Whats done to the Saleen to make 575rwhp? I call bullshit on said numbers.
numbers are 537whp not 575whp and it is a 03 stroked cobra motor to 301ci. Foxlake stage 2 heads, blower cams, P1SC Procharger at 12 pounds. Tuned by Dez Racing on a Dyno Jet. Any other questions or doubts?
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nope not one... but if i had to put a mph on my car i would say 119mph car. I would always pull 118mph cars and slower. 120 mph car with the right setup driven properly would inch me out. That setup never made it to the track so i dont know how fast it was. But i would pull high 11 second cammed f bodies.
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That Saleen should be a 130mph car if he has 537rwhp. I doubt I had 500rwhp in my Cobra when I had the P1SC on it @ 11psi and I was running 10.96@126mph. Again, BS on the rwhp the Saleen makes. Looks like it makes 430rwhp to me.
That Saleen should be a 130mph car if he has 537rwhp. I doubt I had 500rwhp in my Cobra when I had the P1SC on it @ 11psi and I was running 10.96@126mph. Again, BS on the rwhp the Saleen makes. Looks like it makes 430rwhp to me.
If you think that all there is to going fast is making a hp number then you have a lot to learn about cars. First off if you are not going to get a 3800lb car to trap 130mph making 537whp through a procharger on a dyno jet. Its NOT going to happen. Its all about power under the curve, not a peak hp number. I have yet to see a procharged car with a great curve (at least in a mustang).... its just a steady climb in hp. That car might make 537whp at 6100 rpm when it shifts but its coming back into the next gear at 4200 making around 400whp. My setup was making 383whp unlocked on a dyno that was roughly 50hp off from a dyno jet. My power curve for a cam only car was far better then your average car. There was a reason i reved it out to 7200 rpm. With the converter it would flash to 5600 rpm after the shift extension where it was making around 360whp. Another huge factor in going fast is keeping momentum going and lets face it, nothing holds forward momentum better then an automatic. Whether you want to believe it or not, no matter how fast you shift a standard you are going to lose some forward momentum. So between my weight advantage, momentum advantage, gearing advantage, power under the curve advantage and rpm advantage, giving up hp was not a concern. A well built setup with less hp is far superior to a car thats put together and just makes a high hp number. I have been beaten by cars that make much less then 537whp because they had incredible power under the curve, gearing, and because there setups were built to go fast....... not just get on the dyno and roll out a high hp number. If i wanted to just make a massive hp number, I wouldnt be playing around with N/A automatic setups. I would just slap an 88mm turbo on the car and a 6 spd and spin the thing to 8k once. Just to have a dyno sheet. The owner of that car was expecting to make me look silly before the race. Im friends with the passenger in the Saleen. He asked me how much hp i made and just to play along i told him i made 383whp. He assumed that because he made more hp on a dyno that he was automatically faster. Ill admit i was expecting more out of his car. But hp DOES NOT win the race. The better SETUP does.
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He has weight reduction on his GTO, and his setup seems to be optimized for what it is. I'm not surprised about anotherdyno queen getting beat, but 535rwhp might be a very generous number. I'm pretty sure I would leave this car like if he was standing still with my 535rwhp on the bottle.
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How do I activate the turbo in my car? Is there a turbo boost button I need to press? I tried locating the turbo boost button but can't seem to find it anywhere.
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That's what I'm thinking. Even if you add the 50 rwhp across the board that he guesses he was down by (compared to a dynojet) then it's still a power band of 410-433ish vs 400-537. How does the mustang never start to pull back.
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He has weight reduction on his GTO, and his setup seems to be optimized for what it is. I'm not surprised about anotherdyno queen getting beat, but 535rwhp might be a very generous number. I'm pretty sure I would leave this car like if he was standing still with my 535rwhp on the bottle.
a h/c/i/n f body making the same hp as that car would absolutely destroy that saleen
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That's what I'm thinking. Even if you add the 50 rwhp across the board that he guesses he was down by (compared to a dynojet) then it's still a power band of 410-433ish vs 400-537. How does the mustang never start to pull back once during the races?
it could very well be a generous dyno number. But they stood by it. Also ran this video by a friend of mines reputable speed shop and they said that setup in the saleen should actually be making more power. People were getting around 420whp with my setup through autos on here. HP numbers are the most varied thing out there. I also stated earlier in this thread that if we ran it out to 150 or so he probably would have started to catch me at some point. Another factor not a lot of people tend to think of is RPM. His power band is from 4k to 6k roughly. My power band was from 5600 ton 7200. He may have been making more power but my power band was in a much higher rpm range. RPM is a massive factor in acceleration.
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So if the mustang had the exact same hp curve and numbers as it has now, but it was moved up to a higher rpm it would be faster? That's like saying that the LT1's are faster than TPI's because they make power at a higher rpm. They are faster because they make more hp, not because of where they make it (although I'm not trying to argue that the shape of the powerband doesn't matter).
Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand what happened here.
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If the mustang had the exact same hp curve and numbers as it has now, but it was moved up to a higher rpm it would be faster?
Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand what happened here.
no its fine. And yes. Lets assume same gearing all the way back from the transmission and assuming the motor could hold up to the abuse. If the saleen was making 400whp to 537whp in an rpm range of 5500 to 7500 rpm then it would be a great deal faster then the same hp numbers from 4000 to 6000 rpm.
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lmao Living in the past arent we? J/k man.. Have you done anything with the new block yet? Are you going to the track tomorrow with the rest of the crew?
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i pulled the crank and inspected it. no issues. bringing it to mason next weekend to have him hot tank, hone, and slap the cam bearings in. Once i get the rods and pistons he will balance then ill start the build. Not sure about the track yet. Are you heading up? Dude u need to put a clutch and rear end in that thing and tune it. God damn thing will be an 11 second car with only power mods being exhaust.
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Thats good news about the block. Nah I wont be goin to NED tomorrow. Dont wanna push my luck with the driveline it was a miracle it didnt take a shit last trip up.
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