Stereo & Electronics - Replaced Stock Front w/Infinity 62.7i - Sounds Like Hell
32of32
05-16-2008, 07:25 PM
I picked un a pair of Infinity 62.7i's today and wired them directly into my Monsoon, just like stock. I have only done the drivers' side so far but just checked out the sound and it sounds like hell. Muffled, no highs, distorts at about 1/2 volume.
My stereo sounded like crap overall - that's why I wanted to change them.
Now the 3 stock speakers sound great in comparison.
What's wrong???
dragonrage
05-16-2008, 07:49 PM
Infinity isn't a very good speaker, but mainly you need to replace the stock amp so you can bypass the stock crossover. And having more power will certainly help.
32of32
05-16-2008, 08:58 PM
I have read that people that "thought" their speakers were in need of replacement have had good results with this speaker.
My stock system distorts and pops at about 1/2 volume so I though for sure it was the speakers - I guess not??
dragonrage
05-16-2008, 09:01 PM
List your full system and tell us how you hooked up the speakers. You probably hooked them up wrong and can do better than what you have. But you will need an amp to get the best possible quality out of them. You can probably improve over stock without an amp, but you can't get "good" sound without it.
32of32
05-16-2008, 09:14 PM
I tried every possible combination with the speakers.
I spliced the connections that came with the speakers (minus the crossover) directly to the stock wiring (red-positive black-negative).
I then tried wiring in the cross over (which I don't think I need beacuse they are crossed over at the amp/head unit??).
I then reversed the polarity on each combination just in case.
Then I reversed the woofer / tweeter combo just in case.
And the sound - at best - was freaking brutal!
I started a thread a few weeks ago regarding my friends SS Monsoon system - his sounds actually GREAT. Mine sounds like a transistor radio!!
Hatchetman337
05-16-2008, 09:19 PM
I wonder, is that factory crossover cutting out the highs because he put in coaxials? Most people use component sets in the doors because that's what's there stock. Most who don't like infinitys say it's because the highs are too bright, not that there isn't any. Are those returnable? I'd go get some components instead. As far as infinitys go, though, they can sound very good IMO. If you like your highs bright, you may like them. Running off stock power, though, you'd probably want the Infinity reference series, as they are a little less power hungry than the kappas. I had kappa 6x9's and perfect 5.25's in my grand prix and they didn't sound that great off the deck, but sounded awesome when amped. They need a lot of power to run well.
Hatchetman337
05-16-2008, 09:21 PM
Or maybe there's something wrong with your amp. . .
dragonrage
05-16-2008, 09:59 PM
stock wiring has 2 pairs of wires PER door....
djsanchez2
05-16-2008, 10:13 PM
^^^ Bingo. You have to wire the tweeter and speaker seperately. Thats the way i have my Infinity's and they work perfect.
Intercooler2
05-17-2008, 12:21 AM
Those Infinity speakers are 2 Ohm correct? I am putting in the CDT's I got tomorrow morning. I was looking at the stockers I took out and they are 2 Ohm factory speakers. So why is the suggested speakers something 4 Ohm? Wouldn't the Infinity 2 Ohm lineup play better or match the Monsoon better?
32of32
05-17-2008, 08:50 AM
I wonder, is that factory crossover cutting out the highs because he put in coaxials? Most people use component sets in the doors because that's what's there stock. Most who don't like infinitys say it's because the highs are too bright, not that there isn't any. Are those returnable? I'd go get some components instead. As far as infinitys go, though, they can sound very good IMO. If you like your highs bright, you may like them. Running off stock power, though, you'd probably want the Infinity reference series, as they are a little less power hungry than the kappas. I had kappa 6x9's and perfect 5.25's in my grand prix and they didn't sound that great off the deck, but sounded awesome when amped. They need a lot of power to run well.
Thanks man - they are returnable. I'm not sure what to do next, but unless anyone has any other ideas with these, they're going back today!
dragonrage
05-17-2008, 10:07 AM
I already told you. You need to use both pairs of wires per door.
DarkJuggalo
05-17-2008, 11:18 AM
go with JL audio if u return. my system sounds amazing in the car and a block away :D
Hatchetman337
05-17-2008, 04:15 PM
I already told you. You need to use both pairs of wires per door.
I thought he already did
32of32
05-17-2008, 04:22 PM
I already told you. You need to use both pairs of wires per door.
I did.
dragonrage
05-17-2008, 06:49 PM
I did.
Then you need to bypass the capacitor on the car or on the tweeter. Better still, get an amp.
02Z28LS1
05-18-2008, 12:27 AM
Infinity isn't a very good speaker, but mainly you need to replace the stock amp so you can bypass the stock crossover. And having more power will certainly help.
who fed you that load of BS? infinity is a very good speaker. don't get me wrong, there are others out there that are a lot better, but most of them are also more expensive. infinity is one of the better speakers in their price range, and i've run several sets of them with no problems (and great sound quality) for years. of course, all the ones i've used have been component sets and not coaxials, and hooked up to an external amp vs. the head unit or stock amp, so i can't really vouch for the coax speakers from them.
having said that, shit in = shit out. you'll get a lot better sound out of them if you go with all aftermarket equipment. the infinity speakers may actually sound like shit when connected to stock equipment (depending on the model of the speakers), but that's not really the fault of the speakers....it's just that the wrong model is being used for the job. i can vouch for them that they can sound extremely good when done correctly
as for the highs sounding "bright"....that's what equalization is for. it all really just depends on how it's all set up.
dragonrage
05-18-2008, 01:10 AM
"very good speaker" and "one of the better speakers in their price range" are two completely different things.
02Z28LS1
05-18-2008, 01:26 AM
the two are not always mutually exclusive.
anyway, like i said, it's not really the speaker, but the way the entire system is set up.....much the same way putting a ported MAF or 160° thermostat in without having the computer tuned for them....you're going to get shitty performance (or at the very least, no change in performance), but it's not the fault of the parts themselves, it's because the job was only halfway done.
you say that Infinity speakers are not very good, but there are different series of speakers from Infinity, some better than others. and each series of speaker is designed for a particular purpose.....use one speaker in an application that it was not intended for, and yeah....it may sound like shit. but again, that's not the fault of the speaker, it's the application. put that same speaker in the application it was designed for, and it may even sound better than a "superior" speaker that's in an application that it was not intended for.
sorry, i just don't like it when people use "blanket" statements like that, those type of statements just scream "ignorance" to me, regardless of whether the person making the statement is ignorant to the facts or not....so don't take it personally, i'm just trying to clarify here a bit.
Vndcatr
05-18-2008, 02:03 AM
I have All infinity Ref. speakers in my car, and wouldnt change them for anything.. Ive compared them to many different speakers (through an amp) and they sound great !.. And i Wouldnt consider them a cheap speaker either..
YellowToy/A
05-19-2008, 02:23 PM
I have been looking at cross overs. The factor speaker uses a cap for the tweeter. Not sure what is uses for the door. I have not got that far. If you put a 4ohm speeker in place a 2 ohm you will change the cross over frequcy by like half. you will need to take out the factor crossover and use the one that came with you speekers. The problem is that there is only one input to the new cross over. I am going to split the new cross over I got into to seperate inputs. One for the woofer and one for the tweeter.
Hatchetman337
05-19-2008, 03:08 PM
I've heard several people on here say they used the factory x-over and aftermarket components sounded fine.
Intercooler2
05-19-2008, 03:33 PM
Yup! My CDT's I just put in did. Look for the video tomorrow. Don't know how well it will turn out but I will try.
Too many people change things just because. Try it first and see. Change things when an it just isn't working. Or send me the money you save! LOL
dragonrage
05-19-2008, 08:46 PM
I've heard several people on here say they used the factory x-over and aftermarket components sounded fine.
They just have nothing to compare to. I've used this counterargument before and I will likely use it again: Most people think their stock sound system sounds fine, too (unless blown).
Depending on which speakers you buy, some will not be too bad with the stock crossovers whereas most will be bad and some will be downright terrible. First order crossovers are almost impossible to use in a 2-way system. You need a tweeter that plays down to say 1kHz (which means a 1.25" or so tweeter), a woofer that plays past 6kHz (8 would be much better), and a crossover point of probably 4kHz. And when I use the word "play" in this case, I mean flat to. It's hard to do with a 5.25" woofer and even harder with a 6.5" or woofer.
Any decent aftermarket 2-way setup will use 2nd order if not 4th order crossovers. Non-paper speakers should definitely use 4th order.
01ssreda4
05-21-2008, 12:20 AM
i have kappas in the front and reference in the rear with reference amps and mine is crystal clear and LOUD. all new wiring of course through the door boots.