Again, how many ls1 motors have run mid 6's on stock base motors? Not iron ls1's(becuase there were no production iron ls1's). How many vipers have run 6's. I find it funny that everyone talks about ci and liters, but import owners use there factory based blocks to run these times. Fastest 350z has run mid 6's with less than 4.2 liters at 218mph. Supras have run mid 6's with 3.4 liters. Rx7's have run 6's. DSM's have run low 7's. A cobalt has run 7's. But yet it takes a stroked 422ci blown+ nitrous ls1 to even come close to those times.
I think you entirely missed the point of my post.
Furthermore, 4v heads are now available for LSxs, SBCs, and BBCs. So let's throw that factor out the window. And let us not forget how far GM has come along in air flow.
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Furthermore, 4v heads are now available for LSxs, SBCs, and BBCs. So let's throw that factor out the window. And let us not forget how far GM has come along in air flow.
I been out of the fbody scene for years, where are the 4v ls1 heads? shit like that would make me get back in the game.
Furthermore, 4v heads are now available for LSxs, SBCs, and BBCs. So let's throw that factor out the window. And let us not forget how far GM has come along in air flow.
Well if you want to perform a swap like that, be my guest. An ls1 supra, would never own a 2jz supra in any category. Dollar for dollar, a supra would inihilate(sp) an ls1. Supras run 8's on stock 6speeds and longlblocks. I would love for someone to show me 5 vids, of an ls1 beating a modded supra? Hell show me 5 any domestic. For all the shit talking you do about supras, they own streetfire, goggle, youttube, etc...... You rarely see one losing. Another funny thing is, a stroked out viper with a twin turbos, gets yanked by a 3.0 liter:
Evo vs procharged Z06 both with similar numbers. ^
Piss; it's not "shit talking". I just DO NOT worship the things like you and everyone else does. Despite what you say/think, they can be beat. Yes, you're right it might take more than a "stock block/bottom end", again, SO WTF?? Youtube/Streetfire are not the definitive be all, end all of everything.
WOW, did you convert to Shinto as well?? Might as well, then you'd be on the same page as the builders of your object of worship.
i agree with the dude that says "let him do what he wants"...
pssonu (and the others i guess), you're just entirely too negative about this subject. I love japanese cars, but not to the point where i don't see their downfalls. No matter what these dudes are saying, you're like "no, no, japanese cars are better" "nope, 4v per cyl" "no no no, waste of money" It sounds like you're arguing just to argue.
Let him do the swap, THEN criticize the downfalls that he comes across!
Would be interesting to see that swap. But the 2JZ is already potent enough and accepts modifications very well. Not worth the cash though, with the same amount of money to go LS1 put into the 2JZ, the Supra would probably beat it. I'm not a Supra fanboy by any means, I'm just stating a fact.
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It would be a waste. Its like swapping a LS1 into a grand national....a lot of work to get an engine with less potential.
I don't think an LC2 has more potential than an LS1. Nor do I think a 2jz has more potential than an LS1. They are all good motors though and I see your point.
Piss; it's not "shit talking". I just DO NOT worship the things like you and everyone else does. Despite what you say/think, they can be beat. Yes, you're right it might take more than a "stock block/bottom end", again, SO WTF?? Youtube/Streetfire are not the definitive be all, end all of everything.
WOW, did you convert to Shinto as well?? Might as well, then you'd be on the same page as the builders of your object of worship.
No, they are far superior to the ls1. Sorry if I get your feathers in a bunch. They are not in the same league, Period! Even stock, it is pretty close and Ill still give the nod to the supra.
You arguements are erroneous, pathetic and basically time comsuming! I dont need to prove anything to you. Vids are all over the net, on what a supra can do to a twin turbo viper, sprayed C6 Z06, turbo ls1, etc.....
I have seen supras beat civics, camaros, vettes, vipers you name it, but I have also seen supras get beat by civics, camaros, vettes, and vipers and everthing else. but what I have never seen is a supra beat a domestic with equal mods. just because a supra beat a turbo ls1 doesn't mean anything for all I know thats a sts kit @ 6 psi on an otherwise stock car aganist a highly modified 20+psi supra.
and for the record I wouldn't put an ls1 in a supra because that ls1 would fit real well in a third gen that would cost a fration of what just picking up a supra would cost and would be much faster mod for mod $ for $. As hard as it may be to belive you don't need the deepest pockets to be the fastest.
this whole argument about which motor is better is completely retarded, the only thing that matters in making a car faster is who has more money to spend on it, it does not matter if one platform is better from the factory or not, when you start spending money that whole argument goes poof because at that point it just depends on who has deeper pockets .... look at GZ06's vette for a good example of what a baddass ls based motor can do, it all depends on your bank account
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I have seen supras beat civics, camaros, vettes, vipers you name it, but I have also seen supras get beat by civics, camaros, vettes, and vipers and everthing else. but what I have never seen is a supra beat a domestic with equal mods. just because a supra beat a turbo ls1 doesn't mean anything for all I know thats a sts kit @ 6 psi on an otherwise stock car aganist a highly modified 20+psi supra.
and for the record I wouldn't put an ls1 in a supra because that ls1 would fit real well in a third gen that would cost a fration of what just picking up a supra would cost and would be much faster mod for mod $ for $. As hard as it may be to belive you don't need the deepest pockets to be the fastest.
What I havent seen, is a supra lose to a domestic with similar power levels. Ive never seen a supra get walked by a similarly powred ls1, viper, or vette. I posted a vid, of a supra walking a stroked supercharged viper. I also posted a vid, of a c5 z06 with all boltons and a 200 shot. Didnt help either.
I am sure you have a video of a supra beating a stroked super charged viper and a bolton vette with a 200 shot but that doesn't always mean the race was fair.
I have vedio of a camed camaro with a 200 shot beating supras I have video of turbo ls1s beating supras. didn't help either.
I am sure you have a video of a supra beating a stroked super charged viper and a bolton vette with a 200 shot but that doesn't always mean the race was fair.
I have vedio of a camed camaro with a 200 shot beating supras I have video of turbo ls1s beating supras. didn't help either.
I don't know how many races vids are staged, but i'm sure the statistic would surprise a few people.
I don't think an LC2 has more potential than an LS1. Nor do I think a 2jz has more potential than an LS1. They are all good motors though and I see your point.
Right. Well when you start showing us all the 2000+HP LS1s out there then we might believe you. With the factory aluminum block the LS1 wont ever have the same potentail as a strong iron block. Not to mention many turbo 6 cylinders respond MUCH better to mods then an LS1 does...
There was a huge thread on here (with a lot of negativity) about some 4v LSx heads being made by Arai Racing, do a search, they have a site. Expensive as hell, though.
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I have seen supras beat civics, camaros, vettes, vipers you name it, but I have also seen supras get beat by civics, camaros, vettes, and vipers and everthing else. but what I have never seen is a supra beat a domestic with equal mods. just because a supra beat a turbo ls1 doesn't mean anything for all I know thats a sts kit @ 6 psi on an otherwise stock car aganist a highly modified 20+psi supra.
What part of "leave this thread because you have no damn clue what you are talking about" do you not understand?
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but what I have never seen is a supra beat a domestic with equal mods. just because a supra beat a turbo ls1 doesn't mean anything for all I know thats a sts kit @ 6 psi on an otherwise stock car aganist a highly modified 20+psi supra.
Please explain to me what psi has to do with anything? do you know how PSI works? Do you even realise that if a camaro and a supra had the same turbo and the ls1 is making 600hp@10psi and a supra making 600hp @15psi, it only shows that the supra has a DISADVANTAGE if you and I are trying to fill a 55 gallon drum with water and I have a garden hose and you have a hose from a fire truck, and the flow from the water source is the same. who is going to fill the drum faster and which hose will have a higher psi?
Something tells me you dont know so I will tell you, the garden hose will have a much higher psi since its smaller and more restrictive. but the firehose will have a lower psi, but the drum will fill at the same rate.
With the same turbo making the same power between a 5.7 and a 3.0. the flow is the exact same, even if the 3.0 is using more boost(psi) to make that power. the flow is still the same
