^ domestic owners ruined this thread too... Including myself dammit.
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We have no idea whether its handling characteristics will improve from the current iteration, but I am excited about it too.
The GTR is different, well, because there is ALOT of info available... It's almost here.
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i love my trans am and i love how simple everything is to maintain and work on. i want all of what's in my trans am to be in a supra, my favorite looking car. is that too much to ask for?
but yeah, seeing how supras are retardedly expensive (yes, they are) i am much more interested in buying an NA and starting over from scratch with it (LSX swap, 12 bolt, all that good stuff) than buying a $20,000+ twin turbo. honestly, it's pretty tough to find a good condition turbo supra for under $20,000. screw that. that is just too much money for a very used car. and then to have to take it all the way to austin (boost logic) to get worked on? no thanks.
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But I will say.....2JZs were overengineered from the factory, whether it was planned or not. They are freaks in they can handle ridiculous power w/out reinforcement. That's their draw.
The LSX motors are great out-of-the-box performers with a more limited capacity, that's all.
But I will say.....2JZs were overengineered from the factory, whether it was planned or not. They are freaks in they can handle ridiculous power w/out reinforcement. That's their draw.
The LSX motors are great out-of-the-box performers with a more limited capacity, that's all.
NO reason to mix the 2.
K bye.
*flamesuit ON*
Flamesuit? Are you kidding me? That's the most reasonable post about the 2JZ from an import owner I've ever read on this site! You're obviously not a "fanboy" and I say good post! They were REALLY overengineered.
Also, I should mention your Supra is NOICE.
On topic, I'd never put anything domestic in a Supra... Except maybe an auto tranny.
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Actually it started when you guys got your vaginas dirty when i said that the NA 2jz is still better than an LS1 in a supra.
Better or not, it's what BELONGS there, IMO.
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Ls1s are superior. 2jz s are old now and outdated. Now with the LSx with the potential of 511ci imagine that thing turboed.
I dont agree at all. here is a prime example, Mightmouse on here, was the best example of a street turbo ls1. when he had 6 speed I beleive he still had a/c.( not sure though) the car was good for low 10's and most importantly a real street car. he has now gone automatic and running mid 9's
Cody Phillips. 6 speed, supra full interior,a/c, power steering. all creature comforts intact and runs 9.00@163 and is street driven, same class of car as Mightymouse's. not an all out race car, just a really fast street car. here is a video of one of his street tuned
I dont agree at all. here is a prime example, Mightmouse on here, was the best example of a street turbo ls1. when he had 6 speed I beleive he still had a/c.( not sure though) the car was good for low 10's and most importantly a real street car. he has now gone automatic and running mid 9's
Cody Phillips. 6 speed, supra full interior,a/c, power steering. all creature comforts intact and runs 9.00@163 and is street driven, same class of car as Mightymouse's. not an all out race car, just a really fast street car. here is a video of one of his street tuned
6 speed,9.00 flat 1/4 full interior, a/c sound system and power steering. I dont see how its inferior.
Yes, but this has nothing to do with motors. The Gertrag in the Supra IS superior to the T-56 and allows for this gap in manual transmission times.
When you allow both cars to be automatic for argument's sake, there no longer is this gap, which is how we see both the 2JZ and the iron LS in the sixes together... Both motors can do it, obviously not an aluminum LS block.
BTW, not that I disagree at all. I COMPLETELY agree that the 2JZ is NOT an inferior motor AT ALL... WHATSOEVER. It's one of the greatest engines ever built.
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BTW, not that I disagree at all. I COMPLETELY agree that the 2JZ is NOT an inferior motor AT ALL... WHATSOEVER. It's one of the greatest engines ever built.
I am 100% with you on that. as strong as it is and as much power it can make, I dont think the 2jz is superior to the ls1. i think they are equally great for what they were desgined for, and both will make enough power to make your shit your pants in a street car. if you ever felt a 2jz with a 76gts in 3rd, the feeling is beyond words. both are good motors.
1. The LS1 block has not AND OBVIOUSLY WILL NEVER make 2000 rwhp... It's fucking ALUMINUM! That's NOT what the block is for. However, an LQ9 iron cousin of the LS1 HAS gone 6's... Built by W2W Powertrain.
2. The 2JZ does over 800 rwhp on the stock bottom end... Cool. So does the RB26... So does ANY FUCKING motor that comes from the factory with forged pistons/internals and an IRON block.
THIS IS NOT WHAT THE FACTORY LSX is for (I say factory because you can easily change the internals your damned-self... Big deal). It would be too heavy... The emphasis on the LS1's design from DAY ONE has been the following: LIGHT weight, broad powerband, simplicity of valvetrain.
Why? Well let's see why... The LS1/6/7 is the engine that powers the Corvette C5/6.
In such a car, it runs CIRLCES around the MKIV Supra, stock for stock, on a road course, WHAT THE VETTE WAS MADE TO DO (despite all the mullets that set them up for drag racing). Additionally, the mass-produced R32 Skyline GTR, which I mention because it has lapped the Nurburgring faster than the R33/34 GTR's, STILL is not a faster road course car than the Z06's have been, C5/6. The Vette is lighter FOR MANY REASONS, including the LS1/6/7 design.
If domestic car manufacturers were ONLY interested in durability in the face of boost, they could OF COURSE build an engine this way, and then be HEAVY, and not as fast.
The 2JZ is AWESOME, no doubt... The Best? Well, what's our criteria? Max rwhp on factory parts? Then maybe it is, along with the RB26, Terminator Cobra/Ford GT DOHC V8, etc...
But none of those engine lap faster on a road course than the lightweight LS design AS IT STANDS NOW.
Some of you have a SERIOUS import-worshipping problem as well as one or two mulletheads that have NO IDEA how awesome the 2JZ is... NOT worth giving up in a Supra for any kind of swap.
Well this "mullethead" totallyAGREES with you bb!! (Except for that very last sentence; I STILL think it would be a "cool" swap if for no other reason than to piss the f off the Nippon purist fanboyzz, and yes I know more likely than not it would be slower than the "touched by God"<-- MODIFIED GTEs, SO WHAT?)
I DOknow how "awesome" the GTEs are. Where have I said that they could not be made crazy/sick powerful/fast??? I just refuse to believe that they are "unbeatable" as sooo many of the fanboyzz claim. I also feel that one does NOT HAVE TO love/worship them in order to be considered an "enthusiast", as seems to be the case on this and every other site. Who the F*** made up these "rules"??!!?? I never proclaim that one "MUST love the C6 Z06 in order to be an enthusiast", so I expect the same. What one must do, in order to be considered "in touch with reality" is aknowledge that they can be made insanely fast/powerful, just like anything else. OK?
I was only comparing PURE "stock for stock" cars, in which case they (MKIV TTs) were/are impressive, but not quite so "awesome".
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Well this "mullethead" totallyAGREES with you bb!! (Except for that very last sentence; I STILL think it would be a "cool" swap if for no other reason than to piss the f off the Nippon purist fanboyzz, and yes I know more likely than not it would be slower than the "touched by God"<-- MODIFIED GTEs, SO WHAT?)
I DOknow how "awesome" the GTEs are. Where have I said that they could not be made crazy/sick powerful/fast??? I just refuse to believe that they are "unbeatable" as sooo many of the fanboyzz claim. I also feel that one does NOT HAVE TO love/worship them in order to be considered an "enthusiast", as seems to be the case on this and every other site. Who the F*** made up these "rules"??!!?? I never proclaim that one "MUST love the C6 Z06 in order to be an enthusiast", so I expect the same. What one must do, in order to be considered "in touch with reality" is aknowledge that they can be made insanely fast/powerful, just like anything else. OK?
I was only comparing PURE "stock for stock" cars, in which case they (MKIV TTs) were/are impressive, but not quite so "awesome".
link me to anyone in this thread who made any claim that you have to worship a supra or 2jz. your the one who keeps saying that yet nobody said such a thing
totally AGREES with you bb!! (Except for that very last sentence; I STILL think it would be a "cool" swap if for no other reason than to piss the f off the Nippon purist fanboyzz, and yes I know more likely than not it would be slower than the "touched by God"<-- 
MODIFIED GTEs, SO WHAT?)
can link me to one person who said that??
