the cobra is not that fast. the camaro is either on 4 cylinders or wasn't racing.
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Originally Posted by Jake@EPP
Some claim 600ish on stock bottom end, but i think those people have short blocks laying around, at that power level its like walking around with a torch in a firework store
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as for this race...I would say he missed a gear but its an automatic?!...still scratching my head on this one
He missed no gears, like you said it is an A4..
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the cobra is not that fast. the camaro is either on 4 cylinders or wasn't racing.
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I have to respectfully.....agree with this guy^
I'm glad you know how fast the Cobra is.. The guy in the camaro is a buddy of ours also.. I helped put the parts together and swap the engine.. He was racing and it is a 6.0l.
Don't disrespect me by saying he was racing on 4 cylinders or wasn't racing.
Just because it has an ms4 cam and a 6.0l doesn't mean it is the end to all things. Ported Cobras (especially TJs) is not one you should take lightly from a roll.. In that case, was I running on 4 cylinders when I ran him about 2 hours before that race and lost?
I knew someone would bring up some BS like he wasn't racing or the car is a turd, etc etc etc.. Cracks me up because this is what happens when a properly set up pullied Cobra races an average cam only ls1.. Just some of the videos people post up on here aren't as accurate as they lead them to be.
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Originally Posted by lemons12
I knew someone would bring up some BS like he wasn't racing or the car is a turd, etc etc etc.. Cracks me up because this is what happens when a properly set up pullied Cobra races an average cam only ls1.. Just some of the videos people post up on here aren't as accurate as they lead them to be.
im not knockin the vid...lol BELIEVE me!!! When i was stock i got my ass handed to me by an 04 that was pullied etc....it wasnt pretty. But i have to question you in how you say average cam when its an MS4...Thats one of the bigger cams on the street for an LS1. Granted you did say 6.0l....lol again b/c after watching it twice, thats just embarrasing...but happens to the best of us.
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im not knockin the vid...lol BELIEVE me!!! When i was stock i got my ass handed to me buy an 04 that was pullied etc....it wasnt pretty. But i have to question you in how you say average cam when its an MS4...Thats one of the bigger cams on the street for an LS1. Granted you did say 6.0l....lol again b/c after watching it twice, thats just embarrasing...but happens to the best of us.
I understand 100% where you are coming from.. But you also must remember this is a stalled a4 with stock heads (don't know if you have owned an ms4 car but stock heads and a roll are NOT what they are good at, I have many reasons for saying this but they do NOT like midrange at ALL) running against a pullied cobra.. The cars race weight is actually the same also, not that the Z28 weighing 150 lbs lighter than the Cobra would have mattered really.
I say average cam ls1 because it is not an average ms4 cam setup, but the car is just as fast as an average cam only ls1, regardless of cam.
Just trying to say that it may be a dog for what it is, but it is not a dog period. I assure you he would walk away from a 228 cam ls6 intake 3500 stall 373 gear full exhaust car.
I just hate when a 226 cam car with bolt ons walks on a pullied Cobra like it is a total joke and people come in and say Cobras are shit and this and that.
Showing that Cobras shouldn't be taken as litely as some on these boards crack it up to be.
One more..... FWIW, I don't consider my car an average 226 cam car and I got walked on also.. Granted it was from a roll and the difference would be major from a dig I would consider my car above average for its cam size. I didn't get walked quite as hard and he started in the correct gear, but still.
He only gets one roll race with me on motor, for now on it will be a dig or a roll with me on the bottle... Outcome will be different.
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that cobra would get walked by a stock ZO6 = slow...sorry ok ok...i kid
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Originally Posted by Jake@EPP
Some claim 600ish on stock bottom end, but i think those people have short blocks laying around, at that power level its like walking around with a torch in a firework store
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I understand 100% where you are coming from.. But you also must remember this is a stalled a4 with stock heads (don't know if you have owned an ms4 car but stock heads and a roll are NOT what they are good at, I have many reasons for saying this but they do NOT like midrange at ALL) running against a pullied cobra.. The cars race weight is actually the same also, not that the Z28 weighing 150 lbs lighter than the Cobra would have mattered really.
I say average cam ls1 because it is not an average ms4 cam setup, but the car is just as fast as an average cam only ls1, regardless of cam.
Just trying to say that it may be a dog for what it is, but it is not a dog period. I assure you he would walk away from a 228 cam ls6 intake 3500 stall 373 gear full exhaust car.
I just hate when a 226 cam car with bolt ons walks on a pullied Cobra like it is a total joke and people come in and say Cobras are shit and this and that.
Showing that Cobras shouldn't be taken as litely as some on these boards crack it up to be.
One more..... FWIW, I don't consider my car an average 226 cam car and I got walked on also.. Granted it was from a roll and the difference would be major from a dig I would consider my car above average for its cam size. I didn't get walked quite as hard and he started in the correct gear, but still.
He only gets one roll race with me on motor, for now on it will be a dig or a roll with me on the bottle... Outcome will be different.
ok i see where you are coming from....and now that you say it, i get to thinkin that an MS4 doesnt really like midrange AT ALL. lol sorry its been awhile since ive hung w/ a buddy of mine who used to have one. And your right...it kinda does annoy me when i see some of these guys say cobras arent shit...that usually means it wasnt setup properly. like i said ive ran a nice set up 04 and got my ass handed to me.
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that cobra would get walked by a stock ZO6 = slow...sorry ok ok...i kid
id hope you were kidding....im livin proof of that statement!
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ok i see where you are coming from....and now that you say it, i get to thinkin that an MS4 doesnt really like midrange AT ALL. lol sorry its been awhile since ive hung w/ a buddy of mine who used to have one. And your right...it kinda does annoy me when i see some of these guys say cobras arent shit...that usually means it wasnt setup properly. like i said ive ran a nice set up 04 and got my ass handed to me.
No, sadly it does not.. Back when I had my Ms4 car I use to get walked by a buddy of mine with an F13 all the time from a 40 roll, I would win from a dig and would catch back up with him the faster we went but he pulled about a car length everytime from a 40 roll.. Same thing at the track, I get a 2 car jump out of the hole, he would pull about 1 3/4 up and I would start walking away up top again.
Seen in happen more than once, I just beat a buddy with a nicely set up Ms4 car from a 40 roll with my little 226 cam car!
And Cobras can't mess with Zo6s until they have a minimum of full bolt ons, and that just makes it a fair race. It takes a pullied Cobra to beat a Zo6 *usually*.
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Cracks me up that when there is a Cobra/Ls1 thread with video and an OP that knows both cars very well that there isn't a bunch of idiots from this site/trolls that start running their mouth.
Not too much to say when, like said, the camera is mounted to a train.
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Originally Posted by lemons12
And Cobras can't mess with Zo6s until they have a minimum of full bolt ons, and that just makes it a fair race. It takes a pullied Cobra to beat a Zo6 *usually*.
i have an 01Z and i was stock....he was not. Pullied, CAI, and a tune dont remember if he had his eaton ported or not. It wasnt pretty....he jumped out 1 3/4 and it only got worse from there. 4-5 by 130mph. I believe he put down 445-460range.
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Cracks me up that when there is a Cobra/Ls1 thread with video and an OP that knows both cars very well that there isn't a bunch of idiots from this site/trolls that start running their mouth.
Not too much to say when, like said, the camera is mounted to a train.
i know exactly what you mean
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Cracks me up that when there is a Cobra/Ls1 thread with video and an OP that knows both cars very well that there isn't a bunch of idiots from this site/trolls that start running their mouth.
Not too much to say when, like said, the camera is mounted to a train.
i'm just givin ya a hard time. we all know that cobra is no joke
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Some claim 600ish on stock bottom end, but i think those people have short blocks laying around, at that power level its like walking around with a torch in a firework store
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Not saying the Cobra couldnt win the race in a normal situation but it looked to me like that Cobra would out-trap that Camaro by atleast 15mph as hard as he was pulling. Does this Camaro only trap 105-110??? If so then that is weak as shit because I know that Cobra couldnt be trappin more than 122-125 with his mods. I know thats just bench racing but that Camaro must be slow as hell to get yanked that hard.....
Not saying the Cobra couldnt win the race in a normal situation but it looked to me like that Cobra would out-trap that Camaro by atleast 15mph as hard as he was pulling. Does this Camaro only trap 105-110??? If so then that is weak as shit because I know that Cobra couldnt be trappin more than 122-125 with his mods. I know thats just bench racing but that Camaro must be slow as hell to get yanked that hard.....
i agree with you on this one. The pull is just retarded. If it is truly just a pullied eaton cobra on 15 pounds weighing 3750 then it would be trapping around 122 at best. I personally had an ms4 cammed with stock 241 heads gto pulling 118mph cars. That camaro must trap only like 105 because that was just ugly. My friends cobra was a ported, pullied, full exhaust, SRA, 3.73s, front and rear tubular suspension, 18psi, and weighed 3550 with him in it. It pulled my ms4 cam only gto 1 1/2 to 2 cars. Not trying to make excuses for the camaro. But that thing must just be a total rat slow car to get trained on that hard by such a basic cobra. But on any note.... good job to the cobra owner.
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Not saying the Cobra couldnt win the race in a normal situation but it looked to me like that Cobra would out-trap that Camaro by atleast 15mph as hard as he was pulling. Does this Camaro only trap 105-110??? If so then that is weak as shit because I know that Cobra couldnt be trappin more than 122-125 with his mods. I know thats just bench racing but that Camaro must be slow as hell to get yanked that hard.....
Normal situation? That is about as normal as it gets, it was done 4 times and the outcome was the same everytime.
If I had to guess he is very close to 100mph in the 1/8 and the camaro is right at 89-90mph.. If anybody says that isn't about spot on for an average cam only setup, you are in denial, plain and simple. Like said, the cobra would be trapping 120+mph and the Z28 would be traping around 116mph, just guessing on both though.
Thomas racing a 105mph car would just be a joke, there would be absolutely no point whatsoever.
Like I said, I know both cars VERY well, I pulled the old motor in the Z28 for the owner and helped put the new one in. I know every single mod on both cars.
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i agree with you on this one. The pull is just retarded. If it is truly just a pullied eaton cobra on 15 pounds weighing 3750 then it would be trapping around 122 at best. I personally had an ms4 cammed with stock 241 heads gto pulling 118mph cars. That camaro must trap only like 105 because that was just ugly. My friends cobra was a ported, pullied, full exhaust, SRA, 3.73s, front and rear tubular suspension, 18psi, and weighed 3550 with him in it. It pulled my ms4 cam only gto 1 1/2 to 2 cars. Not trying to make excuses for the camaro. But that thing must just be a total rat slow car to get trained on that hard by such a basic cobra. But on any note.... good job to the cobra owner.
Yes you are correct, the pull is retarded.. And that is EXACTLY what a properly setup pullied Cobra will do to your average cam only ls1. I would consider my HEADS and CAM car a tad bit above average for a full weight DD street car and he pulled pretty good on me also. AGAIN!!!! He is racing stalled a4s, not 6 speeds.
He has raced another Ms4 car besides this one, my old one. Times are in sig.. 7.2@95+mph spinning, no tune, 2500DA.. I would consider that above average. We race BEFORE he had the small pulley that he has now and was making around 11 #s of boost without a KILLER dyno tune on it.
The race from 40-120 was pretty close.. He got the jump on me and I ended up putting about 1/2 on him and was still pulling.. But this was BEFORE the pulley against a not so normal H/C car.
Such a basic Cobra!?!?! Since when is a car that traps 120+mph basic? Is it lightning fast? No, but not too many ls1 cars would hang on motor with it.
This is the problem with the people on this site.. They see (or race) one Cobra that is not set up properly or they have plenty of mods and the Cobra doesn't and they think that is the norm. THIS IS THE NORM for an average cam only ls1 racing a pullied Cobra, it is NOT pretty. Anybody who thinks differently should get out and do some racing.
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i agree with you on this one. The pull is just retarded. If it is truly just a pullied eaton cobra on 15 pounds weighing 3750 then it would be trapping around 122 at best. I personally had an ms4 cammed with stock 241 heads gto pulling 118mph cars. That camaro must trap only like 105 because that was just ugly. My friends cobra was a ported, pullied, full exhaust, SRA, 3.73s, front and rear tubular suspension, 18psi, and weighed 3550 with him in it. It pulled my ms4 cam only gto 1 1/2 to 2 cars. Not trying to make excuses for the camaro. But that thing must just be a total rat slow car to get trained on that hard by such a basic cobra. But on any note.... good job to the cobra owner.
lol...dynotune on here had a pully only cobra...and has trapped 123 before
ok ok...i kid
