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10-13-2008, 09:50 AM
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#1 | | 12 Second Club
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|  Speed Shifting, I Need Help!!!!
Ok I Have the power but the shifting ability of a 3 year old. My car puts down enough power to put it into mid 11's. (mods in the sig) The driver (me) can only seem to get it to a 12.3. I have been trying to learn how to shift without lifting off the gas. I will admitt I get nervious on the track but I seem to miss shift on alot of passes. Insteed of doing a fast punch on the clutch should i put it all the way to the floor keeping the gas down and move and try to get it down that way faster and faster. Please help with this. 
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On order: Fast 92 full port & TB
To come by spring, full race 8.8 with axles, stubs, shafts, and driveshaft. 
Best e.t 12.35 @ 114.4mph with a 1.87 60, | 
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10-13-2008, 10:13 AM
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Nobody can help with this?
__________________ 06 GTO 457wrhp 421torque AFR 205's hellraiser comp cam, 1 7/8th kooks long tubes, catless mids, spintech catback, underdrive pully, MT's, Textrallia OZ700 clutch and GMM Rip Shifter, BMR Drag bags, BMR safty loop, Braided clutch line, Ling fuel pump, oil catch can, Lucus 42lb injectors...
On order: Fast 92 full port & TB
To come by spring, full race 8.8 with axles, stubs, shafts, and driveshaft.
Best e.t 12.35 @ 114.4mph with a 1.87 60, | |
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10-13-2008, 10:15 AM
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#3 | | Launching!
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It's only been 20 minutes since you made the first post.. Chill out.
It's something that just takes practice. How many passes have you made at the track?
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10-13-2008, 10:38 AM
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#4 | | Registered User
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Originally Posted by 06black6spd  Ok I Have the power but the shifting ability of a 3 year old. My car puts down enough power to put it into mid 11's. (mods in the sig) The driver (me) can only seem to get it to a 12.3. I have been trying to learn how to shift without lifting off the gas. I will admitt I get nervious on the track but I seem to miss shift on alot of passes. Insteed of doing a fast punch on the clutch should i put it all the way to the floor keeping the gas down and move and try to get it down that way faster and faster. Please help with this. | The way I learned to powershift really quick was practicing at a lower RPM untill I got it to where my RPMS wouldnt rise more than 100 or so RPMs untill I shifted.
Just keep pressure on the shifter, pulling/pushing towards your next gear even before you think about shifting (it wont pop out). Then just mash the clutch and relese, I doubt you need to PLANT it to the floor but a quick kick works well for me. If you get it quick, you wont even notice your RPMs going up whial your foot is on the gas and clutch.
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10-13-2008, 12:05 PM
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got it, i have attempted it maybe maybe 7-8 times. The thing is my buddy told me about it. The first two times I tried it i went from my best of a 12.4 to a 12.3. I pulled it off twice in a row. I then wanted to get faster at it so I think I have been too fast on the cluch stab for my shift. I will try to keep presure on the shifter between shifts next. Someone told me that I could pull it out of gear premature, but ill give it a shot. I am going again this wend. I hope to get a 12.0 out of it before the end of the season up here
__________________ 06 GTO 457wrhp 421torque AFR 205's hellraiser comp cam, 1 7/8th kooks long tubes, catless mids, spintech catback, underdrive pully, MT's, Textrallia OZ700 clutch and GMM Rip Shifter, BMR Drag bags, BMR safty loop, Braided clutch line, Ling fuel pump, oil catch can, Lucus 42lb injectors...
On order: Fast 92 full port & TB
To come by spring, full race 8.8 with axles, stubs, shafts, and driveshaft.
Best e.t 12.35 @ 114.4mph with a 1.87 60, | |
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10-13-2008, 12:25 PM
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#6 | | Registered User
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You could pull it out of gear if your not a WOT, but when on the gas that thing is in there pretty good. | |
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10-13-2008, 01:28 PM
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So how much time can i save using this technique? 3..4ths?
__________________ 06 GTO 457wrhp 421torque AFR 205's hellraiser comp cam, 1 7/8th kooks long tubes, catless mids, spintech catback, underdrive pully, MT's, Textrallia OZ700 clutch and GMM Rip Shifter, BMR Drag bags, BMR safty loop, Braided clutch line, Ling fuel pump, oil catch can, Lucus 42lb injectors...
On order: Fast 92 full port & TB
To come by spring, full race 8.8 with axles, stubs, shafts, and driveshaft.
Best e.t 12.35 @ 114.4mph with a 1.87 60, | |
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10-13-2008, 02:14 PM
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From my experience, just kick the clutch and let out slightly with the gas.....I mean, I gained nothing by keeping the gas down when I shifted just caused me to hit the rev limiter more often than not.
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10-16-2008, 01:22 PM
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#9 | | LS1Tech Sponsor
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No real need to keep the gas pedal down if you can physically be quick enough with both feet and your right arm. Just practice shifting faster using the clutch and gas pedal. Practice a little on the street if you have to, but be careful and I wouldn't drive any longer than the 2-3 shift on the street like that. You might get some unwanted attention or a big speeding ticket trying to reach teh 3-4 shift.
My first GTO was an '04 M6. It just had Kooks headers, high-flow cats, LPE intake, 160 degree thermostat, GMM shifter, and a semi-tune. On bald factory BFG tires I was cutting high 1.8 60' times, and ripping across the track with mid 12's consistantly. I shifted properly, just VERY quickly.
Get that launch down to a mid-1.8 60' at least (hot lap the car a few times if you have to so you can learn what works best), get the fast shifting down, and create some 11-second time slips!  | |
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10-16-2008, 01:48 PM
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#10 | | Teching In
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Originally Posted by Andrew@MarylandSpeed Get that launch down to a mid-1.8 60' at least (hot lap the car a few times if you have to so you can learn what works best), get the fast shifting down, and create some 11-second time slips! | +1 great coaching. I'd add that the lift and shift technique was a must for us in the early days of the 2004 when a full on power shift often resulted in tire spinning wheel hop and a worse time. Perdieu feels that powershifting is worth an additional 2 tenths but he is running a first class set of wheels and tires which is very important, probably more so than the shifting. On the other hand, here is a practice session, when you hit it the shift it sure feels good and sounds nice. JMHO http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30553159&hl=en | |
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10-16-2008, 05:22 PM
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Still did not get it down boys. The car still has a rubber hose on the clutch line, I ordered a steel braided one among alot of other things today. Also spend more money with you Andrew at Maryland speed!!! I did cut consistant 1.86-1.88 60's with the Nitto's but for the power the car makes I finally got drag bags and some Mickey's. I ran a 12.5 @ 96mph only running through 3rd gear, I think it is starving for fluid and the stock hose is making it really hard to shift it into 4th quickley. The first 2 shifts go pretty easily its just 4th that gives me a really hard time.
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On order: Fast 92 full port & TB
To come by spring, full race 8.8 with axles, stubs, shafts, and driveshaft.
Best e.t 12.35 @ 114.4mph with a 1.87 60, | |
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10-24-2008, 08:53 PM
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Long time no see man! Get yourself a set of MT Bias Plys instead of radials, unless you are going down to a 15" rim. you need to get your 60' down in order to get the time you are looking for.
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10-24-2008, 10:19 PM
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Powershifting an OZ700 clutch requires perfect bleeding of the master and slave. That clutch tends to grab a little lower than stock, so with ANY air in the system whatsoever, your attempt to speedshift will either be too slow or grind gears. After mechanical issues are sorted, it all comes down to practice. Also, make damn sure you can do the 1-2 and 3-4 shifts before trying the 2-3, as that is the one that can fubar some shit if it accidentally goes 2-1.
edit-- I just reread your sig. Heat wrap the clutch lines, as your longtubes are probably putting a lot of heat in the fluid. | |
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10-26-2008, 01:38 PM
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you'll get it eventually, ive been driving a M6 since july of this year, never owned one before and this is my third pass on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbd_oT77u-M
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10-26-2008, 03:29 PM
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The way I learned it is to power shift at low RPM's while driving around town. You need to build up the muscle memory and after enough practice runs you'll be able to do it at the track without worry. Practice, practice, practice.
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10-28-2008, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RocketCutlass | Ya I got a braided clutch line for it with a remote bleeder for it. It is also heat wrapped, i will also be using motul for the clutch fluid as well, hey boosted, ya got the mickeys as well, next spring should be intiresting
__________________ 06 GTO 457wrhp 421torque AFR 205's hellraiser comp cam, 1 7/8th kooks long tubes, catless mids, spintech catback, underdrive pully, MT's, Textrallia OZ700 clutch and GMM Rip Shifter, BMR Drag bags, BMR safty loop, Braided clutch line, Ling fuel pump, oil catch can, Lucus 42lb injectors...
On order: Fast 92 full port & TB
To come by spring, full race 8.8 with axles, stubs, shafts, and driveshaft.
Best e.t 12.35 @ 114.4mph with a 1.87 60, | |
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10-28-2008, 02:06 PM
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#17 | | Staging Lane
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you can practice rowing the gears in the driveway, too. you dont HAVE to be driving to get that muscle memory down not as fun, but it works.
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