s are good, but tell the world it only has 480 crank HP when you know it has more, and don't give me that bull about GM did it, 17% rear wheel drivetrain lose not to mention AWD train lose.

They keep on and we will bring the ZR1 to the fight. Then Nissan will take there ass back to japan with there tail between there leg's.

ummm notice the 5mph higher trap speed by the z06? yeah that means it will own it pretty damn good from a roll.....especially if it were to go all out topend.

c6z > gtr IMO

^ In a straight line.

^ This is coming from a guy who tries to compare hp/l, go figure :eyes:

That is pretty ricer.

These threads are always fun to read, a good laugh every time. Doesn't matter, that car is just ugly, fast yes, but it's aim is still for the ricer fan boys.

I tried stirring up a few nissan boys, but i guess i failed. I don't want to waste my time on registering on a nissan forum and stir up trouble oh well.

These threads are always fun to read, a good laugh every time. Doesn't matter, that car is just ugly, fast yes, but it's aim is still for the ricer fan boys.

I guess I'm a ricer fanboy since I would love to buy it. :(

I tried stirring up a few nissan boys, but i guess i failed. I don't want to waste my time on registering on a nissan forum and stir up trouble oh well.

Ha, funny you mentioned that. I've registered on Nissan forums, and they are the most biased pieces of shit, bar none! Someone would post a dubious kill, like a Z32 BPU beating a new Z06, and then you try to tell them it must have been the result of the Z06 driver driving poorly, followed by everybody flaming you saying the car could do it! :eyes:

I will never join another Nissan forum again!

The Mitsubishi ones are pretty good... Some cool people like on here.

ummm notice the 5mph higher trap speed by the z06? yeah that means it will own it pretty damn good from a roll.....especially if it were to go all out topend.

c6z > gtr IMO

Well it's a good thing that drag racing is from a stop :lol:

If a good driver were driving the C6Z it could make up for those pisspoor Motor Trend launches.

W

I'm sick of this "under rathed" crap. The car makes 430ish whp on a dynojet(less than a Z06 btw) and weighs a lot more.
The Z06 will consistently trap 5-7mph more than a stock car, and be much faster "from a roll", which is all that matters on the street.

I'm sick of this "under rathed" crap. The car makes 430ish whp on a dynojet(less than a Z06 btw) and weighs a lot more.
The Z06 will consistently trap 5-7mph more than a stock car, and be much faster "from a roll", which is all that matters on the street.
And with the right driver, will more than handily make up for the handicap afford it by the AWD.

Kinda looks ok, but really looks like a 350Z with a factory craptacular body kit.

id go for the c6z

Now thats what im talking about. :chug:

I don't see the problem with Nissan underrating the car...GM has done it forever...no big deal. The fact remains that the Z06 is still faster where it counts - in a straight line. Someday when highways are shaped like autocross courses, it'll be a different story. But for the time being, when 9/10 races occur at 70mph+ on a highway or at a stoplight sitting before a flat straight stretch of road, the Z06 reigns queen until her big supercharged sister takes that title and probably most others along with it.

Besides, the Z06 has proven that it can hang with and (in some cases) even best the GTR on some of the world's toughest circuits. So in reality, the GTR is just another pretty quick import. Remember...it doesn't matter how close you came...you either win, or you don't.

0-30 1.2 sec
0-40 1.7
0-50 2.4
0-60 3.2
0-70 4.2
0-80 5.3
0-90 6.5
0-100 8
0-110 9.7
0-120 11.6
0-130 14.1
Passing, 45-65 mph 1.6 sec
Quarter mile 11.6 sec @ 120.0 mph
100-0MPH 280ft

In comparison the Z06 tests done by MT
0-30 1.7
0-40 2.3
0-50 2.9
0-60 3.8
0-70 4.5
0-80 5.4
0-90 6.6
0-100 7.8
0-110 ?
0-120 ?
0-130 ?
Passing 45-65 Mph 1.5 sec
Quarter Mile 11.7 @ 125.2 mph
100-0MPH 320ft

Am I the only one who thinks it's ironic that the Z06's times to 110/120/130mph is conveniently missing? Over 100mph seems to be about the point the ZO6 starts handing the GTR it's ass. :nod:

And with the right driver, will more than handily make up for the handicap afford it by the AWD.

Kinda looks ok, but really looks like a 350Z with a factory craptacular body kit.

Could you make anymore excuses? I mean jesus guys. ITS FASTER FROM A STOP. That's all that matters. Caring how it does from a roll just makes you sound like a ricer.

BTW - Just wait till we see what it will do with a tune and some more boost. :D

Could you make anymore excuses? I mean jesus guys. ITS FASTER FROM A STOP. That's all that matters. Caring how it does from a roll just makes you sound like a ricer.

BTW - Just wait till we see what it will do with a tune and some more boost. :D

Um wow an AWD car beat a RWD torque monster out of the hole OMG

look at the numbers, even with the shitty launch the Z06 manages to stick all that power throught 2 wheels and hold onto the GTR which has the advantage of 4 wheels

The C6Z is still king

Period

I'm never going to win this argument so just make excuses for the Z and blast the GTR :lol:

I wave the....

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3587219/2/istockphoto_3587219_white_flag_with_clipping_path. jpg

Could you make anymore excuses? I mean jesus guys. ITS FASTER FROM A STOP FOR MAGAZINE RACERS. That's all that matters. Caring how it does from a roll just makes you sound like a ricer.

Fixed it for ya.

BTW - Just wait till we see what it will do with a tune and some more boost. :D

Everyone on here is talking bone f'ing stock. C6 Z06es have gone certified high 10s already like that (STOCK).
Stating the "tune & boost" arguement makes YOU sound like a ricer (which I guess you were before owning your present car).

Fixed it for ya.



Everyone on here is talking bone f'ing stock. C6 Z06es have gone certified high 10s already like that (STOCK).
Stating the "tune & boost" arguement makes YOU sound like a ricer (which I guess you were before owning your present car).

Tell yourself whatever it takes to make yourself feel better. Z06 got owned by a twin turbo V6. Boy that 7L is king of the hill eh? :lol: :lol:

Technology > Cubic inches

"Gratuitous" supra owner comment inserted

^^^^

You really want to challenge Pissy Chrissy & RedBeauty84ZX for the outright #1 import fanboy/defender title on here, right??
You just moved up into the #1 spot for import fanboyzz that currently own a domestic.
It was a hard fought battle between yourself and Stopsign 32V, I Run Elevens, etc. but you prevailed!! :cool: :thumb:

ALL hail COD!!! :hail:

Could you make anymore excuses? I mean jesus guys. ITS FASTER FROM A STOP. That's all that matters. Caring how it does from a roll just makes you sound like a ricer.

And you don't sound ANYTHING like a ricer :eyes:

Just wanted to point out that you are incorrect...despite the fact that the Z06 has a disadvantage in that only two tires are powered, even from a stop, it is still faster than the GTR. It is 0.2 faster to 100mph and certainly only widens the gap from that point on.

So to put it in a clearer perspective...not even a twin tubo AWD technology show can outrun the "archaic" Z06.

I can sympathize with import fans on this one. Their hero has fallen short of our hero...and our hero is even a lame duck at this point. Nissan couldn't catch last year's fastest vette. Wait until this year's fastest vette hits the streets. It's over people. Learn that and move on.

Tell yourself whatever it takes to make yourself feel better. Z06 got owned by a twin turbo V6. Boy that 7L is king of the hill eh? :lol: :lol:

Technology > Cubic inches

Just wanted to throw this in too...you're wrong again...

"Technology" in this case falls on it's relative face just before 100mph whereas "Cubic inches" keeps on crankin hard as it shows it's tail to "technology".

So to fix your comparison...

Cubic inches > pretty much anything else

:corn:

Thats a decent RICEMOBILE, I still wouldn't buy one. Its in a totally different category of car, than any F-Body or Vett. So whats your point of posting this garbage here? I have to say this, Im a car guy not a badge whore, i like cars period, but this is not the site to post this car!

hmmm, and we will have to get some real comparos of the GTR vs the Z on an actual track as well. Being confident the Z06 will walk it through the quarter i think this should be the GTR's chance to make it up. Magazine numbers are crap anyway. i got my money on the Z06....and the GTR is far from a "masterpiece". Howerver, for how hideous it is, its still quick


EDIT: ZR1. /thread.

:lol: What? You'd take a corvette over that masterpiece they call the GTR? Wow.. The GTR is simply stunning

Yes, Yes i would.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y-Fq306rzI&eurl=http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=ranger+Z06&n=21&ei=utf-8&fr=yfp-t-501&tnr=20&js=1/THREAD

Heres another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=469NvIOiz7U&feature=related


Your welcome:D

Tell yourself whatever it takes to make yourself feel better. Z06 got owned by a twin turbo V6. Boy that 7L is king of the hill eh? :lol: :lol:

Technology > Cubic inches

"Gratuitous" supra owner comment inserted

I started in this thread defending the GTR, so this is not a biased comment:

So far, the C6 Z06 beats the GTR in the quarter mile, E.T. & trap speed...

To dispute this shows you're a truly fanatic fanboy considering even Nissan fanboys accept this... :eyes:

The C6Z is still king

Period

Actually, its not... period.
From a stop the AWD is going to take the Vette and it might not be able to reel it in.



Just wanted to point out that you are incorrect...despite the fact that the Z06 has a disadvantage in that only two tires are powered, even from a stop, it is still faster than the GTR.

Just to point out the GT-R is faster from a dig.



Face the music gentlemen.

Actually, its not... period.
From a stop the AWD is going to take the Vette and it might not be able to reel it in.

But it did...that's the point...the Z06, from a dig, makes it to 100mph 0.2sec faster than the GT-R, despite undoubtedly having to make up ground after the launch. That shows just how effective cubic inches really are. I'd be really interested to see a Z06 with AWD or a GTR with RWD. The Z06 would take the GTR pretty convincingly in either case i'm sure.

The Z06 is the faster car...whether you look at from a dig, from a roll, AWD or RWD...it's faster. It beat AWD with RWD, so there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that it is the faster car...period.

Actually, its not... period.

Have you ever driven a 12 second car or better?

Ok guys....

Even though I think the above videos with a stocker Z06 running 11.2's should be more than enough to end this thread....

There are advantages to both drivetrains and engines....

Also, despite what people might try to tell you, the LS7 is an advanced engine. It isn't "ultimate gadget status" like the GTR because it is actually meant to go on the track....not just some automatic-having toy for rich kids

Ok guys....

Even though I think the above videos with a stocker Z06 running 11.2's should be more than enough to end this thread....

There are advantages to both drivetrains and engines....

Also, despite what people might try to tell you, the LS7 is an advanced engine. It isn't "ultimate gadget status" like the GTR because it is actually meant to go on the track....not just some automatic-having toy for rich kids

No, you're wrong... It's so state of the art it's automatically better, everything from Japan is higher tech and works perfectly. :bang:



http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Bboyferal/Internet%20Forum%20pics/ninjasmokebomb.gif

Have you ever driven a 12 second car or better?
Fine.
I will answer this cynical & retarded question. (sorry, but it is)

To be honest, the fastest machine Ive ever droven was a 2001 R1 with flattened headers and Micron exhaust. Easy low 10 second bike. Liter bikes are indescribable. They are purely insanity in metal form.

The fastest car I have ever drove was in my 4th semester, got to know a kid named Ryan. Had a modified 04 Cobra...high 11's.

The fastest car I ever owned was a 98 Z28 M6. Had it for about 2 weeks. Got offered alot for it.... needed cash for school.

My LT1 was 4400 cash. (stock, original, 78K)
My hair is blonde.
I like the color green.

Anything else ya wanna know big U?

I will answer this cynical & retarded question. (sorry, but it is)


I asked it because you talk as if you know everything about
everything, yet you have damned near zero experience with
fast cars. You drove a 11 second car once. :jest:

While it may have been a cynical & retarded question, it proves
my point. Face the music. ;)

Yeah, I forgot all about burn also being a member of the I.D.L. (Import Defenders League), while owning/driving a domestic.

I still can't figure out why they all stick with domestic nameplates when they LOVE, ADORE and WORSHIP their precious, perfect, infallible, unbeatable<--:rolleyes: imports soooo much. :confused:
Makes NO sense.

^ Hey don't forget me.

Yeah, I forgot all about burn also being a member of the I.D.L. (Import Defenders League), while owning/driving a domestic.

I still can't figure out why they all stick with domestic nameplates when they LOVE, ADORE and WORSHIP their precious, perfect, infallible, unbeatable<--:rolleyes: imports soooo much. :confused:
Makes NO sense.

It's because they can't afford the repair costs. :judge:

^ Hey don't forget me.

Nah.

You're at least somewhat neutral, and you defend domestics a good part of the time.
Also, when you do go to bat for the imports, you do it with intellect and sensible, informed arguements.
Besides, you own BOTH, so I cannot call you out for only owning a domestic, but worshipping (and really wanting) an import.

So sorry, but you do not qualify for the I.D.L.!! :jest:

I asked it because you talk as if you know everything about
everything,
No I don't.... that ridiculous. When do I ever talk like that? Never.
You got offended because I said the GT-R is faster from a dig?
Sounds like it.


yet you have damned near zero experience with
fast cars. You drove a 11 second car once. :jest:
That does not prove anything.
My experience on a liter bike and its power make 11 second cars' pretty damn pointless in terms of power and skill.

You talk like fast cars are the test of all true men, and that I need shitloads of 10 second car experience to post about 2 cars 99% of the people on this site haven't drove?
Pretty pathetic for a mod and someone I had out to be a rather cool guy.

Didn't expect this from you.
Continuing on...


While it may have been a cynical & retarded question, it proves
my point. Face the music. ;)

Maybe youre talking in terms of wrenching experience as well?
Or maybe even just going to the track, watching/talking/learning?

I have completely helped rebuild a 10 second 383 LT1.
Had a misfire that let to a piston ring letting go, that led to lower motor problems. It was actually kind of fun to do it. I know how to turn wrenches. Gotta have those books though... some things get tricky.

My father owns a corvette, my brother a 20th Ann Iroc-Z.
I have been around fast cars all my life.

We own a 2 stroke shop on the side here and work on toys alot...banshee's, sleds, my quadzilla.
We have a ZR 900 that would probably make short work of your Cobra on the 1/4. :lol:
Just because I don't track my car once a month or have a 10 second car, does not mean I don't have experience with fast, and some dude on the internet with a pumped up 3800lb boat lecturing me about my experience is comical considering, once again we are talking about two cars 99% of the people who participate in this thread will never drive.
Also, I am not the only 13 second car owner on LS1tech.

Like that music?
Got any more intelligent questions oh mighty smiter?

^^^^

You really want to challenge Pissy Chrissy & RedBeauty84ZX for the outright #1 import fanboy/defender title on here, right??
You just moved up into the #1 spot for import fanboyzz that currently own a domestic.
It was a hard fought battle between yourself and Stopsign 32V, I Run Elevens, etc. but you prevailed!! :cool: :thumb:

ALL hail COD!!! :hail:

:lol: It's not even like that. I'm not a diehard import lover but just a select lover of certain cars. One car in particular is the GTR. It has certain better quality's then the corvette does but on the other side of the coin the corvette also has some better then the GTR.

As i get older i get more attracted to cars that are fast but that also offer awesome build quality. I LOVE the corvette and as close as i have come to pulling the trigger on a base LS3 vette.... every time after the test drive many doubts went through my mind. I want quality, I want speed and i want comfort.. The vette provided two of the three. You can guess what it was lacking.

:lol: It's not even like that. I'm not a diehard import lover but just a select lover of certain cars. One car in particular is the GTR. It has certain better quality's then the corvette does but on the other side of the coin the corvette also has some better then the GTR.

As i get older i get more attracted to cars that are fast but that also offer awesome build quality. I LOVE the corvette and as close as i have come to pulling the trigger on a base LS3 vette.... every time after the test drive many doubts went through my mind. I want quality, I want speed and i want comfort.. The vette provided two of the three. You can guess what it was lacking.

If you think a Nissan is better quality than a Vette, you must not have alot of experience with Nissan. I certainly am not a Corvette expert (aside from the motor, of course), but I know my Nissans thanks to the multitude of work i've been forced to do on them. I'll tell you from first hand experience, there's no comparison. The Vette is far more reliable and well built than your standard Nissan product.

Now I would HOPE that an $85k Nissan is going to be a bit higher in quality than the sub $40k ones i'm used to, but I can't say for sure.

Even JD Power ranks Nissan lower than ANY GM brand...they were somewhere around 30th out of 37 makes, while GM's worst was around 24th in 2006. Not that I put alot of stock in JDP and CR style studies...but they do say SOMETHING.

That 11.2 wasnt even Rangers best 100% stock:
http://rangeracceleration.com/06_Z06_Stk_Tires.html
I would love to see someone do a 11.1 in a new GTR, hard to do with only a 118- low 120 mph trap speed. Z06 > GTR, 1/4 mile

As for a road course, sure the GTR might test better (stopping/ turning) but that 7+ mph better trap is HARD to overcome, the GTR doesnt out handle/brake a Z06 enough. Besides, road courses arent just one big turn, they have straight aways too where the Z will own.

The only place a GTR will hold ground is on the street from a dead stop, and thats only if the race is a short one. How often these days do people race from a dead stop? Im 20 yrs old, have driven an ls1 since my 16th birthday and ive NEVER raced from a dead stop (on the street). Again that 7+mph will conquer from a dig on the street.

As for any other arguements, the ZR1 will be here soon enough :nod:.

If you think a Nissan is better quality than a Vette, you must not have alot of experience with Nissan. I certainly am not a Corvette expert (aside from the motor, of course), but am know my Nissans thanks to the multitude of work i've been forced to do on them. I'll tell you from first hand experience, there's no comparison. The Vette is far more reliable and well built than your standard Nissan product.

Now I would HOPE that an $85k Nissan is going to be a bit higher in quality than the sub $40k ones i'm used to, but I can't say for sure.

Even JD Power ranks Nissan lower than ANY GM brand...they were somewhere around 30th out of 37 makes, while GM's worst was around 24th in 2006. Not that I put alot of stock in JDP and CR style studies...but they do say SOMETHING.

I was talking build quality of the corvette against bmw and MB's.. Not nissan's. Although.. I do like Infiniti's quality very much.

BTW, I think Brunzilla is about to take COD's crown w/ a trip to Band Camp.:engarde:

I was talking build quality of the corvette against bmw and MB's.. Not nissan's. Although.. I do like Infiniti's quality very much.

Agreed with BMW...but then that's why you pay twice as much. Not so much with MB though...they appear nice, yes, but real quality is definitely not their strongpoint either. It's funny actually how the truth differs from perception...People all think that Toyota, Lexus, Nissan, Infiniti, Honda, BMW, MB, Land Rover, and Jaguar are top quality vehicles just because they appear well put together. In reality...it's Lexus, Cadillac, Buick, BMW, and Toyota that are actually tops in quality...Nissan, Infiniti, MB, Land Rover and Jaguar are near the bottom of the list.

BTW, I think Brunzilla is about to take COD's crown w/ a trip to Band Camp.:engarde:

For what exactly?

BTW, I think Brunzilla is about to take COD's crown w/ a trip to Band Camp.:engarde:

Orly?

That 11.2 wasnt even Rangers best 100% stock:
http://rangeracceleration.com/06_Z06_Stk_Tires.html
I would love to see someone do a 11.1 in a new GTR, hard to do with only a 118- low 120 mph trap speed. Z06 > GTR, 1/4 mile

Truth... Whoever disputes this is a Nissan fanboy.

As for a road course, sure the GTR might test better (stopping/ turning) but that 7+ mph better trap is HARD to overcome, the GTR doesnt out handle/brake a Z06 enough. Besides, road courses arent just one big turn, they have straight aways too where the Z will own.

Hmmm... All track testing performed thus far indicates otherwise... The Nurburgring has some LONG straights, two in fact that will top out these cars and then some... And this still was not enough for the Z06 to catch up to the GTR.

The only place a GTR will hold ground is on the street from a dead stop, and thats only if the race is a short one. How often these days do people race from a dead stop? Im 20 yrs old, have driven an ls1 since my 16th birthday and ive NEVER raced from a dead stop (on the street). Again that 7+mph will conquer from a dig on the street.

As for any other arguements, the ZR1 will be here soon enough :nod:.

Yup... And the ZR1 will fucking annihilate it.

BTW - Just wait till we see what it will do with a tune and some more boost. :D

wow so your admitting that its not going to win unless you tweak it and that stock isnt good enough.

im going to get into this little arguement. to me it doesnt really matter about the acceleration it matters about who crosses the line first to win and that would be the z06. that .2 seconds faster 0-60 will just get into yall's already fat heads and just slow you down. but thats just my opinion

^ ... Will cross the finish line first in a straight line, what neither car was designed for.

If you think a Nissan is better quality than a Vette, you must not have alot of experience with Nissan.

From personal experience at comparable costs Nissan cars are MUCH better quality then a comparable GM product. Sure a $20,000 Sentra isnt going to be up to the quality of a $50,000 Corvette. Same goes if you compare a $13,000 Chevrolet Aveo to a $32,000 Nissan Maxima. But in general GM quality is and always has been well below the industry average.

Yeah the GTR is actualy making about 500-510HP so being about 20-30HP underrated. Sounds a lot like the LS1 Fbodys :)


heres the dyno run of the skyline and it says around 430.6 hp and 425.3 ft/lb to the wheels
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/112_0803_2009_nissan_GT-R_dyno_run


and the z06 made 450.8 hp and 424.9 ft/lb on this one (motortrend didnt have one other than supercharged)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqYzRRJtcGw

another that made 449.6 hp and 418.5 ft/lb
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C6-Z06-Bone-stockmade-4496-rwhp-and-4185-rwtq_65069.htm

so i think that they are both fast but the z06 is faster

heres the dyno run of the skyline and it says around 430.6 hp and 425.3 ft/lb to the wheels
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/112_0803_2009_nissan_GT-R_dyno_run


and the z06 made 450.8 hp and 424.9 ft/lb on this one (motortrend didnt have one other than supercharged)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqYzRRJtcGw

another that made 449.6 hp and 418.5 ft/lb
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C6-Z06-Bone-stockmade-4496-rwhp-and-4185-rwtq_65069.htm

so i think that they are both fast but the z06 is faster

Woopty dooo you can't accurately compare dynos without all the variables being constant. The GTR has made up to 480WHP on other dynos stock as well....

Woopty dooo you can't accurately compare dynos without all the variables being constant. The GTR has made up to 480WHP on other dynos stock as well....

well then post the vids up. i would love to see them.

heres the dyno run of the skyline and it says around 430.6 hp and 425.3 ft/lb to the wheels
http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/112_0803_2009_nissan_GT-R_dyno_run


and the z06 made 450.8 hp and 424.9 ft/lb on this one (motortrend didnt have one other than supercharged)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqYzRRJtcGw

another that made 449.6 hp and 418.5 ft/lb
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C6-Z06-Bone-stockmade-4496-rwhp-and-4185-rwtq_65069.htm

so i think that they are both fast but the z06 is faster

15% drivetrain losses for awd? IDIOTS... It's a good 25% loss.

430.6 X 1.25 = 538.25 crank horsepower

BTW - That skyline is AWESOME in red. WOW

here's what i have to say about anything and everything that's been posted defending one car or the other so far:

who gives a fuck?

both cars are awesome machines, and each one was built for a different purpose. buy what you like and put it up against everyone else. if it's faster, you win. if not, you mod it until you win.

who keeps these cars stock for long anyway?

i've gotta fall back to one of my favorite images to sum it all up:

http://www.darkfire.net/~mrb/images/retarded.jpg

here's what i have to say about anything and everything that's been posted defending one car or the other so far:

who gives a fuck?

both cars are awesome machines, and each one was built for a different purpose. buy what you like and put it up against everyone else. if it's faster, you win. if not, you mod it until you win.

who keeps these cars stock for long anyway?

i've gotta fall back to one of my favorite images to sum it all up:

http://www.darkfire.net/~mrb/images/retarded.jpg


1999 called and said they want that picture back

1999 called and said they want that picture back

hey, when the shoe fits.....

Is this GTRTech?

From personal experience at comparable costs Nissan cars are MUCH better quality then a comparable GM product. Sure a $20,000 Sentra isnt going to be up to the quality of a $50,000 Corvette. Same goes if you compare a $13,000 Chevrolet Aveo to a $32,000 Nissan Maxima. But in general GM quality is and always has been well below the industry average.

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree there...the $15k Cobalt puts every Nissan i've encountered to shame. At least within the last 5 years. Perhaps they were better back in the 90's, but not in this century. CR and JD power agree...Nissan hasn't seen the top half of any quality ranking this century.

This is all from personal experience and friends/family who have owned them. I know only one Nissan owner at present time...all the others have fled the brand thanks to most of them spending close to half the MSRP of their vehicle in repair costs over the first 5 years. My mother actually went from two Infinitis (an I30 and a G35) to an Impala SS cause she was tired of spending a grand everytime ANYTHING went wrong with her car. within the first three years of owning both Infinitis, she put in well over 2g's in both cases. The Impala, on the other hand, hasn't needed a damn thing in 40k miles.

I could go on and on about GM quality...but the fact is that GM quality is now, and has been for at least four years, well above the industry average. GM and Toyota made up 15 of the top 18 brands on JD Power's initial quality ranking for 2006. No Nissan there.

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree there...the $15k Cobalt puts every Nissan i've encountered to shame. At least within the last 5 years. Perhaps they were better back in the 90's, but not in this century. CR and JD power agree...Nissan hasn't seen the top half of any quality ranking this century.

This is all from personal experience and friends/family who have owned them. I know only one Nissan owner at present time...all the others have fled the brand thanks to most of them spending close to half the MSRP of their vehicle in repair costs over the first 5 years. My mother actually went from two Infinitis (an I30 and a G35) to an Impala SS cause she was tired of spending a grand everytime ANYTHING went wrong with her car. within the first three years of owning both Infinitis, she put in well over 2g's in both cases. The Impala, on the other hand, hasn't needed a damn thing in 40k miles.

I could go on and on about GM quality...but the fact is that GM quality is now, and has been for at least four years, well above the industry average. GM and Toyota made up 15 of the top 18 brands on JD Power's initial quality ranking for 2006. No Nissan there.

Blak,

Have to disagree with you. Had a rental cobalt and it was a POS on the inside. On the other hand when i had a rental maxima the interior was BEAUTIFUL. It has the technology package and i was blown away with it.

Woopty dooo you can't accurately compare dynos without all the variables being constant. The GTR has made up to 480WHP on other dynos stock as well....

Uhhhhhhh, everyone knows that dynacraps inflate the numbers worse than dynojets. When comparing similar dynos, like dynojest, the numbers don't stray too much from one to the next as long as the altitude is pretty consistant.
For the record it made 47x on that Japanese dynapack. They also make ~410awhp on the mustang dynos in the US (two different dynos).

From personal experience at comparable costs Nissan cars are MUCH better quality then a comparable GM product. Sure a $20,000 Sentra isnt going to be up to the quality of a $50,000 Corvette. Same goes if you compare a $13,000 Chevrolet Aveo to a $32,000 Nissan Maxima. But in general GM quality is and always has been well below the industry average.


If this is true, explain to me why My friends' top of the line Nissan Titan has FACTORY SADDLE EXHAUST CLAMPS and my lowly $26k '02 Silverado LS has full, one piece exhaust from the cats back?

How's about all that brittle plastic under the hood?

How about the fact that Chevrolet can actually make a sportscar look like a sportscar?

Blak,

Have to disagree with you. Had a rental cobalt and it was a POS on the inside. On the other hand when i had a rental maxima the interior was BEAUTIFUL. It has the technology package and i was blown away with it.

Well apparently our defintions of quality differ...because I can relate to this exact comparison and I came to the exact opposite conclusion. All the Cobalts i've been in felt very solid...every bit as much as even a brand new Civic...while both 07 Maximas that I drove were more comparable to a Kia in overall feel and fit. The Maxima's interior not only was plastic, but made no attempt to hide it...it was slightly reminiscent of being in a large plastic barrel, had the same kinds of reverb and resonances. The Cobalt, despite having plenty of plastic in it's interior, retains a slightly more upscale feel more akin to a Camry or Civic. Not luxury cars by any means, but they do a good job of hiding cheapness. Also...both BRAND NEW Maximas had annoying squeaks eminating from the doors...none of the 06-07 Cobalts did...even with several thousand miles on the clock.

Difference in perspective I suppose...I dunno.

Just so people can see what we're talking about....

I picked an SS because the price's are closer then a cobalt LT.

08 SE

http://www.ampmauto.com/images/vehicles/08maximagray/22.jpg

06 SS
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/799c96c2-d0b4-4994-9dde-b57acdcf281b/1G1AP14P967875552/17.jpg?webimage001l

^ In a straight line.in any line. The only advantage the gtr has is better tires then the z06 runflats. Replace those and the z06 is better in all areas, let alone the zr1.

and i have to say that interior looks cheesy in the pics. may be better in person?

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree there...the $15k Cobalt puts every Nissan i've encountered to shame. At least within the last 5 years. Perhaps they were better back in the 90's, but not in this century. CR and JD power agree...Nissan hasn't seen the top half of any quality ranking this century.

This is all from personal experience and friends/family who have owned them. I know only one Nissan owner at present time...all the others have fled the brand thanks to most of them spending close to half the MSRP of their vehicle in repair costs over the first 5 years. My mother actually went from two Infinitis (an I30 and a G35) to an Impala SS cause she was tired of spending a grand everytime ANYTHING went wrong with her car. within the first three years of owning both Infinitis, she put in well over 2g's in both cases. The Impala, on the other hand, hasn't needed a damn thing in 40k miles.

I could go on and on about GM quality...but the fact is that GM quality is now, and has been for at least four years, well above the industry average. GM and Toyota made up 15 of the top 18 brands on JD Power's initial quality ranking for 2006. No Nissan there.


Sharing personal experiences isnt going to prove much. I will agree that Nissans quality took a dip after Ghosn took office in 2000 and went down hill for a few years but as of late(07+) things have been getting a lot better. Even still I don't think Nissans quality has ever dipped as low as chevrolet. But we both have our opinions. We have 5 different Nissans in the family, two of which with over 200K miles on the factory engine/tranny and all have been rock solid reliable.

in any line. The only advantage the gtr has is better tires then the z06 runflats. Replace those and the z06 is better in all areas, let alone the zr1.

Exactly... In OEM trim, the GTR is faster around a track.

And LOL if you think the rest of the car has nothing to do with it.

And no one is comparing the ZR1 here... The Motortrend article ran a Z06.

If this is true, explain to me why My friends' top of the line Nissan Titan has FACTORY SADDLE EXHAUST CLAMPS and my lowly $26k '02 Silverado LS has full, one piece exhaust from the cats back?

How's about all that brittle plastic under the hood?


Well just take a look....
Your interior:
http://www.pickuptruck.com/IMAGES/2002/chevrolet/avalanche/first_drive/interior.jpg

Silverado engine bay:
http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/112_0704_05z+2007_chevrolet_silverado+engine.jpg

Nissan Titan interior:
http://z.about.com/d/trucks/1/7/N/x/08_Titan_30.jpg

Nissan Titan engine bay:
http://images.trucktrend.com/roadtests/suv/163_0406_Full_09z+Nissan_Armada+Engine_View.jpg

Man...GM really seems to be beating Nissan on quality...:lol:

How about the fact that Chevrolet can actually make a sportscar look like a sportscar?

The GT-R is a ....GT car. It looks like a GT car. Nissan has made sports cars in the past that look like sports cars.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/conszx/Performance%20Nissan%202008/04-05-08079.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/RedBeauty84ZX/Jody4.jpg

Both the 240Z and 300ZX have made it onto countless most beautiful cars of all time lists...and yes they look like a Sports car. GTRs have never been pure sports cars.

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/db56972e24.gif
Let it die already, want to argue about how good Nissan is? Find a Nissan board.

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/db56972e24.gif
Let it die already, want to argue about how good Nissan is? Find a Nissan board.

yes. please. someone lock this stupid thread already.

Both the 240Z and 300ZX have made it onto countless most beautiful cars of all time lists...and yes they look like a Sports car. GTRs have never been pure sports cars.

I'll tell you what, the Fairlady/Z was always a beautiful and unique sports car but only up until the Z32.

yes. please. someone lock this stupid thread already.

PM a mod.

Sharing personal experiences isnt going to prove much. I will agree that Nissans quality took a dip after Ghosn took office in 2000 and went down hill for a few years but as of late(07+) things have been getting a lot better. Even still I don't think Nissans quality has ever dipped as low as chevrolet. But we both have our opinions. We have 5 different Nissans in the family, two of which with over 200K miles on the factory engine/tranny and all have been rock solid reliable.

True...we all have our opinions and that's not going to change. The real difference is that both JD Power and Consumer Reports agree with me. I've never been a big supporter of survey based ranking, but that's really the closest thing we have to fact in an argument such as this.

Well just take a look....

Man...GM really seems to be beating Nissan on quality...:lol:

Yeah that's fair...let's compare an amateur photo in shitty lighting to a professionally retouched photo in synthesized lighting...that'll make a great comparison. At least COD02SS picked fair photos.

How about this for comparison:

http://z.about.com/d/trucks/1/7/N/x/08_Titan_30.jpg

http://chevrolet.jbcarpages.com/Silverado/2004/Bilder/2004%20Silverado%20Interior.jpg

That's much better. Next to a well-done, vinyl and leather covered interior, we can all see just how plastic the Nissan's interior REALLY IS. Oh and great idea about comparing how the engines look...since the Vortec looks way cooler than the Nissan's motor, it's obviously better. :eyes: Nevermind the fact that the 2006 Silverado's 5.3L motor had as much power as the Titan does NOW. No that's not important, the appearance of the motor is all that counts.

WOW.

Well just take a look....
Your interior:
http://www.pickuptruck.com/IMAGES/2002/chevrolet/avalanche/first_drive/interior.jpg

Silverado engine bay:
http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/112_0704_05z+2007_chevrolet_silverado+engine.jpg

Nissan Titan interior:
http://z.about.com/d/trucks/1/7/N/x/08_Titan_30.jpg

Nissan Titan engine bay:
http://images.trucktrend.com/roadtests/suv/163_0406_Full_09z+Nissan_Armada+Engine_View.jpg

Man...GM really seems to be beating Nissan on quality...:lol:


The GT-R is a ....GT car. It looks like a GT car. Nissan has made sports cars in the past that look like sports cars.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k117/conszx/Performance%20Nissan%202008/04-05-08079.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/RedBeauty84ZX/Jody4.jpg

Both the 240Z and 300ZX have made it onto countless most beautiful cars of all time lists...and yes they look like a Sports car. GTRs have never been pure sports cars.

Then why is Nissan marketing it as one?

Also, The thing you have to realize is that pictures do not tell you how flimsy something is in real life. The underhood plastic on the Chevrolet is thick polymer. On the Nissan it is ABS plastic, and it could easily be broken by hand. I would need a sledgehammer to break my intake tube. Not to mention the Silverado engine bay you posted was not an '02 4.8L, which looks like this...note that my entire engine bay is not HIDDEN underneath plastic covers, and that the only COVER(singular) is hiding the vacuum lines and wiring crossing the intake manifold, serving double duty as an insulator with thermal foam on the underside. The cover has a purpose on my truck other than to hide the laziness of the wiring engineers like the Titans'...
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/madnessmercury/DSC00054.jpg


Also, I have a dark black-blue interior, not a tan one.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/madnessmercury/DSC00053.jpg

Oh yeah, let me tell you, Nissan is really beating the pants off of Chevy with their interiors...:eyes:

'08 Malibu
http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2006/11/23-chevrolet-malibu-preview/_2008-Chevrolet-Malibu-interior.jpg

'08 Altima Coupe
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/2008_nissan_altima_coupe_official_8.jpg

Or here's one...

'81 301 Turbo Pontiac Trans Am Pace Car
http://fbodywarehouse.com/registry/1981/1981Members/Images/timoleary19813.jpg

'79 280ZX
http://www.chooseyouritem.com/classics/photos/93000/93047-4.1979.Datsun.280Z.jpg

Because brown is sweet...

Now don't get me wrong, I love a lot of Nissan cars, and the 300ZX(original body style, electonic graph gauges) still is one of my favorite cars of all time. The Skylines also have a place in my heart up until the R35s came around and butchered the meaning of the name. To me the GTR is nothing but a fast car with no ties to the real world. You cannot just go out with 20-30K and buy one straight up. Nissan used to be about advanced performance for value prices...not so much anymore! They're too busy trying to convince people that beating a Porsche makes them better than Porsche for ever and for all eternity. The real world will never give them the respect they want unless they uphold a traditional sporting model for more than ten years. The GTR has had its ties to the production Skyline severed(for some idiotic reason...) and now stands as a stand-alone sporting GT that is being marketed as a sports car. I foresee failure for the GTR unless it conjures up a profitable offshoot of Skylines...

Unless, you know, they pull a Viper and make it their Halo car, which in this case feels like Nissan is betraying their fan base by putting the car completely out of reach of the people who wanted the Skyline brought over here in the first place...This is purely publicity on Ghosn's part, which, sadly, is butchering the Skyline GT-R's legacy for a quick shot at profits and 15 minutes of fame in the spotlight.

In other words, the GTR will be a mistake when the ZR-1 and 911 GT2 destroy it on the track(pick one). Does it matter that those will be priced higher? Probably not. The Corvette and 911 have histories behind them, and people will pay that kind of money for one. No one is paying 200k for a Nissan GTR.:nod:

Just so people can see what we're talking about....

I picked an SS because the price's are closer then a cobalt LT.


Nice try chief, but the Altima is in a different class than the Cobalt. The altima competes with the Malibu.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/sedans/the_buzzard_and_baloney_brigade_comparison_test+pa ge-6.html
Malibu > Altima....

Nice try chief, but the Altima is in a different class than the Cobalt. The altima competes with the Malibu.

Despite that fact, the Cobalt STILL has a better interior. So his comparison worked against him.

http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/db56972e24.gif

:funny:

Just watch.
All of a sudden EVERY Nissan will 'transform' into a low eleven second car right off of the showroom floor (even the loaded auto 350Zs and base Altimas). :rotflmao:
Much the same way EVERY NA, loaded automatic MKIV is a 9-10 second car to the fanbois. :lol:

ok i dont know why yall are argueing bc if i believe that the z06 came out in what 2005-2006 so its almost 3 years old and it still beats a car that hasnt hit showroom floors yet and yall are comparing it to a 2009 GTR (which is the year the zr1 comes out) so the way i see it it should be the GTR vs. zr1 to be a fair competition (but it wouldnt be that fair b/c the zr1 will blow the doors off of anything)

:funny:

Just watch.
All of a sudden EVERY Nissan will 'transform' into a low eleven second car right off of the showroom floor (even the loaded auto 350Zs and base Altimas). :rotflmao:
Much the same way EVERY NA, loaded automatic MKIV is a 9-10 second car to the fanbois. :lol:

Isn't that the way it is in the Import world. Coincidentally, I was at the drags this weekend watching a fast turbocharged Honda run. It blew up the previous weekend and I asked them what the problem was. They said no problem, it blows up every other weekend. The 8 second Supra that was out, was running 10s and 11s, which was about par for a 8 second Supra.
Those Import guys confuse the hell out of me:chug:.

If I had a dime for every domestic blowing up out racing every other weekend...

If I had a dime for every domestic blowing up out racing every other weekend...

Yes, you'd have a lot of money. BUT....


The ratio of blown domestics to intact domestics at the track still puts the same ratio for imports to shame. The ratio would be even worse for the imports if they weren't sticking American transmissions and rear ends into their cars...:D

^ Yeah, and I use quite few parts from Greddy, HKS, etc. in my TA. :emb:

;)



When you want the complete package, you don't stick to any one region. :D

Despite that fact, the Cobalt STILL has a better interior. So his comparison worked against him.

How did it work against me? The cobalt has a POS interior because it's a POS car :lol:. Just because you think it doesn't doesn't change anything.

imports if they weren't sticking American transmissions and rear ends into their cars...:D

Yep! Thats why any really fast Supra has a Turbo400 and a nine inch Ford in it.

How did it work against me? The cobalt has a POS interior because it's a POS car :lol:. Just because you think it doesn't doesn't change anything.

Hey everyone has an opinion, and just like an asshole they all stink.

How did it work against me? The cobalt has a POS interior because it's a POS car :lol:. Just because you think it doesn't doesn't change anything.

It worked against you because you are wrong. That's all. The Cobalt is a $15k car that puts Nissan's $30k+ cars to shame...it's better built, more reliable, and less complex...so when a problem does come along, it costs half as much to fix.

None of the above is an opinion...it's all fact...just ask JD power, Consumer reports, Edmunds...etc...they all spell it out in plain english.

Someone should really posts facts (links to articles, reports, tests, etc.) about GM vehicles being better than imports.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/23/Autos/american_cars/index.htm

http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/08/autos/jdpa_dependability/index.htm

I have more about the Trucks, Malibu, Equniox, but I am at work.

The toughest study known to automobiles...

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-brand

Notice Chevy, GMC, Pontiac and even Oldsmobile!!!...all average or better. Most are well above.

Contrast with Nissan. Could only muster average in one category - powertrain. All others fell below average.

Even better - compare Buick and Cadillac to Infiniti. These are their respective marques' PREMIUM brands. GM absolutely CLEANS UP while Infiniti embarrasses.

The toughest study known to automobiles...

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-brand

Notice Chevy, GMC, Pontiac and even Oldsmobile!!!...all average or better. Most are well above.

Contrast with Nissan. Could only muster average in one category - powertrain. All others fell below average.

Even better - compare Buick and Cadillac to Infiniti. These are their respective marques' PREMIUM brands. GM absolutely CLEANS UP while Infiniti embarrasses.

Good stuff. I always wonder why the Buick drivetrains do better than the rest of GM as they are the same through out GM on many different platforms..

Im not reading all this but a 5mph difference in only the 1/4 mile is a nice pull away. Have you noticed 06 C6 Z's are in the low $50K range too.

C6ZFTW :nod: