Nick Wouldnt you agree though that they should concider the fact if going dry they will hit a point to where they have maxed out the mass air meter. I recently had a customer of yours that had a heads and cam car hit a wall with the interface due to how it works.
In order for him to continue to use that item he would have had to make tuning changes that would alter his daily N/A driving.
Since this guys already has a stick in the car there will be apoint depending on how much he wants to spray that he would hit the same problem..
Agree or disagree?
Dave
Actually I would disagree with you. We have a very firm grasp of OE electronics and we can use the translation function of the Interface to extend the factory limitations of the ls1 factory computers. Customers that run standard dry shots can reach the limits of a maf rather quickly and can easily remedy this with the use of the Interface translator feature. There isn't much that this bad boy can't do.
I am very concerned about maxing out the mass air sensor.
I would want to do this right and do it the first time...
I know I will have to pull timing, and thats why the Microedge controller was attractive to me, I know I will have to do plugs, Thats not an issue...
100% agree with you. Do it once and be done. The nice thing about the dry plate kit is that it can be changed to suit your needs. Nothing would be lost on it if you decided to change directions. You can still use the Interface to pull timing and adjust a/f in precise increments on a wet shot.
Actually I would disagree with you. We have a very firm grasp of OE electronics and we can use the translation function of the Interface to extend the factory limitations of the ls1 factory computers. Customers that run standard dry shots can reach the limits of a maf rather quickly and can easily remedy this with the use of the Interface translator feature. There isn't much that this bad boy can't do.
Nick
I would be very intersted in this information. The reply letter you gave to us specificly said we were maxing the MAF...Which I agree 100% with
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Actually I would disagree with you. We have a very firm grasp of OE electronics and we can use the translation function of the Interface to extend the factory limitations of the ls1 factory computers. Customers that run standard dry shots can reach the limits of a maf rather quickly and can easily remedy this with the use of the Interface translator feature. There isn't much that this bad boy can't do.
Nick
Nick,
Can you explain how this works? I think it would be helpful to many of your customers.
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I also am planning on using a NANO kit as well. I can use it on a dry kit?
I love that I got so much support both from The nitro outlet and HSW.
Now just to figure out if I want to go with a dry or wetshot...
For a 150/175 HP shot of dry nitrous, what else would I have to do? Larger pump? BAP? Larger injectors?
Well see here is yet another cool feature of the Interface...you can use the top end fueling feature to match the consistent bottle pressure when used in conjunction with a push style system. Nice smooth a/f line! I don't know if he's been online in some time but if you'd like another opinion or take on using the Interface in conjunction with nano shoot Robert56 a pm. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to answer a few or your questions.
You have the 255 pump, I think I read that on the first page, no? Might want to look into a hotwire kit regardless of which way you go. The dry shot might cut it close on the larger shot size but if you haven't done injectors yet that's an easy fix.
I have the Hard Line Plate from Nitrous Outlet on a LT1 and it is dead sexy looks like it should be there. Also there customer service is excellent! They have answered every question I have ask and then some. Thanks Chris and Dave! Just my 2 cents and thought I would let you know my experience with Nitrous Outlet.
Hey Nick I wanted to post this here so everyone could learn how the system. works by following along. I hope that is ok?
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Hey, just read your post. What did you need help with?
Nick
Robert installed a system on a customers car. Never did work and Robert was not even sure how to use it. The customer was very upset.
Customer contacted you and after exchanging e-mails you told him what I had told him before he even bought the system. The MAF is maxed out and will not add any more fuel
The customer is so un-happy over it all he is selling the car.
BTW 416ci LS3 w/2001 PCM that pulls 450-460GPS on the MAF N/A
I am very well versed on the aspects of the GM systems. From what I can tell your system is run like a MAF translator plus with a nice user interface.
It is much like the setup I tuned into my LT1 back in the late 90s. Nice setup but it seems to have to same draw backs as the other systems. Even Playing with the sensor numbers the limits get in the way.
Any input would be great!
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It extends the range. Flip dip switch config 3 to ON.
Nick
Nick,
In order to get it to work once you have reached the full capability of the mass air meter with a stock pcm tume it would require a complete tune and re-scale of many tables.
Am I wrong?
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I flipped back through some of the support tickets to see who the customer was. Is this in regards to a Mr. Case? If so, going through the support ticket there first was some confusion as to the wiring of the system. He also questioned the use of config. 3 and mis-interpreted it for top end fueling. Both features are entirely separate. He would need to first set the config. prior to attempting a top end feature. After explaining this to him we haven't heard back. I would encourage him to finalize the system to ensure ideal a/f.
Had this been a traditional dry kit, there wouldn't be an opportunity to expand the benefits of dry systems like there is with the Interface. This is such a great feature that is generally overshadowed by negative light shed by certain parties. Dry shots aren't the devil, in fact they work great...it just appears that some people are afraid of advanced technology.
Nick
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Originally Posted by TwoFast4Lv
Hey Nick I wanted to post this here so everyone could learn how the system. works by following along. I hope that is ok?
Robert installed a system on a customers car. Never did work and Robert was not even sure how to use it. The customer was very upset.
Customer contacted you and after exchanging e-mails you told him what I had told him before he even bought the system. The MAF is maxed out and will not add any more fuel
The customer is so un-happy over it all he is selling the car.
BTW 416ci LS3 w/2001 PCM that pulls 450-460GPS on the MAF N/A
I am very well versed on the aspects of the GM systems. From what I can tell your system is run like a MAF translator plus with a nice user interface.
It is much like the setup I tuned into my LT1 back in the late 90s. Nice setup but it seems to have to same draw backs as the other systems. Even Playing with the sensor numbers the limits get in the way.
Nick,
In order to get it to work once you have reached the full capability of the mass air meter with a stock pcm tume it would require a complete tune and re-scale of many tables.
Am I wrong?
Its a simple multiplication across. Generally speaking its very similar to a generic tune. These tables need to be modified regardless in a tune so its really nothing above and beyond. Once again, this is such a break through for dry nitrous use. By expanding this, dry nitrous can be utilized by numerous people without the expense of ascertaining expensive aftermarket stand alone ecu's. Just a generic question, how would one fuel a traditional dry nitrous kit if he hit the limits of the stock ecu? I think you're neglecting the fact that this unit is a serious piece of equipment that has taken dry nitrous use to new levels on a stock pcm.
You have the 255 pump, I think I read that on the first page, no? Might want to look into a hotwire kit regardless of which way you go. The dry shot might cut it close on the larger shot size but if you haven't done injectors yet that's an easy fix.
I do have a 255 pump and it is hotwired. I also do have 42# injectors... both should be suffice?
Now If I were to buy the HSW Dryplate kit with the expansion/addon pack... would/could I install it myself? and Tune it myself?
I also am planning on using a NANO kit as well. I can use it on a dry kit?
I love that I got so much support both from The nitro outlet and HSW.
Now just to figure out if I want to go with a dry or wetshot...
For a 150/175 HP shot of dry nitrous, what else would I have to do? Larger pump? BAP? Larger injectors?
The nano system works very well. We are one of there largest dealers.
If going wet you will never need to worry about the injectors..
A factory walboro fuel pump is good for about 450-500 rear wheel hp. A race tronix system will be good for about 650 rear wheel HP.
Other than that you will need to change the spark plugs. If shooting a 100 to 150 the BR7ef plug would be a good choice.
Another thing to concider with going with a wet system. is that the fuel and the nitrous are equilly attomized together as they enter the airstream. As the mixture and air inters the intake manifold the motor is going to pull the mixture and air flow into the cylinders how ever it chooses.
I would much rather have an evenlly matched flow and fuel and nitrous entering ecah chamber than having the injectors add X amount of fuel no matter how much nitrous found its way into the chamber..
Im not saying hey buy my product. You can buy a Wet system from harris is what you choose. Im just simply stating that a PROPERLY designed wet system is a much better choice when using the factory PCM.. Again to each his own..
Dave
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I flipped back through some of the support tickets to see who the customer was. Is this in regards to a Mr. Case? If so, going through the support ticket there first was some confusion as to the wiring of the system. He also questioned the use of config. 3 and mis-interpreted it for top end fueling. Both features are entirely separate. He would need to first set the config. prior to attempting a top end feature. After explaining this to him we haven't heard back. I would encourage him to finalize the system to ensure ideal a/f.
Had this been a traditional dry kit, there wouldn't be an opportunity to expand the benefits of dry systems like there is with the Interface. This is such a great feature that is generally overshadowed by negative light shed by certain parties. Dry shots aren't the devil, in fact they work great...it just appears that some people are afraid of advanced technology.
Nick
Nick.
I can not comment on or for the customer, just my involvement. After six monthes he gave up. I helped him as much as I could with what we had to work with. The installer was un-available and of no use. I do beleave he was an Autherized installer?
I think you have a good product here and I am not afraid of it in the least. I under stand it and how it works working with systems like it before.
I would like to lay down one or two fact's. There is no way to extrend the limits in a real fashion with out a complete re-scale of a some tables. You can lie to the computer but in the end once you reach the end of the table you are done and so is the fuel.
You want to know how to really fix it? Use a custom built MAF and rescale the stock MAF table to improve the range. I have in fact done this in the past. It goes against what most say is accepted but in the end works great.
Again I would like to say it ias a great product as long as it is used with in its limits. It should ahve never been used on this car. Had I not under stood how it worked the engine may have been melted down by the tuner who was going to install a SD tune on the car.
BTW could you add a big warning not to use this system with a SD tune?
I am in no way trying to pick on you ot HSW just trying to make sure people know here they are going
BTW I was running a dry kit on a LTx when they were just coming out for a LSx
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Its a simple multiplication across. Generally speaking its very similar to a generic tune. These tables need to be modified regardless in a tune so its really nothing above and beyond. Once again, this is such a break through for dry nitrous use. By expanding this, dry nitrous can be utilized by numerous people without the expense of ascertaining expensive aftermarket stand alone ecu's. Just a generic question, how would one fuel a traditional dry nitrous kit if he hit the limits of the stock ecu? I think you're neglecting the fact that this unit is a serious piece of equipment that has taken dry nitrous use to new levels on a stock pcm.
Nick
Nick,
I understand that the controller works by changing the frequency of the maff. At what point does the frequency maxes out using the stock pcm tune. I assume the interface can only change the frequency to a certain amount. Then at that point you will have to alter the pcm tune.
Am I wrong..
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I do have a 255 pump and it is hotwired. I also do have 42# injectors... both should be suffice?
Now If I were to buy the HSW Dryplate kit with the expansion/addon pack... would/could I install it myself? and Tune it myself?
Chris,
Actually we host all of our manuals online. Just jump over to the tech section and it will have links for everything. The interface uses simple switches to dial in your a/f.
The injectors might be slightly on the small size for the larger shot. Good on the pump and hotwire.
I would be very intersted in this information. The reply letter you gave to us specificly said we were maxing the MAF...Which I agree 100% with
i had a similar expirience with the interface. i finally pulled it off, shipped it back and had to file a dispute with my bank to get my money back. went back to my wet plate kit and am a happy camper. there were a few people having problems with it at the same time i was. it funny that you say robert didnt know how it worked considering how he mentions it in every post on the corvette forum.
