yeah the honda moves but i would like to see how it dose from a stop vs the CTS-V We all know how ricers suck from a stop. FWD sucks!
This is the thing that needs to seen the most! Yeah its a quick go kart but its still a honda
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Yes FWD does suck in general from a dig but so do most CTS-Vs. I dont think anything would have changed, then it would be more of a drivers race and believe it or not there are some FWD guys that can get off the line well
Usually thats not the case but most hondas arent fast either. I would think if someone can put together a clean fast car for that cheap they prob have enough knowledge/skill to get it off the line as well.
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yeah the honda moves but i would like to see how it dose from a stop vs the CTS-V We all know how ricers suck from a stop. FWD sucks!
This is the thing that needs to seen the most! Yeah its a quick go kart but its still a honda
The Z06 is fast, but it's still a Chevy. The Ford GT is ok, but it's still a Ford. The Viper will do 190mph+, but it's still a Chrysler. Honda has as much racing heritage (some would say more) as almost any other manufacturer. So I don't know if you were jesting or not, but if you're serious that's kind of dumb to say.
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The Z06 is fast, but it's still a Chevy. The Ford GT is ok, but it's still a Ford. The Viper will do 190mph+, but it's still a Chrysler. Honda has as much racing heritage (some would say more) as almost any other manufacturer. So I don't know if you were jesting or not, but if you're serious that's kind of dumb to say.
Um I dont know if your joking or not but, you just listed some of the baddest cars on the planet and your comparing them to a pringle can honda that was designed to run on 85 octane and get 30+ mpg.
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The Z06 is fast, but it's still a Chevy. The Ford GT is ok, but it's still a Ford. The Viper will do 190mph+, but it's still a Chrysler. Honda has as much racing heritage (some would say more) as almost any other manufacturer. So I don't know if you were jesting or not, but if you're serious that's kind of dumb to say.
I don't know about that one dude. Detroit invented the muscle cars. When American muscle was doing all sorts of racing from drag racing to circle track, Honda and Toyota were still trying to get a motor over 3.0 liters. We have more heritage than any automotive manufacturer in the asian market. When you see a 70 ss Chevelle that is clean as hell people look, stare, point, and say "nice car", when do you see anybody say nice car to 79 accord?
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Now onto the civic, its one I can respect. Its the way a civic should be built. I have seen guys around here put fart cans on the back and a header and swear they are running 13's and then they get beat by a stock Nissan Maxima.
I don't know about that one dude. Detroit invented the muscle cars. When American muscle was doing all sorts of racing from drag racing to circle track, Honda and Toyota were still trying to get a motor over 3.0 liters. We have more heritage than any automotive manufacturer in the asian market. When you see a 70 ss Chevelle that is clean as hell people look, stare, point, and say "nice car", when do you see anybody say nice car to 79 accord?
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Now onto the civic, its one I can respect. Its the way a civic should be built. I have seen guys around here put fart cans on the back and a header and swear they are running 13's and then they get beat by a stock Nissan Maxima.
The Z06 is fast, but it's still a Chevy. The Ford GT is ok, but it's still a Ford. The Viper will do 190mph+, but it's still a Chrysler. Honda has as much racing heritage (some would say more) as almost any other manufacturer. So I don't know if you were jesting or not, but if you're serious that's kind of dumb to say.
all i can say is a guy they sold a mustang and got a S2000 and is on a lsx forum. lol
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^^^^yes, but there is still no heritage in that link that is what I was stating not the fact that who has the oldest car. The first car I saw in the link that had any racing it was doing was from 1958 and it was rally racing. Put it in perspective of what people remember. People remember who Smokey Yunick was and Dick Harrell. Thats heritage. Most people here will not remember anybody in the Honda or Nissan racing world. I will say this they are making their heritage in the Nascar Truck series and Nextel Cup. People will know who they and their heritage will be built as time goes by
Just because they aren't well known in America doesn't make their racing heritage any less prestigious. Like I said, Honda got their start making/racing motorcycles. And they have decades of experience racing and winning in Formula One. When somebody says "racing," they aren't just talking about dragstrips and Nascar. Go anywhere else in world, and names like Ayrton Senna, Nelson Piquet and Alain Prost are as household as Dale Earnhardt and John Force. So my point was that saying "just a Honda" doesn't make anymore sense than saying "just a Ford," or "just a Chevy." Honda made/makes Civics, Ford made/makes Escorts and Foci, GM made/makes the Citation/Cavalier/Aveo (yes I know the Aveo is technically a Daewoo). The Big 3 made their name in drag racing and NASCAR (and Ford in LeMans racing), Honda made its name in motorcycle racing, Formula One, and Indy car racing. No one is better than the other.
Edit: And for the record, Honda was competing in Formula One in 1963.
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I'm a little suprised at the idiot GM fanboys in this thread.
I like GM as well but I'm not close minded about the sucess other brands have had as well.
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Just because they aren't well known in America doesn't make their racing heritage any less prestigious. Like I said, Honda got their start making/racing motorcycles. And they have decades of experience racing and winning in Formula One. When somebody says "racing," they aren't just talking about dragstrips and Nascar. Go anywhere else in world, and names like Ayrton Senna, Nelson Piquet and Alain Prost are as household as Dale Earnhardt and John Force. So my point was that saying "just a Honda" doesn't make anymore sense than saying "just a Ford," or "just a Chevy." Honda made/makes Civics, Ford made/makes Escorts and Foci, GM made/makes the Citation/Cavalier/Aveo (yes I know the Aveo is technically a Daewoo). The Big 3 made their name in drag racing and NASCAR (and Ford in LeMans racing), Honda made its name in motorcycle racing, Formula One, and Indy car racing. No one is better than the other.
Edit: And for the record, Honda was competing in Formula One in 1963.
Their heritage just doesn't go back as far as the cars of the American Heritage. I agree no one is better than the other since it was mostly in different aspects of racing. We were involved just as much in Indy as they were and we were bigger in the sport than they were but then again alot of Indy racing is done here.
Since were picking on this subject and we have this guys thread, Honda made its debut in F1 racing in 1964 not 1963.
I don't know about that one dude. Detroit invented the muscle cars. When American muscle was doing all sorts of racing from drag racing to circle track, Honda and Toyota were still trying to get a motor over 3.0 liters. We have more heritage than any automotive manufacturer in the asian market. When you see a 70 ss Chevelle that is clean as hell people look, stare, point, and say "nice car", when do you see anybody say nice car to 79 accord?
other countries had no desire for large CI engines. we were the only people thinking bigger is better.
even though we did achieve higher hp numbers with the larger engines. honda engines have always been very efficient for their size. just an example i compared a 1972 honda civic (first year they were released) against a 1972 chevelle SS
Chevelle SS being the LS5 featuring 454 cubic inches with a net horsepower rating of 270. hp per CI = .60
Honda began selling the 1169 cc (70 in³) transversely mounted inline four-cylinder Civic for about US$2,200 (AU$2,804). The car produced roughly 50 hp (37 kW) hp per CI = .71
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other countries had no desire for large CI engines. we were the only people thinking bigger is better.
even though we did achieve higher hp numbers with the larger engines. honda engines have always been very efficient for their size. just an example i compared a 1972 honda civic (first year they were released) against a 1972 chevelle SS
Chevelle SS being the LS5 featuring 454 cubic inches with a net horsepower rating of 270. hp per CI = .60
Honda began selling the 1169 cc (70 in³) transversely mounted inline four-cylinder Civic for about US$2,200 (AU$2,804). The car produced roughly 50 hp (37 kW) hp per CI = .71
other countries had no desire for large CI engines. we were the only people thinking bigger is better.
even though we did achieve higher hp numbers with the larger engines. honda engines have always been very efficient for their size. just an example i compared a 1972 honda civic (first year they were released) against a 1972 chevelle SS
Chevelle SS being the LS5 featuring 454 cubic inches with a net horsepower rating of 270. hp per CI = .60
Honda began selling the 1169 cc (70 in³) transversely mounted inline four-cylinder Civic for about US$2,200 (AU$2,804). The car produced roughly 50 hp (37 kW) hp per CI = .71
Um I dont know if your joking or not but, you just listed some of the baddest cars on the planet and your comparing them to a pringle can honda that was designed to run on 85 octane and get 30+ mpg.
You ever see what kind of lap times hondas put down? They have a long racing heritage.
They are very fast around the track, I still dont get why people are so damn ignorant.
Of course RWD is better, but they have so much after market support they parts to make them a very capable car.
How many sub 13sec cars has honda put into production? I cant seem to think of any, interesting they have such a racing heritage but they cant even build a car as fast as a stock ls1 f-bod
Hondas are good for one thing....DAILY DRIVING!! I own an Accord and its a good car but has about as much performance potential as a 12-speed bicycle
a guy they sold a mustang and got a S2000 and is on a lsx forum. lol
this guys thread, Honda made its debut in F1 racing in 1964 not 1963.
