Will GM Maybe advance to making the New TA a 4 Valve motor?

[bjamick]

Ya i was just thinking that if GM made a 4 valve per cylinder lsx based motor that would be a sick ride off the showroom floor. Kinda like ford but keep the CI's I know that the single cam 2 valve motor like the LS1's make great power but think if it had 2 more valves per cylinder . I know the single under head cam is like the tradition for GM's muscle cars but maybe its time to advance.

What you guys think of this idea? Even though it probably wont happen, i was just thinking.

[Formula350]

It's called a Northstar motor lol

[bjamick]

But will a performance type be going into the new trans am? Thats the question, bc all trans ams have always been single cam, 16 valve engines. I know bout the Northstar engines but those are caddy motors .

[ExTurbo]

their not making a new T/A but they are looking at a 3 valve motor in the future, probably going to be a 5 liter

[gonefishn1212]

Originally Posted by bjamick

But will a performance type be going into the new trans am? Thats the question, bc all trans ams have always been single cam, 16 valve engines. I know bout the Northstar engines but those are caddy motors .

New Trans Am?.?.?.?.?. people really need to start getting it through their heads that gm will never ressurect the T/A think of it....... new camaro's are coming out in '09 its their new "baby" to get back in the competiton with the stang, charger, & challenger & i think even the Skyline (GTr) .
besides gm would just be competing with themselves by bringing the T/A back, because of the fact they'd still be on the same plat form and that they already have the GTO and the Solstice.

i believe that gm wont bring back the T/A because when looking at units sold.... camaros sold more than firebirds. (but i could be worng)

[bjamick]

Originally Posted by gonefishn1212

New Trans Am?.?.?.?.?. people really need to start getting it through their heads that gm will never ressurect the T/A think of it....... new camaro's are coming out in '09 its their new "baby" to get back in the competiton with the stang, charger, & challenger & i think even the Skyline (GTr) .
besides gm would just be competing with themselves by bringing the T/A back, because of the fact they'd still be on the same plat form and that they already have the GTO and the Solstice.

i believe that gm wont bring back the T/A because when looking at units sold.... camaros sold more than firebirds. (but i could be worng)

Hey we can dream, but GM did re new(or whatever) the firebird and fiero name s: i think they will bring it back. I just want to see a better engine platform like you said maybe a 3 valve engine which i guess would be 1 intake and 2 exaust, performace wise this would be the way to go.

Ford already has the DOHC and 4 valves per cylinder which is why they run so good. Just hoping to see GM do this with their muscle cars.

[LTSpeed]

There's no new T/A in the works. However, GM isn't totally clueless. If the Camaro takes off, they will take notice. This is about as far as conversation within GM has gone so far though. So there's no reason to totally give up on it.

[ksuburban]

Unfortunatly the birds probly not comming back. The only reason that they keep the trademark name is so they can sell it when people wanna make a plastic car of the bird, or use the name.

[JD_AMG]

Originally Posted by bjamick

Hey we can dream, but GM did re new(or whatever) the firebird and fiero name s: i think they will bring it back. I just want to see a better engine platform like you said maybe a 3 valve engine which i guess would be 1 intake and 2 exaust, performace wise this would be the way to go.

Ford already has the DOHC and 4 valves per cylinder which is why they run so good. Just hoping to see GM do this with their muscle cars.

Whether they bring back the Firebird or not, It will probably have the same engine the Camaro gets.
And Fords DOHC engine is MASSIVE, look at the pic below, its their old 5.0 engine vs their new 4.6L engine.
Gm quit on the performance OHC V8 engines (LT5) because their heavier, bigger, and much more expencive.
Give me an OHV V8 anyday...

[TAtoad]

Originally Posted by bjamick
Hey we can dream, but GM did re new(or whatever) the firebird and fiero name s:


when did they?

['Trust']

Yup, been done LT5. Made good power for what it was, but horribly expensive to maintain, and even more so to mod. The pushrod V8 is an amazing design, and just because its old doesn't mean it should be replaced. A stock pushrod v8 making 505 HP out of a small block... pretty good IMO!!!

[Cumbias]

The T/A is gone people and no plans of ever coming back

[QuickT/A]

Originally Posted by Trust

Yup, been done LT5. Made good power for what it was, but horribly expensive to maintain, and even more so to mod. The pushrod V8 is an amazing design, and just because its old doesn't mean it should be replaced. A stock pushrod v8 making 505 HP out of a small block... pretty good IMO!!!

Made good power? You must have never ridden in a ZR-1.

I'm very exited to see what happens with pontiac in the near future. I would bet money that if the camaro sells well the firebird won't be far away. GM won't be competing with itself either, it never has in the past with the firebird.

[Mystic 98 TA]

regardless of whether they bring back the Birdies or not, GM would not really be competing with itself, since, IF it was brought back, the firebird would most likely be the sister of the Camaro, and would be built at the same plant with mostly the same parts as the Camaro.

If anything, its like having another option for consumers, either way, GM makes the $$$. No competition there.

That being said, Firebird ISNT coming back yet. So i'll be buying a new Camaro. But its ok, because it's sexy.

[bjamick]

As said above, The ZR1's were definitely a sick ride for their time. Hit a button and turn on the rest of the valves now thats just plain sick. I wish i owned one. Well i was also thinking that the bird prob. wont return bc the bird and the camaro always started at the same time; 1967, and also body styles changed at the same times so i do doubt the bird will be back but i can just dream.

[BigDaddyBry]

Originally Posted by gonefishn1212

New Trans Am?.?.?.?.?. people really need to start getting it through their heads that gm will never ressurect the T/A think of it....... new camaro's are coming out in '09 its their new "baby" to get back in the competiton with the stang, charger, & challenger & i think even the Skyline (GTr) .
besides gm would just be competing with themselves by bringing the T/A back, because of the fact they'd still be on the same plat form and that they already have the GTO and the Solstice.

i believe that gm wont bring back the T/A because when looking at units sold.... camaros sold more than firebirds. (but i could be worng)

Never say never. Someone will resurrect this thread in 5 years and prove you wrong...

[gonefishn1212]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyBry

Never say never. Someone will resurrect this thread in 5 years and prove you wrong...

you GOONIE

[Formula350]

Originally Posted by gonefishn1212

you GOONIE

Ruth... Ruth... Baby, Ruth?!

So would the 3-Valve be the LS3?

[530transam]

lexus uses 4 cams in the new is350. Its a naturally aspirated 310 horspower v-6. i think gm should definately use some more technology. I think nowadays a 4-cam aluminum v-8 with as much as 6.0 litres could make serious power. And they could use some navigation and some xenons. The worlds leaving pontiac behind and they wonder why they cant sell their cars. I for one am moving to BMW. Pontiac can kiss my ass i want something invented this century and i want something cutting edge rather than 80's technology. Corvette is headed in the right direction but for how long will we only have brute force? why not an engine that makes intelligent brute force? they laugh at pontiacs and gms in europe even at the zo6. im out....., im going tomorrow to order my 2007 BMW 335xi twin turbo all wheel drive with all the gadgets youll ever need navigation/i drive, advanced technology package, adaptive headlights, homelink and a high 12 second quarter mile even in the pouring rain. Pontiac better buy some technology before it dies.......

[BigDaddyBry]

I'll start off by saying I don't know shit about engine design at the level spoke about above. But from a layman's perspective, a 4 cam V6 resulting in 310hp still doesn't compare to what domestic manufacturers are producing at a much simpler level.