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Old 06-07-2009, 04:17 PM   #21
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Lol. Someone knows how to use Wikipedia.

I've never been anywhere where you could use that term without getting your head bit off. Come to think of it, I don't see you getting away with it on any forum I go to either.
Yeah, I took a lot of it from wikipedia because I didn't know all the specifics and I didn't want to say something incorrect.
I'd rather research what I'm saying then just say something though...

I never say assault rifle or semi-automatic anyway. If I'm talking about a gun, then I'll say the gun's name, or I'll just call it a rifle or pistol (depending on what it is obviously)...

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What do you need a semi-automatic rifle that can hold 100 rounds for when hunting?........

wild hogs.

If you've ever hunted them, you'll understand. If you haven't, you probably just asked that question.
Fuck that.
Hogs are crazy. I would never hunt them outside of a group. You will def hear about people that have hunted hogs and didn't come back or ended up severely disabled. Their buddies always seem really close by, too.
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Old 06-07-2009, 07:50 PM   #23
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Fuck that.
Hogs are crazy. I would never hunt them outside of a group. You will def hear about people that have hunted hogs and didn't come back or ended up severely disabled. Their buddies always seem really close by, too.
dumb question-which one's which?
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dumb question-which one's which?
The AK47 is the one with the very curved steel magazine and the AK74 is the one with the straight east german bakelite magazine.
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Knowledge is power. LOL
Yes it is. Technically, an "assault rifle" is capable of both semi-automatic and automatic fire.
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Yes it is. Technically, an "assault rifle" is capable of both semi-automatic and automatic fire.
Hence the term SAW? Semi Automatic Assault Weapon?
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I also hate it how people think my AK's are sooooo dangerous. A hunters gun packs a much larger punch.

These guns (AKs) are just made to be cheap, work well, and kill 55kg 170 cm person.

The people that are all against AKs are idots as the guns most hunters use are much much more powerful and deadly.

We aren't criminals.

I got my AKs out of interest in military history which I have shown interest in since I was a little kid!
I have never killed anyone with them and don't plan on it.

Same arguement with a regular pistol v a tec 9. The tec 9 is no more deadly. Infact, its an inferior gun.
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Hence the term SAW? Semi Automatic Assault Weapon?
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I also hate it how people think my AK's are sooooo dangerous. A hunters gun packs a much larger punch.

These guns (AKs) are just made to be cheap, work well, and kill 55kg 170 cm person.

The people that are all against AKs are idots as the guns most hunters use are much much more powerful and deadly.

We aren't criminals.

I got my AKs out of interest in military history which I have shown interest in since I was a little kid!
I have never killed anyone with them and don't plan on it.

Same arguement with a regular pistol v a tec 9. The tec 9 is no more deadly. Infact, its an inferior gun.
I agree with everything you just said. I used to work a complete urban area with your usual gang bangers with AK/SKS type crap. Now I work an area that has both urban and rural areas. Which do I think is more dangerous? I'll give you a hint, it is the one where the people can shoot the ass off a gnat at 100 yards after drinking half a case of beer. A scoped 30-06 in skilled hands scares me a hell of lot more than a dumbass that most likely doesn't know how to shoot even though he has an AK.
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Fuck that.
Hogs are crazy. I would never hunt them outside of a group. You will def hear about people that have hunted hogs and didn't come back or ended up severely disabled. Their buddies always seem really close by, too.
The Ak-74 has a more compact 5.45 round and is more accurate (due to recoil of the 7.62) in getting shots down range. The round will usually tumble on impact causing a huge exit would despite not having the overall impact of the larger round. You can carry more ammo and it does a better job against body Armour. The Ak-74 is a superior firearm in everyway except shooting through trees and cinder blocks.

While I own an Ar-15 if i had to choose between an ak47 or 74 it would be the ak74. Forgot to add... the ak74 has a 500m range and is a much better hunting rifle when fitted with a scope.
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7,62x39 iron core is better against body armor than 5,45x39.

Probably why 7,62x39 iron core is banned now and 5,45x39 iron core can be had easily.

Neither is a real threat compared to purpose built high energy rounds.

5,45x39 NEVER caught on in the USA. I won't recommend a AK74 to anyone but a serious gun collector. Its my fav though.

Hard to get ammo for unless you shop online. Most new ammo manufacturing of this round have been shut down...

Can't even get Romanian Hot Shot anymore.
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I keep hearing that the guns aren't what's hard to come by but its the ammo... Anyone care to elaborate, I turn 21 in AUG. I plan on buying a Semi Auto gun before they become illegal... It's bullshit how they keep raping our rights....
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Everything firearms related has gotten so expensive since O has been crowned.
First of all, he was not "crowned", he was elected. And secondly, that fact is ironic considering that its not based on anything O has actually done, lol. It's more just fear that everything is going to be banned which I think is very unlikely both from what many people have said and from just the general state of things. Gun prices have already started to come down a little bit, probably as people are starting to realize there's not any need for the excessive panic. not trying to start a political debate here, just my .02
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The prophecy of 2012 is just around the corner... BEWARE PEOPLE...

If people get desperate and hungry and try and break my front door down for food and shit, believe me I will start blasting..

People will get crazy in tough times gauranteed.. Better safe then sorry lads, no?

I'll take 2...
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budsgunshop.com had a few used ones. I've bought several items from them and give them a thumbs up. I even decided upon review to reject one purchase. FFL sent it back and I got my money back on the purchase.

Buying online is too easy in some cases. Its easy to get what you want instead of buying just what the local guy has.
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I keep hearing that the guns aren't what's hard to come by but its the ammo... Anyone care to elaborate, I turn 21 in AUG. I plan on buying a Semi Auto gun before they become illegal... It's bullshit how they keep raping our rights....
The threat of a huge tax increase on ammo has kept the demand high and the shelves empty.
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Some friends and I took turns shooting a tree with my AK many years ago from about 30 yards away or so. It eventually fell down.

If you are going with a Romanian, try to get an SAR and not a WASR. The SAR is the better quality gun. 7.62x39 ammo prices have been insane though, I used to pay $89-99/1000rds and now if you get lucky you pay $250/1000rds.

If you plan to reload, you might be better off going with an AR-15. Higher initial cost but I think you can even go down to Wal-mart and pick up .223 in a bind. Most 7.62x39mm ammo is steel case which cannot be reloaded while.223/5.56 is mostly brass cased. I still think Ak's are more fun to shoot but AR's are very accurate.
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This thread is fucking dumb. They guy wants to buy an AK and all anyone is talking about is stupid 2nd amendment crap. ANYWAY.

Online is fine, but cheaper AK's can have some cant in the sights...you can usually adjust windage enough, but might as well try and find a nicer one that's straight, that the mags fit and remove easily, less rattle, etc. Henderson Defense sells the same WASR's that you may find for around 350, but they go through them and they are nice ones (good finish, no cant, etc.). They are about 500-550. If I really wanted one online I'd just look on the AK Forum.


oh yeah... SAW = Squad automatic weapon.
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Hence the term SAW? Semi Automatic Assault Weapon?
Like Ryan said its Squad Automatic Weapon. Did you not realize yours used two A's? Also the saw is one weapon, not a series of weapons(even though it now comes in two different calibers) and I don't believe any were sold to the public.
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Like Ryan said its Squad Automatic Weapon. Did you not realize yours used two A's? Also the saw is one weapon, not a series of weapons(even though it now comes in two different calibers) and I don't believe any were sold to the public.

You guys get F's. Stop using Wikipedia.



SAW.

That's right. SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/saw-faqs.htm

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Semiautomatic Assault Weapon (SAW) Ban

QUESTIONS & ANSWERS

September 13, 2004

Q: What was the semiautomatic assault weapon (SAW) ban?

A: The SAW ban was enacted on September 13, 1994, by PL 103-322, Title IX, Subtitle A, section 110105. The ban made it unlawful to manufacture, transfer, or possess SAWs. The law defines SAWs as 19 named firearms, as well as semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns that have certain named features. The ban was codified at 18 U.S.C. § 922(v). SAWs lawfully possessed on September 13, 1994 were not covered by the ban. There also were certain exceptions, such as possession by law enforcement.

Q: Was the SAW ban permanent?

A: No. The law enacting the ban provided that it would expire 10 years from the date of enactment, which was September 13, 1994. Therefore, effective 12:01 a.m. on September 13, 2004, the provisions of the law will cease to apply.

Q. What was the Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device (LCAFD) ban?

A: The LCAFD ban was enacted along with the SAW ban on September 13, 1994. The ban made it unlawful to transfer or possess LCAFDs. The law generally defined a LCAFD as a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device manufactured after September 13, 1994 that has the capacity of, or can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The ban was codified at 18 U.S.C.
§ 922(w). As with SAWs, there are certain exceptions to the ban, such as possession by law enforcement.

Q: Was the LCAFD ban permanent?

A: No. The LCAFD ban was enacted by the same law as the SAW ban. Therefore, like the SAW ban, it expires 10 years from the date of enactment. Therefore, effective 12:01 a.m. on September 13, 2004, the provisions of the law will cease to apply.

Q: Does expiration of the ban affect records maintained by licensed manufacturers, importers and dealers?

A. Yes. Federal firearms licensees are no longer required to collect special records regarding the sale or transfer of SAWs and LCAFDs for law enforcement or government sales. However, existing records on SAWs and LCAFDs must still be maintained for a period of 5 years. Moreover, records of importation and manufacture must be maintained permanently and licensees must maintain all other acquisition and disposition records for 20 years.

Q: Are SAWs and LCAFDs marked “Restricted law enforcement/government use only” or “For export only” legal to sell to civilians in the United States?

A: Yes. SAWs and LCAFDs are no longer prohibited. Therefore firearms with the restrictive markings are legal to transfer to civilians in the United States and it will be legal for non-prohibited civilians to possess them. All civilians may possess LCAFDs.

Q: Does the expiration of the SAW ban and the LCAFD ban affect importation?

A: LCAFDs are no longer prohibited from importation but they are still subject to the provisions of the Arms Export Control Act. An approved Form 6 import permit is still required. Non-sporting firearms are still prohibited from importation under sections 922(l) and 925(d)(3) of the GCA. Because the vast majority of SAWs are nonsporting, they generally cannot be imported.

If an importer has an approved Form 6 import permit for LCAFDs with a restriction stamp on it related to the ban, the importer may import LCAFDs using the permit and disregard the restriction stamp. Importers may apply for a new permit if they prefer.

Temporary importation of SAWs and LCAFDs is now lawful under the provisions of Title 27, CFR, section 478.115(d) because firearms that are temporarily imported are not required to meet sporting purpose requirements.

Q: Does the expiration of the SAW ban change laws regarding assembly of nonsporting shotguns and semiautomatic rifles from imported parts?

A: No. The provisions of section 922(r) of the GCA and the regulations in 27 CFR 478.39 regarding assembly of non-sporting shotguns and semiautomatic rifles from imported parts still apply.

Q. Does the expiration of the SAW ban affect firearms under the National Firearms Act?

A: All provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA) relating to registration and transfer of machineguns, short barreled rifles, weapons made from rifles, short barreled shotguns, weapons made from shotguns, any other weapons as defined in 26 USC section 5845(e), silencers, and destructive devices still apply. However, it is now lawful to possess NFA firearms that are also semiautomatic assault weapons, as long as all provisions of the NFA are satisfied.

USAS-12 and Striker12/Streetsweeper shotguns are still classified as destructive devices under ATF Rulings 94-1 and 94-2 and must be possessed and transferred in accordance with the NFA.

Q: Can tribal law enforcement entities now possess SAWs and LCAFDs?

A: Yes.

Q: Does the expiration of the ban affect State law?

A: Expiration of the federal law will not change any provisions of State law or local ordinances. Questions concerning State assault weapons restrictions should be referred to State and local authorities.

Q: Whom should I call if I have a question?

A: Your local ATF office.
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