Click here to visit LS1Tech
Click here to visit Performance Trucks
Click here to visit Mod Motor Tech
Click here to visit Modern Hemi
LS1Tech Wiki

LS1TECH  

Go Back   LS1TECH > LS1-LS2-LS3-LS6-LS7 PERFORMANCE > Nitrous Oxide
New! Use your Facebook, Google, AIM & Yahoo accounts to securely log into LS1Tech.com, click logo to login  

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-14-2009, 01:08 AM   #1
Teching In
 
Trader Rating: 2
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: altoona,p.a
Posts: 19
Default timing retards after an n/a tune

what timing retard is everyone using for there nitrous .. my car will have a set of texas speed heads/ms3 cam/full bolt ons/ converter etc etc... i want to have the car tuned n/a for max power and they use hp tuners.. once i have that done can i just add the nitrous using a timing retard.. in my head i dont see why i would need it tuned for both, when using a wet kit.. whatever timing retard i get will have to be capable of 10 deg retard as i will hit this thing up to a 250 once i get the standalone installed, thanks

p.s- i was looking at the interface but it only pulls 3 deg's. so that is out..
biggb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 02:15 AM   #2
TECH Fanatic
 
Trader Rating: 9
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,293
Default

[quote=biggb;1

p.s- i was looking at the interface but it only pulls 3 deg's. so that is
out..[/QUOTE]
I think it can pull more if you use HP tuner with it,but you may want to check with Harris to be sure
john563 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 02:24 AM   #3
Teching In
 
Trader Rating: 2
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: altoona,p.a
Posts: 19
Default

yes i do know that to be true, i dont have hp tuners and do not want to invest in that software or laptop , im going to have it tuned n/a and the tuner use's hp.
biggb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 09:42 AM   #4
10 Second Club
1998 Chevrolet Camaro
My Garage
 
jmm98LS1's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 20
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: KS
Posts: 3,339
Default

Timing Tuner.....also works as a window switch and delay box. I'm using one, works good.
__________________

VIDS:370ci idle clip / Truck 383 Idle clip
-98 NBM Z/28 M6: 370ci, 12:1, PRC 5.3's, Fast 92/92, custom cam, NOS fogger, 9"/4.33, spohn suspension, 10.790 @ 134.8mph
-85 Chevy Silverado SWB: Roller-cammed 383 stroker, vortec heads, 10.4:1, M21 muncie 4 speed
jmm98LS1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 10:17 AM   #5
TECH Fanatic
 
Trader Rating: 9
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,293
Default

also lingenfelter has a nice one too,but its some $$ I hear..Daves nitrous outlet carries it
john563 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 10:26 AM   #6
Staging Lane
 
Trader Rating: 3
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: evansville, indiana
Posts: 68
Default

just watch the for sale threads. they are up for grabs all the time.
__________________
stock sb 346 afr 205's,t-rex v2, ported ls6 n tb, 85mm lid n maf, built t56 w/ spec3, moser 12bolt w/4.56 gears and duramaxish 3in dual to 5in single dump over axle exhaust...some bmr/hotchkis suspension goodies
quickbrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 12:11 PM   #7
TECH Fanatic
 
kinglt-1's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 11
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,917
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by biggb View Post
yes i do know that to be true, i dont have hp tuners and do not want to invest in that software or laptop , im going to have it tuned n/a and the tuner use's hp.
you can have them altered via a mail order tune from frost.
__________________

2002 Z28, 1sc, A4, SLP lid, 1.85 rockers, jantzer ptb, hooker LT's w/ ory, cb exhaust, shift kit, 3.73's. times to come...
2000 Buick GS, gutted oe airbox, 3.4 pulley, 3" down pipe w/ stock exhaust, full tune. 13.81@101.2
2003 Silverado LS x-cab, 5.3, Airaid cai, 3.73's.
kinglt-1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 12:23 PM   #8
TECH Regular
 
Twotonefreak's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 4
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Southeast of Disorder
Posts: 406
Send a message via Yahoo to Twotonefreak
Default

Just do the relay timing tricker and have your tuner modify the IAT tables. Cheap and effective.
__________________
Twotonefreak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 12:58 PM   #9
Teching In
 
Trader Rating: 2
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: altoona,p.a
Posts: 19
Default

modify them when he tunes the n/a part of it?

im digging the lingenfelter timing retard.. 15 deg's of retard without any other mods, but i was wondering do i have to use the step rpm to use the retard ? will it work without that.. the timing tuner is nice if it is a window switch , as i was told not to spray through the shifts on my trans/converter...

initially i wanted the interface but the fact that i would have to trailer the car out of town again when nitrous went on was the killer to that plan..



im going to build the shortblock now since winter is here in p.a.. but that is a whole other decision and a half hahaha ....
biggb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 01:05 PM   #10
Staging Lane
1967 Chevrolet Camaro
 
jman54002's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 5
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 77
Default

timing tuner works for me. I has a lot of settings and is quick to set and be done. I know there is a lot of sponsore on here that have them also. tuner seems real simple to me.
jman54002 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 05:56 PM   #11
TECH Fanatic
 
kinglt-1's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 11
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,917
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by biggb View Post
modify them when he tunes the n/a part of it?



initially i wanted the interface but the fact that i would have to trailer the car out of town again when nitrous went on was the killer to that plan..
why would you have to trailer the car? Send the pcm to your tuner and have the tables adjusted. Whats so hard about that?
__________________

2002 Z28, 1sc, A4, SLP lid, 1.85 rockers, jantzer ptb, hooker LT's w/ ory, cb exhaust, shift kit, 3.73's. times to come...
2000 Buick GS, gutted oe airbox, 3.4 pulley, 3" down pipe w/ stock exhaust, full tune. 13.81@101.2
2003 Silverado LS x-cab, 5.3, Airaid cai, 3.73's.
kinglt-1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2009, 08:34 PM   #12
LS1Tech Sponsor
 
Jason Haines @ LPE's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Decatur, IN
Posts: 171
Default Lingenfelter LNC timing retard

You can trigger the timing retard portion of the Lingenfelter LNC-002 and never use the 2-step/RPM limiter function if you want. Separate triggers exist for each. The timing retard is not RPM triggered although you could use our digital RPM window switch or our MPH switch (or most other devices) to trigger it if you wanted to. It can also just be activated when ever the nitrous is activated.

With the timing retard function you can adjust the amount of retard and the rate of the retard.



Quote:
Originally Posted by biggb View Post
modify them when he tunes the n/a part of it?

im digging the lingenfelter timing retard.. 15 deg's of retard without any other mods, but i was wondering do i have to use the step rpm to use the retard ? will it work without that.. the timing tuner is nice if it is a window switch , as i was told not to spray through the shifts on my trans/converter...

initially i wanted the interface but the fact that i would have to trailer the car out of town again when nitrous went on was the killer to that plan..



im going to build the shortblock now since winter is here in p.a.. but that is a whole other decision and a half hahaha ....
__________________
Jason Haines, Project Director
Lingenfelter Performance Engineering
260-724-2552
www.lingenfelter.com
Jason Haines @ LPE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2009, 12:46 AM   #13
Teching In
 
Trader Rating: 2
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: altoona,p.a
Posts: 19
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kinglt-1 View Post
why would you have to trailer the car? Send the pcm to your tuner and have the tables adjusted. Whats so hard about that?
why would i.. no point in letting the car sit, when all i need is a perfect n/a tune .. after that all i need is a way to get the timing out of the car for the spray and a window switch for safety....with a stand alone fuel system, wet nitrous kit.. i dont see a reason why it would need to sent away at this stage in the game.. if this will get me started , that would be great. i do plan on buying tuning software eventually down the road,but for now im only looking to go 9.50's or so nothing major...
biggb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2009, 12:49 AM   #14
Teching In
 
Trader Rating: 2
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: altoona,p.a
Posts: 19
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Haines @ LPE View Post
You can trigger the timing retard portion of the Lingenfelter LNC-002 and never use the 2-step/RPM limiter function if you want. Separate triggers exist for each. The timing retard is not RPM triggered although you could use our digital RPM window switch or our MPH switch (or most other devices) to trigger it if you wanted to. It can also just be activated when ever the nitrous is activated.

With the timing retard function you can adjust the amount of retard and the rate of the retard.

this will be wired to retard as the nitrous power on switch is selected.. using a micro switch and footbraking the car for this year, i dont see a 2 step being needed, thanks i have made my choice
biggb is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
retard, timing, tricker


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:58 PM.

LS1TECH - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0
Advertising - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy - JOBS