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11-08-2007, 03:13 PM
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|  Aftermarket Firebird?
Some of the chops that I have seen that look more closley to the Camaro look as if they could be done as an aftermarket kit for those who wanted a firebird. They could include front fascia, headlights, foglights, parking lights, grill, emblem, side skirts, rear spoiler, rear filler panel(depending on how its made), rear tail lights, side and rear emblems, hood.
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11-09-2007, 07:31 AM
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#2 | | Indiana is so screwed...
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Yeah, I think that was mentioned once before....I'm sure someone will do it once the Camaro has been out for a while, and there are enough around that someone is wanting to stand out a little more.
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11-09-2007, 11:51 AM
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If you can turn a Fiero into a Ferrari then i'm sure somebody will come up with this! | |
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11-09-2007, 01:37 PM
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Thats what i am counting on!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11-09-2007, 02:36 PM
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hell maybe they will make a "mustang" shell for it, at least ford owners could see what there mustang what have looked like if it was fast... | |
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11-09-2007, 10:52 PM
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Let's hope that GM builds it ... if not, I'm sure the aftermarket will step up to the plate. But it will be expensive ...
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11-12-2007, 11:49 PM
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i hope eventually gm builds one, but the mustang idea would hilarious...
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11-13-2007, 12:17 PM
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if the aftermarket builds it...shoot hardly aybody will be able to afford the car...most of my friends and *car crew* as it were are married with kids and mortgages etc....so it would have to be atleast reasonable..but i dont see that happennin...
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11-13-2007, 09:01 PM
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The thing is wouldn't it still be a Camaro? It'd be like a Chevy Camaro Firebird or Chevy Camaro Trans Am. Not a Pontiac Trans Am. That takes lots of the coolness from it right there.
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11-29-2007, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 1 Bad Ass Formula  The thing is wouldn't it still be a Camaro? It'd be like a Chevy Camaro Firebird or Chevy Camaro Trans Am. Not a Pontiac Trans Am. That takes lots of the coolness from it right there. | Hell thats all a firebird has ever been... a camaro with a different front clip and tailights... and a pontiac emblem on the steering wheel instead of a bowtie. Especially the third and fourth gens that even had chevy motors. Why not do the same with a 5th gen??
Ill be trading my WS6 in on a new camaro... then im going to start choppin on it to make it look like the blue firebird pic thats floating around... dosent seem like it would be to hard...
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12-19-2007, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GreaseMonkey83 Hell thats all a firebird has ever been... a camaro with a different front clip and tailights... and a pontiac emblem on the steering wheel instead of a bowtie. Especially the third and fourth gens that even had chevy motors. | Well, that's about 1/2 of it, but essentially the main component being share (other than drive train) is the driver compartment and most of the non-body panel rear section + unibody,
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12-26-2007, 04:45 PM
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Buy a Camaro and play dress up? 
And comparing the Firebird to a Fiero. 
The Fiero was a 1/2 cooked idea from the beginning. By the time G.M. got it right sales dropped an insurance companies wouldn't touch it. It was killed by bad design. Unlike the Corvair, which was killed by a single moron (Nader) and bunch of sheep called congress.
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12-26-2007, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ws6gluemaker And comparing the Firebird to a Fiero. | Way to totally miss what he meant. He said if a Fiero can be made into a Ferrari... What he means is, then it won't be hard at all to make a new Camaro into a Firebird. If you've ever seen a Ferrari-Fiero, or even a GT40 one, you'll notice there's no resemblance to the Fiero. But the Camaro and Firebirds have always had a small resemblance to each other.
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12-26-2007, 10:06 PM
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The Fiero wasn't "half-cooked", it was sold to management (and originally marketed) as an econo-car, not a performance car. And it lived up to that. It was only in time that it was shifted into a performance platform. So it was what it was meant to be (and mostly the whole econo-car thing was to get management's ok, and after hte Corvair incident, getting another MR car past them would be tough - but everyone knows it's easier to change something that's in production that it is to actually get it into production in the first place)
The 2nd Gen F-Body was a PONTIAC design. They were handcuffed by chevy who cried to corporate to help preserve some shred of their thunder. (Primarily limiting their aerodynamic ideas) This continued into the 3rd Gen as well.
And If Pontiac had had it's way, they would be even MORE distinct, as the intent of the GTA was to chase the higher end import (read RX-7, et al) market. The '89 Anniversary T/A (the one with the Grand National GNX engine in it) was what ALL GTAs were intended to be. And in time, the live axle would have gone away too. However the packaging costs proved too much and they could only do it as a limited run.
Pontiac has always been more upscale of chevy, and the camaro was always the cheap redneck version. Over time, the camaro stole more and more from Pontiac - luxuries and Ram Air being the most obvious.
People who will jump to camaros don't deserve their Firebirds, Formys or Trans Ams. Even though I could use several more vehicles and have always been a GM loyalist and supporter (and have owned 7 GM vehicles, Olds and Pontiac), since they've already destroyed the 'Vette's looks (my ALL TIME favorite car), unless they put out a new Firebird, they won't see another dime from me. The Challenger, however, is looking VERY interesting.
Although, speaking of the aftermarket conversions, one thing you could do is take whatever they make for Pontiac. To twin a muscle car (let alone The Great One) to a friggan camaro is a travesty of the highest order. So if they do insult us all by building a GTO on the same platform as the camaro, the least we could do is re-convert them into what they are SUPPOSED to be.
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12-26-2007, 10:19 PM
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Yall remember the company that was turning GTO's into 70 Chevelle's ---- They have already been talking about this .. unfortunately also talking about 25,000 extra ... on that note ill wait til GM builds em again
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12-26-2007, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DrkPhynx The '89 Anniversary T/A (the one with the Grand National GNX engine in it) was what ALL GTAs were intended to be. And in time, the live axle would have gone away too. However the packaging costs proved too much and they could only do it as a limited run. | There was a limited run of 3rd-gen Firebird with IRS? Do you have any more info? | |
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12-27-2007, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Formula350 Way to totally miss what he meant. He said if a Fiero can be made into a Ferrari... What he means is, then it won't be hard at all to make a new Camaro into a Firebird. If you've ever seen a Ferrari-Fiero, or even a GT40 one, you'll notice there's no resemblance to the Fiero. But the Camaro and Firebirds have always had a small resemblance to each other. | No, that is playing dress up. A Fiero is not a Ferrari. A gold plated turd is still a turd. Under the body is still the humble beginnings of a Fiero. I see a difference between a G.M. rebody and a aftermarket body kit. Hell, why not sell a kit car instead. I for one would have more respect for a kit car rather that a Chevy Camaro reskined in the aftermarket as a Pontiac. If it isn't done by G.M. it comes across as a very rice-like move. Like grafting Integra front clip onto a Civic. Or Skyline taillights onto a 240sx. Just not my cup of tea.
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12-27-2007, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DrkPhynx The Fiero wasn't "half-cooked", it was sold to management (and originally marketed) as an econo-car, not a performance car. And it lived up to that. It was only in time that it was shifted into a performance platform. | If case then why was there a Indy pace car edition in its first year? Never seen another "econo-car" pace the Indy 500. Cavalier, Sunfire, Aveo, never saw any of them pace a race at Indy. And while I will admit it could have been a much better car. It never got the chance. I was still a mid-engined rwd Citation or Chevette. It wasn't as "practical" as a VW bug. It didn't a backseat. It didn't have a large amount of storage space. If it wasn't practical, and economy cars should be, and it wasn't a performance car, what was it?
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12-27-2007, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ws6gluemaker If case then why was there a Indy pace car edition in its first year? Never seen another "econo-car" pace the Indy 500. | The 1990 Chevrolet Beretta Convertible wasn't exactly a performance car. In fact, it is the only concept car to pace the race (Chevrolet never built a convertible Beretta). 
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12-27-2007, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by VIP1 There was a limited run of 3rd-gen Firebird with IRS? Do you have any more info? | Sorry, I worded that poorly. I meant the cost of packaging the GNX engine in the GTA body. However, given their intended market, in time, they would have had no choice really. But one step at a time, and the first step was the engine. Sadly, they could only manage a limited run of that.
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