Stereo & Electronics - new speakers
MikeLSS1
05-17-2008, 02:57 PM
i blew out my front two speakers on a road trip and replaced them about a month ago. I thought at first that there was a lack of bass and fullness in the stereo after i did the replacement. i then rode in my buddys trans am which is a 94 and his sounded way better even being 7 years older. I just went to circuit city and bought some regular poineer speakers of the correct size and threw em in, did that mess something up? because i know the camaro audio setups are wierd with like a bunch of different amps or something.
MikeLSS1
05-17-2008, 02:57 PM
something about the ohms maybe?
fast01z28
05-17-2008, 07:52 PM
1) every speaker has unique characteristics. the ones used in the stock system might get bashed on in here, but everything was designed to work well together.
2) If you have monsoon then yes the ohms are different.
02Z28LS1
05-18-2008, 12:14 AM
the stock speakers are going to be 2-ohm speakers, while the replacements you put in are most likely 4-ohm.
generally speaking, when you cut the impedance in half (4ohm to 2ohm), you'll get 2x the power out of your amp. and the opposite is the same, going from 2ohm to 4ohm, you'll be pushing 1/2 the power to the speakers.
it won't really hurt anything, but you're definitely not getting the most out of your equipment.
also, just as a warning, if you cut the impedance in half on an amp that can't handle it, it can burn your amp up....for instance, if you wire two 2-ohm speakers in parallel, you will end up with a 1-ohm load presented to the amp....and the majority of amps out there can't handle that low of an impedance, and can be damaged by it.
MikeLSS1
05-18-2008, 06:10 PM
I see, so basically they won't go as loud is what i'm hearing, but they won't hurt anything. Well i still feel like a lack of bass in the system, is there anything to explain that? it sounds more like a set of headphones than a car stereo.
Intercooler2
05-18-2008, 06:45 PM
You need a sub for bass.
02Z28LS1
05-18-2008, 11:32 PM
I see, so basically they won't go as loud is what i'm hearing, but they won't hurt anything. Well i still feel like a lack of bass in the system, is there anything to explain that? it sounds more like a set of headphones than a car stereo.
correct
a good, clean aftermarket amp will work wonders on the aftermarket speakers.....not only because you can choose the amount of power going to the speakers, as well as matching the impedance correctly, but also because you can set the crossover point to whatever you want, instead of having to rely on the x-over point that they engineered into the stock amp/head unit. what that means is that you can cut out the frequencies that the speakers can't handle efficiently, so that all the power goes into powering just the frequencies that the speakers can reproduce effectively.....which means cleaner & louder output.
02Z28LS1
05-18-2008, 11:35 PM
You need a sub for bass.
you can actually get a fair amount of bass out of a 6.5" speaker, depending on the setup & your goals, so technically speaking, you don't "need" a subwoofer. lots of people are perfectly happy with the amount of bass that 6.5" speakers produce, especially when powered properly. after all, there are home theater speakers that put out a surprising amount of bass out of 6.5" (and even 5.25") woofers.
having said that, you're not going to get REALLY hard-hitting bass that vibrates the car or anything, and 6.5" speakers don't put out enough bass for me, but it's certainly an option for some people.
Intercooler2
05-19-2008, 07:49 AM
Exactly. I get decent enough bass out of the Kee Bazooka 6.5's but it isn't 20 Hz bass or in your face. Good for 90% of people but to get the real low hard hitting stuff it isn't a substitute for a good woofer.
Hatchetman337
05-19-2008, 08:25 AM
Exactly. I get decent enough bass out of the Kee Bazooka 6.5's but it isn't 20 Hz bass or in your face. Good for 90% of people but to get the real low hard hitting stuff it isn't a substitute for a good woofer.
X2:nod:
WhiteBird00
05-19-2008, 08:31 AM
I suspect what happened is that you wired the coaxial replacement speakers to the tweeter wires in the doors. The factory speakers look like coaxials but are actually separate components. That's why you would have found four wires in each door - two for the mid and two for the tweeter. The tweeter wires are filtered by the amp to only have high frequencies. Try switching to the other pair of wires in the doors and you should get better sound.
BTW, this all applies only to 97+ Camaro Monsoon systems. You don't mention what year your car is. Your friend's 94 would have a Bose system in it - that's the one that had separate amps.
dragonrage
05-19-2008, 09:41 AM
1) every speaker has unique characteristics. the ones used in the stock system might get bashed on in here, but everything was designed to work well together.
It was designed to be super cheap and work about as well as possible with the cost goal