Few pics LSX Mustang
08-20-2006, 11:01 PM
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Few pics LSX Mustang***Updated with Videos*** Here are a couple of pics my buddy wanted me to post of his new setup. We took the car to the track today to make a few motor passes. The nitrous kits will be put on the car this week and will be making some more passes next weekend 
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08-20-2006, 11:23 PM
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I don't get this whole lsx in a fox body thing. If I'm not mistaken it would be much less aggrevation to just build a stroker motor from Ford. What are the advantages of putting this motor in. And don't say it's hp b/c you can build a sbf just as cheap or cheaper. Don't seem worth all the work to me.
It does look nice and a good clean install.
It does look nice and a good clean install.
08-20-2006, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by exstanger
I don't get this whole lsx in a fox body thing. If I'm not mistaken it would be much less aggrevation to just build a stroker motor from Ford. What are the advantages of putting this motor in. And don't say it's hp b/c you can build a sbf just as cheap or cheaper. Don't seem worth all the work to me.
It does look nice and a good clean install.
It does look nice and a good clean install.
Why limit any car to what came in the car... put the best motor for the money or drivability you can in it.
LSX dollar for dollar will DESTROY a pump gas 302-408" ford street motor...
If you add up everything it takes to build a 500-550 hp pump gas motor. You will spend much more building the 408", it will get worse gas mileage and worse driveability. If you knew alot of LSX conversions (ive done 8) you would actually find it is cheaper in the long run (including the savings of a built th350/400 over a C4/C6).....
After you build the 408" ford, just look at all the aftermarket high $ parts you dont have to buy for the ls1 that you need for the ford that you can run stock with an ls1 to make 500-550 flywheel horsepower easily
msd distributor,MSD ignition box,Good oil pan, valve covers, intake manifold, carburetor, roller rockers, aftermarket lifters, aftermarket alum heads, timing chain, hi vol oil pump, sfi balancer, upgraded water pump, msd coil, aftermarket rods/crank/pistons, etcetc....
Just a cam only, stock longblock (ls6 intake, stock TB) ls1 car will make 500-550 flywheel horsepower easily with no effort.
08-21-2006, 08:25 AM
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I love the guys who think its a "difficult" or pointless engine swap. Its just as easy to put an LSX into a Mustang as it is any motor from Ford. They basically bolt right in !!
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08-21-2006, 10:58 AM
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heres a question:
why not run a carb style throttle body and an air cleaner under there rather than an elbow and forward facing throttle body? under hood clearance? looks like you got enough with that hood.
why not run a carb style throttle body and an air cleaner under there rather than an elbow and forward facing throttle body? under hood clearance? looks like you got enough with that hood.
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08-21-2006, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Brains
I love the guys who think its a "difficult" or pointless engine swap. Its just as easy to put an LSX into a Mustang as it is any motor from Ford. They basically bolt right in !!
I guess it does make some since that putting one of the best motors into one of the best drag chassis ever built. Sorry if my comment offended anyone I was just wondering why he did it.
Like I said earlier it is a nice clean looking swap.
08-22-2006, 05:17 AM
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that looks awsom! how did you route the spark plug wires and coils?
exstanger, i'm not trying to be a smart ***, but removing the ford motor was harder than putting the ls1 in . like brains said ( check his site www.ls1stang.com) its an easy conversion to do, and when done the motor will sit farther back and lower than the ford motor ( i have a gap of a little under an inch between the pass head and the firewall), add to theat the weight savings , i still didn't put mine on a scale but the coilovers i have have been lowered to their last setting and i still have a big gap between the tire and fender.
as for the wiring , it was a peice of cake , just call one of the sponsors and ask for a harness, basically plug and play ( they even come labled as to where every wirre and connector goes).
and you should see first hand how much space the conversion frees up! (do a search and look at the stuff people have been putting) i saw a twin turbo, big single , ati supercharger, and i know some one here fitting a 6-71 blower on his !
exstanger, i'm not trying to be a smart ***, but removing the ford motor was harder than putting the ls1 in . like brains said ( check his site www.ls1stang.com) its an easy conversion to do, and when done the motor will sit farther back and lower than the ford motor ( i have a gap of a little under an inch between the pass head and the firewall), add to theat the weight savings , i still didn't put mine on a scale but the coilovers i have have been lowered to their last setting and i still have a big gap between the tire and fender.
as for the wiring , it was a peice of cake , just call one of the sponsors and ask for a harness, basically plug and play ( they even come labled as to where every wirre and connector goes).
and you should see first hand how much space the conversion frees up! (do a search and look at the stuff people have been putting) i saw a twin turbo, big single , ati supercharger, and i know some one here fitting a 6-71 blower on his !
08-22-2006, 06:03 AM
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thats hot. the cage/tubeframe whatever you call it and the motor, everything is such a georgous install on that car. everything is stainless or painted, really makes it look good.
beutiful work, props.
beutiful work, props.
08-29-2006, 10:08 AM
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LSx motors are cheap, and come with good transmissions.
Ford late model motors, are expensive and come with crappy transmissions, or Stupid expensive (2003-4 cobras) and require the use of a hydraboost brake system.
umm, $3000 350 hp LSx motor & T56/4L60 or $5000+ 4.6 4V+ 300 hp 3650 transmission.
And this is not because I am a GM guy, I make a living with Ford vehicles, its purely economics.
Oh, the Fox is good, because the rear ends are good, and the chassis is light.
Ford late model motors, are expensive and come with crappy transmissions, or Stupid expensive (2003-4 cobras) and require the use of a hydraboost brake system.
umm, $3000 350 hp LSx motor & T56/4L60 or $5000+ 4.6 4V+ 300 hp 3650 transmission.
And this is not because I am a GM guy, I make a living with Ford vehicles, its purely economics.
Oh, the Fox is good, because the rear ends are good, and the chassis is light.
my mistake.
09-04-2006, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DopeFedZ
care to email me more pics of the rear tire setup and just how you got the 28" under there
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09-05-2006, 01:53 PM
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28" tire is easy. You club the hell out of the inner fender with a 2.5lb sledge hammer, roll the fender lips as far back as possible, and use a 15x8 wheel with 5.5" backspacing. Here's the same combo on my '93, which also required liberally hacking up the side skirts and rear bumper extension.
The key is the inner fender hammering. You literally have to bash it until the metal won't move anymore. It's critical in the front part of the wheelwell. I've seen people use a 15x10 wheel with 6.5" backspacing too, but its a much tighter fit.
The key is the inner fender hammering. You literally have to bash it until the metal won't move anymore. It's critical in the front part of the wheelwell. I've seen people use a 15x10 wheel with 6.5" backspacing too, but its a much tighter fit.
09-05-2006, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CMcCarthy
28" tire is easy. You club the hell out of the inner fender with a 2.5lb sledge hammer, roll the fender lips as far back as possible, and use a 15x8 wheel with 5.5" backspacing. Here's the same combo on my '93, which also required liberally hacking up the side skirts and rear bumper extension.
The key is the inner fender hammering. You literally have to bash it until the metal won't move anymore. It's critical in the front part of the wheelwell. I've seen people use a 15x10 wheel with 6.5" backspacing too, but its a much tighter fit.
The key is the inner fender hammering. You literally have to bash it until the metal won't move anymore. It's critical in the front part of the wheelwell. I've seen people use a 15x10 wheel with 6.5" backspacing too, but its a much tighter fit.
mines a coupe car i knew it needed the BFH mod
gonna order my bogarts 15x9 w/6.25" bs ( heard the c-clip elims on a 8.8 make it .25 wide on the flanges )
09-05-2006, 03:42 PM
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hey can you post a shot of exactly how much hood clearance was needed in your setup, it looks like you could almost fit the stock hood on.
my hybrid will be a carb setup and I really would like to retain the stock hood for a truly sleeper aesthetic
thanks in advance
my hybrid will be a carb setup and I really would like to retain the stock hood for a truly sleeper aesthetic
thanks in advance
09-05-2006, 04:57 PM
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Jeff, those bogarts should absolutely be the ticket. How much wider it is depends on what brand of c-clip eliminators you use. Some require more housing trimming than others.
09-05-2006, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by exstanger
It is my opinion and mine only that Ford cars should have ford engines and chevy's should have chevy engines.
09-05-2006, 06:55 PM
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OK! First, I'm a noob here, and a Ford guy to boot. I make my living building hybrids, so this forum interests me greatly.
Exstranger, don't feel bad about your comments and/or questions. I feel the same, especially since I use Ford motors in my business. However, after seeing these LSx motors in action its hard to ignore the engineered in horsepower. I'm now thinking of dropping one in my Granada wagon parts hauler. Here's why:
My uncle has an SN-95 Mustang with a fully stroked and poked 408. Big cam, big heads, big compression, big carb. Full drag race suspension, blah blah blah. Oh! I forgot... big dollars!!! Went to the track to test, first pass out of the trailer, 10.60 @ 134. Good, but nowhere near what was expected. So theres some tuning that need to be done. Heres the good part. In the next lane was a Fairmont wagon that was dead quiet, with mufflers that ran 10 flat @ 140. And the guy got thrown out for not having a cage. Did he put it on the trailer and go home? Hell to the naw!!! He drove it home.. Chuck
Exstranger, don't feel bad about your comments and/or questions. I feel the same, especially since I use Ford motors in my business. However, after seeing these LSx motors in action its hard to ignore the engineered in horsepower. I'm now thinking of dropping one in my Granada wagon parts hauler. Here's why:
My uncle has an SN-95 Mustang with a fully stroked and poked 408. Big cam, big heads, big compression, big carb. Full drag race suspension, blah blah blah. Oh! I forgot... big dollars!!! Went to the track to test, first pass out of the trailer, 10.60 @ 134. Good, but nowhere near what was expected. So theres some tuning that need to be done. Heres the good part. In the next lane was a Fairmont wagon that was dead quiet, with mufflers that ran 10 flat @ 140. And the guy got thrown out for not having a cage. Did he put it on the trailer and go home? Hell to the naw!!! He drove it home.. Chuck
09-05-2006, 07:57 PM
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I'm running at 15x10 6.5" BS Bogart with 28's...they tuck up nicely. I had some 5.5's and they stuck out too much, hitting into the outer fender.
Yeah, I had to do the BFH mod, but they don't hit.
Yeah, I had to do the BFH mod, but they don't hit.
09-06-2006, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by exstanger
I don't get this whole lsx in a fox body thing. If I'm not mistaken it would be much less aggrevation to just build a stroker motor from Ford. What are the advantages of putting this motor in. And don't say it's hp b/c you can build a sbf just as cheap or cheaper. Don't seem worth all the work to me.
It does look nice and a good clean install.
It does look nice and a good clean install.
LS1's are pretty cheap and easy to find.
And as nice as the 302ci is it's an old engine and not great on power. Even a built h/c/i with bolt ons stuggles to make as much as a stock LS1. A stock ci 346 Ls1 will rival a 427 Ford big block in the HP department. But still remain streetable.
Plus there's mpg issues also, the LSx engines are very fuel efficent by comparison.
Personally I really love the Fox and would really like to own a Notchback. My initial plan was add a blower and exhaust, but even then it's pushing the internals and still won't be making much more HP than a stock LS1.
My other solution was using a Jaguar 4.2 DOHC V8. These are pretty compact despite being DOHC and they weight the same as a LS1. For less money than supercharing the 302ci with a few bolt ons I could get a 400bhp 4.2 Supercharged Jag engine. More power, less weight. A few simple mods should see an easy 450-500bhp out of the Jag motor too.
I guess in the US a Jag V8 would be a more expensive route, but here in the UK it'd cost similar or less than a 2nd hand LS1.
09-06-2006, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by exstanger
It is my opinion and mine only that Ford cars should have ford engines and chevy's should have chevy engines.
Think about it.
AC cars used BMC engines and Ford engine.
Honda used to use Rover engines
TVR used Rover engines
Rolls Royces have BMW engines
Bentleys and the new Buggati have a VW engine
Audi, Skoda & Seat all use VW engines
Saab use Subaru engines in some models
Rover and others have used Peouget engines
Land Rover have Jaguar, Ford and BMW engines
Mazda have used Ford engines
Lincoln uses Jaguar engines
Aston Martin uses Ford and Jaguar engines
Lambo's have a VW V10
Dodge Trucks use Mercedes and Cummins diesel engines
The list is quite endless.....
09-06-2006, 11:13 AM
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And dont forget jeeps once came with the buick motors too. Had your choice of the dauntless v6 the 327, the 350 and the 400 buick. And they were awesome for the 60's era SUV...tough as any.
09-08-2006, 01:30 AM
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add to it, unless you want to drop the $$$ on "R" block or a dart block... welcome to a split 302 when making serious power, 450+hp. You could go with a 351w based motor which are stronger, but they won't fit under a stock hood and add more weight...
I love stangs but chevy killed ford in the push rod department
I love stangs but chevy killed ford in the push rod department
09-08-2006, 08:32 AM
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I agree, my brother in law has a Drag race Fox body that he just bought. The thing has a 347 in it now and I know tweaking it and putting some N2O on it is just going to land it in splitsville. Not to mention he wants to go 9's. I'm thinking lets just take weight out of it, put a LS2 in there with L92 heads, cam and a single plane and go racing. I know that setup will be silly and cheap when it's done.
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