No, they are far superior to the ls1. Sorry if I get your feathers in a bunch. They are not in the same league, Period! Even stock, it is pretty close and Ill still give the nod to the supra.
You arguements are erroneous, pathetic and basically time comsuming! I dont need to prove anything to you. Vids are all over the net, on what a supra can do to a twin turbo viper, sprayed C6 Z06, turbo ls1, etc.....
OK Piss, you (and all of the other worshippers) win!! I'm won over. I will now to the almighty, invincible, totally unbeatable GTE/MKIV! You're right, they just CANNOT be beat NO MATTER WHAT one throws at them. I mean how can one compete with TOY's ultimate superiority, right??
BTW; please show me one of your "nod given" stock Poopras that can do what a BONE F'IN STOCK C6Z06 can do (yeah, I know it's an LS7). I've never seen/heard of a stock (down to the paper air filter, not even your "fish tank" valve mod) run high 10s, change tires and go out and lap GT3 Porsches and 430s on a road course. Maybe because your "supacar" CAN'T!!?
Sorry if I got your "importee" feathers in a bunch.
But yes, an LS1, in bone stock form vs. your object of worship MKIV TT (again, bone stock) is probably a complete "driver's race", NO NOD "given".
Right. Well when you start showing us all the 2000+HP LS1s out there then we might believe you.
I certainly hope you are NOT implying/suggesting that your "Supdawgs" are doing this on the fully stock bottom end. We've been through all of this before, and even the owners/worshippers came on and said the limit was less than HALF of that.
OK Piss, you (and all of the other worshippers) win!! I'm won over. I will now to the almighty, invincible, totally unbeatable GTE/MKIV! You're right, they just CANNOT be beat NO MATTER WHAT one throws at them. I mean how can one compete with TOY's ultimate superiority, right??
Aww, aren't you special?
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BTW; please show me one of your "nod given" stock Poopras that can do what a BONE F'IN STOCK C6Z06 can do (yeah, I know it's an LS7). I've never seen/heard of a stock (down to the paper air filter, not even your "fish tank" valve mod) run high 10s, change tires and go out and lap GT3 Porsches and 430s on a road course. Maybe because your "supacar" CAN'T!!?
Sorry if I got your "importee" feathers in a bunch.
But yes, an LS1, in bone stock form vs. your object of worship MKIV TT (again, bone stock) is probably a complete "driver's race", NO NOD "given".
Even the C6Z can't run high 10s completely stock. Nor is it a fair comparison to a Supra. The C6Z is a $75k car with 2 seats and made 8 years after the last US Spec Supra drove off the boat here. I sure as hell hope it outperforms the Supra.
Here's a thought, instead of being a typical internet douche, why not actually try to prove yourself right? You know, with facts? But after seeing your first paragraph in my quote I don't think you can.
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I certainly hope you are NOT implying/suggesting that your "Supdawgs" are doing this on the fully stock bottom end. We've been through all of this before, and even the owners/worshippers came on and said the limit was less than HALF of that.
Go ahead and point out where he said stock bottom end.
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Yes they have brainiac, with DRs ONLY. I was giving your "infallible" TOY the same tire option, even though they came with a much stickier tire from the factory than the Z06 (which has still run 11.2s on the shitty runflats. Has your pure stock Supracar EVER done "even" that??!).
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Nor is it a fair comparison to a Supra. The C6Z is a $75k car with 2 seats and made 8 years after the last US Spec Supra drove off the boat here. I sure as hell hope it outperforms the Supra.
So let's apply your same importee logic to a "lowly" LS1 f body. My 2000 Z28 cost me $21K, out the door. The bone stock performance is close enough to a '98 f body to call it even (so you can't argue newer car vs your "unbeatable" '98 TOY). I sure as hell hope your stock $40-50K import outperforms my "P.O.S. domestic".<--
But, what's this, it DOES NOT. OH NOES!! At best it equals the "crappy" domestic. How can that be?
So let's apply your same importee logic to a "lowly" LS1 f body. My 2000 Z28 cost me $21K, out the door. The bone stock performance is close enough to a '98 f body to call it even (so you can't argue newer car vs your "unbeatable" '98 TOY). I sure as hell hope your stock $40-50K import outperforms my "P.O.S. domestic".<--
But, what's this, it DOES NOT. OH NOES!! At best it equals the "crappy" domestic. How can that be?
Your fbody outperforms the last year Lt1 vette, how can that be? . its a new car thats why, your comparing the generation of fbody to compete with a Generation that started 5 years prior. and it the fbody JUST caught up, but only in straightline acceleration.in 1993 the fbody and corvettes were getting dogged by supras. a $10 homemade boost controller puts its beyond the zr1, which was the z06 of that time. how fast is your car? and where are u located.
Your fbody outperforms the last year Lt1 vette, how can that be? . its a new car thats why, your comparing the generation of fbody to compete with a Generation that started 5 years prior. and it the fbody JUST caught up, but only in straightline acceleration.in 1993 the fbody and corvettes were getting dogged by supras. a $10 homemade boost controller puts its beyond the zr1, which was the z06 of that time. how fast is your car? and where are u located.
You are missing the point. The original argument was about the Supra Turbo motor being that much better than the LSx/Gen III's. The original argument was comparing different engines from whatever time.
By comparing the Supra Turbo to the LT1's you are basically comparing it to the original SBC that came out in 1955. The LT1 was really only slightly different than the SBC that preceded it.
Your fbody outperforms the last year Lt1 vette, how can that be? . its a new car thats why, your comparing the generation of fbody to compete with a Generation that started 5 years prior.
But I thought your TOY was "the untouchable epitome of perfection" and sooo far ahead of it's time (and competition) that the "generation" just did not matter?!?
Oh well. I guess not.
One question for all of you TOY ers. If all of you are falling all over yourselves with love, devotion and idolization of this Nippon Wundercar, then WHY THE F*** aren't you driving/owning one???!!!??
Before you ask the same of me as regards to the C6 Z06, I will give you the answer. I can't afford one right now. Believe me, when I can, I WILL.
If your answer is the same, OK. then I understand.
But I thought your TOY was "the untouchable epitome of perfection" and sooo far ahead of it's time (and competition) that the "generation" just did not matter?!?
Oh well. I guess not.
One question for all of you TOY ers. If all of you are falling all over yourselves with love, devotion and idolization of this Nippon Wundercar, then WHY THE F*** aren't you driving/owning one???!!!??
Before you ask the same of me as regards to the C6 Z06, I will give you the answer. I can't afford one right now. Believe me, when I can, I WILL.
If your answer is the same, OK. then I understand.
Nobody said it was untouchable, thats the conclusion you came up with. I own both ls1 and 2jz. now where are u located?
WTF does that have to do with anything??! OOOHH, your going to sick some local 9-10second "Supdawgs" on me? I know they can be made fast, just like anything else. I also know that there have to be some of those in my area. I NEVER denied/refuted that. I was comparing bone stock cars (and NO, it's NOT stock anymore, even with your "only $10.00" fish tank valve). Nor did I ever call them "P.O.S." like sooo many importfanboyworshippers do to OUR cars.
Why does it bother you MKIV ers so much that I refuse to do the same???
Nobody said it was untouchable, thats the conclusion you came up with. I own both ls1 and 2jz. now where are u located?
I'm in northern N.J., OK already?? Yeah, come "teach me a lesson", or send your 'dawgs to do it, who the f*** cares!
Yeah, I know, your "BPU-----" car can slaughter me untuned, with the boost turned down below stock, yada, yada, etc. Fine, you win.
Not "Who can waste more time by arguing a point that doesnt matter?"
If the kid who started this thread had a 1995 Supra, with no engine or transmission, would it be feasible for him to drop a 5.7 in there to replace the 3.0 ... Thats it. Its not who has better 1/4 miles or fuel efficiency, which one can make 2000hp easier... i'm pretty sure the kid who started this said nothing about making the most power humanly possible. Its about CAN he put it in there.
If he's got the supra body, and has an LSx...then fucking do it, whats the fucking problem? Everybody stop trying to argue your points...you're never going to change the other person's mind, even with "solid concrete evidence".
1. The LS1 block has not AND OBVIOUSLY WILL NEVER make 2000 rwhp... It's fucking ALUMINUM! That's NOT what the block is for. However, an LQ9 iron cousin of the LS1 HAS gone 6's... Built by W2W Powertrain.
2. The 2JZ does over 800 rwhp on the stock bottom end... Cool. So does the RB26... So does ANY FUCKING motor that comes from the factory with forged pistons/internals and an IRON block.
THIS IS NOT WHAT THE FACTORY LSX is for (I say factory because you can easily change the internals your damned-self... Big deal). It would be too heavy... The emphasis on the LS1's design from DAY ONE has been the following: LIGHT weight, broad powerband, simplicity of valvetrain.
Why? Well let's see why... The LS1/6/7 is the engine that powers the Corvette C5/6.
In such a car, it runs CIRLCES around the MKIV Supra, stock for stock, on a road course, WHAT THE VETTE WAS MADE TO DO (despite all the mullets that set them up for drag racing). Additionally, the mass-produced R32 Skyline GTR, which I mention because it has lapped the Nurburgring faster than the R33/34 GTR's, STILL is not a faster road course car than the Z06's have been, C5/6. The Vette is lighter FOR MANY REASONS, including the LS1/6/7 design.
If domestic car manufacturers were ONLY interested in durability in the face of boost, they could OF COURSE build an engine this way, and then be HEAVY, and not as fast.
The 2JZ is AWESOME, no doubt... The Best? Well, what's our criteria? Max rwhp on factory parts? Then maybe it is, along with the RB26, Terminator Cobra/Ford GT DOHC V8, etc...
But none of those engine lap faster on a road course than the lightweight LS design AS IT STANDS NOW.
Some of you have a SERIOUS import-worshipping problem as well as one or two mulletheads that have NO IDEA how awesome the 2JZ is... NOT worth giving up in a Supra for any kind of swap.
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Oh, and the C6 chassis is still not as advanced as the GTR's/Supra's in some respects for a circuit... Funny, when you look at lap time, it doesn't seem to matter does it? There's alot more to a factory motor than MAX RWHP.
Many '03 Cobra owners have gone over 800 rhwp on factory internals and run okay.
Hell, the Ford GT can make 900 rwhp on the factory internals AND THE FACTORY FUEL SYSTEM!!! OMG!!! That must mean it's a better motor than the 2JZ!!!
See how that logic sounds? Come on guys, seriously... A real enthusiast knows there's more to a motor than "power after MODDING." Thank God Chevy does. That's why the C6 Z06 outruns every Japanese mass produced sports car right now at the Nurburgring...
Stay tuned for the new GTR... We'll see what happens... It is the only real threat.
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to the almighty, invincible, totally unbeatable GTE/MKIV! You're right, they just CANNOT be beat NO MATTER WHAT one throws at them. I mean how can one compete with TOY's ultimate superiority, right?? 
are doing this on the fully stock bottom end. We've been through all of this before, and even the owners/worshippers came on and said the limit was less than HALF of that.
ers. If all of you are falling all over yourselves with love, devotion and idolization of this Nippon Wundercar, then WHY THE F*** aren't you driving/owning one???!!!?? 
I know they can be made fast, just like anything else. I also know that there have to be some of those in my area. I NEVER denied/refuted that. I was comparing bone stock cars (and NO, it's NOT stock anymore, even with your "only $10.00" fish tank valve). Nor did I ever call them "P.O.S." like sooo many importfanboyworshippers do to OUR cars.
ers so much that I refuse to do the same??? 
