Wheres the Pontiac?

aaronloveszztop · 06-20-2007, 10:15 PM

I for one am hoping for a 2010 T/A I'll graduate college that year and plan on getting the camaro unless there's a T/A

pheonix_rising · 06-20-2007, 11:01 PM

Same here! Get crackin GM. You've got just a few years and I want a TA!!!

Jobu · 06-21-2007, 12:50 AM

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Settlemyer himself said no 'bird.

y2k_ta · 06-21-2007, 10:31 PM

Moving to Potential Pontiacs Forum...

Formula350 · 06-22-2007, 03:20 AM

Why did you have to move it here Y2K LOL Just lock it and post the link TO here so he can see all the 80 thousand "Where's the Firebird?" threads

DrkPhynx · 06-22-2007, 09:27 AM

How can anybody have an "either/or" perspective on this? camaro is NOT an option, period.

I only EVER bought an "f-body" because I was smitten by the Trans Am. A camaro is NOT a suitable stand in, and it never will be.

If there is no Trans Am (or at LEAST a Firebird), I'll buy a Challenger. (or *maybe* even a new Mustang)

wabmorgan · 06-23-2007, 12:56 AM

While I can understand how you can say a Camaro isn't a substitute for the Trans Am.... and I agree it is not... but why would you rather buy Mustang than the T/A's brethren the Camaro.... if the T/A winds up not to be?????

Do you think the Mustang is a substitute for your beloved T/A????

To me.... unless you just don't like the Camaro.... it would seem you would want to buy a Camaro!!!

Just seems like buying a Mustang is a kindred to sleeping with the emeny.... so to say.

If the bird is something I don't like or if they don't build it.... I will probably be looking to a C6 or a c5. (Personally....I like the c5 body better... but I like the C6's performance factor better. I also like the C6... cross goofy eyes not withstanding. )

DrkPhynx · 06-23-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wabmorgan

While I can understand how you can say a Camaro isn't a substitute for the Trans Am.... and I agree it is not... but why would you rather buy Mustang than the T/A's brethren the Camaro.... if the T/A winds up not to be?????

Do you think the Mustang is a substitute for your beloved T/A????

To me.... unless you just don't like the Camaro.... it would seem you would want to buy a Camaro!!!

Just seems like buying a Mustang is a kindred to sleeping with the emeny.... so to say.

If the bird is something I don't like or if they don't build it.... I will probably be looking to a C6 or a c5. (Personally....I like the c5 body better... but I like the C6's performance factor better. I also like the C6... cross goofy eyes not withstanding. )

That's the POINT. camaro is NOT an option. PERIOD. Never was, never will be. This is not an "oh, I can take the camaro if I can't find/get a Trans Am" - fuck that.

If they screw me and expect me to take whatever they graciously offer and expect me to walk into a damned chevy dealership.... I WILL go to the "enemy".

Besides, I really do like the current Mustang. And the Challenger looks kick ass. It's just begging for a 'Cuda front end and some Plum Crazy purple with flat black accents.

On that same note, C6 is not an option either because they FUBARed it. If I buy any 'Vette it will be C5 or earlier, and that means used. GM will get my money when they provide another Firebird. (and then I'll probably get a Solstice and a G6 on top of the T/A. G6 for daily driving, and Solstice for summer kick around toy - not to mention continuing to nudge people toward Pontiacs, something else I'd have to stop if they stiff us)

I never said to myself "gee, I want a V8 RWD from GM, let me see what they offer and I'll take the first thing I come across". I *specifically* sought out a Trans Am because THAT is what I wanted. End of story. No Trans Am (or at least a Firebird), nothing I want. (well, badly enough anyway, the other 2 are things I'd like to have but can forego them on principle)

(Which is why it's worth it to spend a few bucks to offer a second choice. You will capture more of the market that way and will not be self competing like some idiots want people to beleive. Nor do they have to spend millions of dollars to do it either - another internet fallacy. (they may have spent that much before, but that does not mean it's the only way to do it))

wabmorgan · 06-23-2007, 02:00 AM

Ahhh... I see... REVENGE is the point!!!!

[Don't necessarily fault you for that. Point taken. Sorry.]

DrkPhynx · 06-23-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wabmorgan

Ahhh... I see... REVENGE is the point!!!!

[Don't necessarily fault you for that. Point taken. Sorry.]

Mmm...not exactly. More a case of, there is only 1 car I really want. If they don't produce it, why in the hell would I buy an alternate version that I've never liked? Challenger and Mustang are secondary choices, but ones I may be pushed into due to the primary choice being left out.

Of course, it's just that much worse when the reason it's missing is because the head of product development has sand in his snatch over the name.

Formula350 · 06-23-2007, 10:08 AM

Not too keen on the G8 Dark? Even if they made a 2dr?

DrkPhynx · 06-23-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Formula350

Not too keen on the G8 Dark? Even if they made a 2dr?

Well, it's a sedan. I see no point to a 4 door, and find them all rather hideous. At best, they have to be qualified in their own right, IOW, the 300C looks good for a sedan.

If I HAD to buy a sedan, honestly, I'd be looking at a Bonneville SSEi and 300C. I think they both look better.

However, anything I'd ever need a 4-door for, I'd just go old school instead. My first car was a '71 Old 98 Royale 'vert. The day I got it, a buddy of mine who was about 5'8" and 350lbs (a big boy), put the backs of the front seats forward, and with the top up, was RUNNING through the back of my car, around the trunk, and through it again, doing freaking laps. And another friend who is like 6' or 6'1" got in the truck, and layed out drivers side to passengers side, fully stretched. I sat 6 people in that car comfortably with enough room in the trunk for all 6 to pack for a weeks vacation. lol

However, you said "even if they made a 2 door". It's 4000lbs without the jack and spare according to one Ozzy who owns one. That's not a performance car. That's a luxury car with some power. The T/A is too heavy as it is.

Holden manufactures for crappy Australian roads (or so I've heard), so they over-engineer everything. That's not inherently bad, except that it ends up weighing 10 tons.

IF, they whacked a few feet and 2 doors out of it and changed the front end and put a Phoenix on it, THEN I'd buy it.

(and start desperately scrambling to lose weight from it. lol)

Tamatt27 · 06-29-2007, 10:26 PM

Get a GTO. That's what I'm going to do. I agree with you, to an extent. The Camaro is not a suitable option for some of us 'Bird bretherin. As much as I'd love a new Trans Am, it's not going to happen for a while. GTO is coming back in 2010, just in time for my Trans Am to be payed off. I'm going for the GTO when it comes out. It's going to be more than a rebadged Monaro, though it will be built alongside the Monaro in Australia...

DrkPhynx · 06-29-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tamatt27

Get a GTO. That's what I'm going to do. I agree with you, to an extent. The Camaro is not a suitable option for some of us 'Bird bretherin. As much as I'd love a new Trans Am, it's not going to happen for a while. GTO is coming back in 2010, just in time for my Trans Am to be payed off. I'm going for the GTO when it comes out. It's going to be more than a rebadged Monaro, though it will be built alongside the Monaro in Australia...

Your willingness to accept anything thrown at you just may have something to do with that.

GTO is NOT a camaro twin, that is effed up beyond anything lutz has done so far.

No Trans Am (or at LEAST Firebird), no sale(s). Period.

Formula350 · 06-29-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrkPhynx

No Trans Am (or at LEAST Firebird), no sale(s). Period.

That ALSO is "effed" up. Don't show any support, that'll give them the picture that you want something -_-

DrkPhynx · 06-29-2007, 11:27 PM

I've only been a diehard GM fan for life. They've screwed up 1 car I love, and killed the other. (and of course all the really cool Muscle Cars are long gone as well)

So you suggest I buy whatever scraps they toss my way to show "support", in the hopes that someday they will make what I want to buy once again? Think about that - if people are willing to buy whever they deign to grace us with, why should or would they care about bring out what many claim to want but can't stop fighting amongst each other about? It would be far more logical to just keep making whatever 'we' bought in the first place because they know we'll keep on buying it in "support".

My Grandmother gets a pension, healthcare, and legal support from GM. There is NOTHING I would like better than to buy more new cars. But unless they make one I want - and especially if they commit such an atrocity as twinning a fecking camaro with a classic Muscle Car nameplate.... no way.

They'll have several sales to one person with immensely vocal support 24/7, guarenteed from me when the Trans Am is made. If they crap on me, then I'll go elsewhere.

The only thing keeping me from a Challenger or Mustang (at the moment) is the wait to see what GM hands to Pontiac (and the lack of any bad news about the Challenger).

And for the record - that's not upset, nor is it "little" (referencing a previous comment of yours). It's a passionate response, but it's not getting upset about insignificant things. Stuff I like matters to me. Not enough to keep me up at nights, but enough to make it known when I'm not happy about it. (IOW, no meds necessary thanks. I'm one of the easiest to get along with fun loving guys you're likely to meet. Text only really skews communication

)

I should amend that - If they made the Rageous I'd buy that too (provided it survived the conversion from concept to production intact).

RodZilla's WS6 · 07-06-2007, 09:41 AM

I agree with drk to some extent, but i am scared if they make a new firebird they might muck it up like the maro,or like the gto for that matter, that car was garbage IMO i mean i wouldnt want to pay 30k+ for a beefed up grand am,but the powerplant was nice i am not knocking that just the body, so i am thinking challenger (maybe) when it comes out,but maybe the maro will grow on me i dont know.there will never be another 4th gen mean looking trans am,but i mean its kind of stupid to shit on 35 years of legacy it pisses me off