another example of the money/1/4mile ratio. Lets say you had a dead stock f body. Your choices would be to run an n/a build or a procharger build. Either way your gonna go fast. Lets say a procharger kit costs 5k to completely bolt up including fuel system. Lets say a basic H/C car costs 4k with all necessary supporting mods to use the heads and cam. 9 times out of 10 the procharged version is going to be faster then the basic h/c (assuming the procharged car is running a decent amount of boost). Now knowing the procharged car makes more hp, it is going to cost you far far far more then 5k to build an n/a car that will out run that procharged car. I know this is a very rough analogy but its the same principle as the kb/whipple vs eaton. The less power your car makes, the more money you have to put else where into the car to make it out run a car with higher hp. Anyway. Im not trying to start an arguement or a who has the bigger e-dick battle. But it will always cost more money to go faster with less hp(assuming same car).
its a poor analogy because a ported eaton costs 500 bucks and a big twin screw is 5 grand. spend that 4500 bucks where it counts and you got a faster car. then you can toss a bottle on the eaton car and its lights out twin screw.
did u even read a god damn thing i said buddy. BOTH WERE ROLL RACES. It was a supra that trapped 119 mph. And what do we know about supras. They are terrible 1/4 mile cars. The 11.8 car i pulled by more then i beat the supra, also lost to the supra. As far as the compression, it had valve reliefs in the pistons which is what lowered compression. I was in the process of getting a set of cylinder heads to run 12:1 cr. And i dont know about you, but i dont know of many cam only setup gtos that can outrun 119 mph cars. Considering i beat every other cam only f body in my area with a pig of a gto. I also raced a friends AFR 205/ cammed, bolt on GTO and was side by side. Now idk about you. But i would be pretty damn proud to have an NA setup car with unported 241s and 9.8cr run dead even with another na version running afr 205s and 11.0 cr. Before you open your mouth and try and tell me i dont know how to setup a car, you should actually read.
all im reading is finger taping about beating up on some slow junk. if you can justify building a motor to go slow than congrats.
all im reading is finger taping about beating up on some slow junk. if you can justify building a motor to go slow than congrats.
i notice your local to this area. Would you be interested in racing this slow junk of a 3.4 whipple or maybe a really slow junk box H/C camaro? Im very curious to see what it is that you drive considering a 9 second car is slow to you. I like cobras even though im chevy biast... i always have.. But people like you are the reason i will never own one.
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All I can say is WOW evangto87 has no idea what he is talking about.
If i know nothing sir then please enlighten me.... go ahead... im waiting. You have had something to say about everything i post whether its a video or whatever the case may be.
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If i know nothing sir then please enlighten me.... go ahead... im waiting. You have had something to say about everything i post whether its a video or whatever the case may be.
I honestly wouldn't know where to start with you. It could be you claiming a stock LS1 F-body weighs between 3200lbs and 3300lbs or the fact that you think if you have less rwhp than another car you instantly have to dump more money into your car to make it faster. Oh and there is MUCH more, thats just the first things that come to mind.
i notice your local to this area. Would you be interested in racing this slow junk of a 3.4 whipple or maybe a really slow junk box H/C camaro? Im very curious to see what it is that you drive considering a 9 second car is slow to you. I like cobras even though im chevy biast... i always have.. But people like you are the reason i will never own one.
whats local to the area. my junk is parked for the winter maybe next year. i said im not impressed by the whipple cobras times. its not slow but its not as fast as it should be. i live chevys but people like you give them a bad name.
I honestly wouldn't know where to start with you. It could be you claiming a stock LS1 F-body weighs between 3200lbs and 3300lbs or the fact that you think if you have less rwhp than another car you instantly have to dump more money into your car to make it faster. Oh and there is MUCH more, thats just the first things that come to mind.
lol im done with you.
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whats local to the area. my junk is parked for the winter maybe next year. i said im not impressed by the whipple cobras times. its not slow but its not as fast as it should be. i live chevys but people like you give them a bad name.
Way to use the same insult as me... originality at its finest. Local to your area is about 20 minutes from Dez.
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A local Cobra runs a 2.3 whipple running 19lbs of boost. He put down 627 rwhp and 628 tq. His best at the track is a 11.4 @ 122mph. Car has a cage, solid axle 9" and gobs of other shit. Keep in mind our track is @ 2400' elevation and we dont see much better than 3000' DA. Here is a link to the car
That's flat out pathetic. I race at a DA of 2500' usually. He's about a
second off pace and he's down 10-13mph.
im an hour from dez so its not that local but not out of the question to get a few runs in. send me a pm come spring.
Will do.... and im not sure how much experience you have had building ls based motors but, 1 7/8 headers are proven to make more power over 1 3/4 even on a stock ls1. Been tested over and over again.
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I'm glad you know how fast the Cobra is.. The guy in the camaro is a buddy of ours also.. I helped put the parts together and swap the engine.. He was racing and it is a 6.0l.
Don't disrespect me by saying he was racing on 4 cylinders or wasn't racing.
Just because it has an ms4 cam and a 6.0l doesn't mean it is the end to all things. Ported Cobras (especially TJs) is not one you should take lightly from a roll.. In that case, was I running on 4 cylinders when I ran him about 2 hours before that race and lost?
I knew someone would bring up some BS like he wasn't racing or the car is a turd, etc etc etc.. Cracks me up because this is what happens when a properly set up pullied Cobra races an average cam only ls1.. Just some of the videos people post up on here aren't as accurate as they lead them to be.
Between being a full-weight camaro with, I'm assuming by his use of truck heads, an iron 6.0L block adding more weight, with low compression, and being an automatic, I'd expect him to lose. Not by that much though. How come noone has brought up the possibility of the camaro spinning? Did I miss someone saying he didn't spin at all?
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Originally Posted by SilverSS
that cobra would get walked by a stock ZO6 = slow...sorry ok ok...i kid
Not walked, but I bet you it would have been a closer race, based on how bad the camaro lost.
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Originally Posted by SStheBest
id hope you were kidding....im livin proof of that statement!
Don't talk down your Z!
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Not saying the Cobra couldnt win the race in a normal situation but it looked to me like that Cobra would out-trap that Camaro by atleast 15mph as hard as he was pulling. Does this Camaro only trap 105-110??? If so then that is weak as shit because I know that Cobra couldnt be trappin more than 122-125 with his mods. I know thats just bench racing but that Camaro must be slow as hell to get yanked that hard.....
Yea, I was also wondering, what are the details on that stall? The manufacturer and STR will make a huge difference from the roll.
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Originally Posted by Dynotune04
my junk went 124 with a pulley a bunch of times. still just a slow ass cobra
edit.. just so its clear it was full weight, stock irs, stock clutch on 17" et street radials. we got some good air up here in the northeast tho. on that note its never failed to trap over 121 on a clean run even in the july heat. i just got me a good set up with a kick ass tuner.
Sick mph, what pulley combo were you using and do you know what the temp was that day?
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I am far from being "worked up" in any sense.. This is built up from every Cobra/ls1 discussion and it gets OLD!!! It would be just the same if it was with any other brand of car, it just happens to be a Cobra.
Would I have a Cobra? Hell yes I would. Over a Zo6? Probably not... Doesn't change the fact that a pullied Cobra will walk all over an average cam only or even some H/C cars, especially stalled autos. 6 speeds are a totally different ball.. A properly set up 6 speed H/C fbody should pull a pullied Cobra, a cam only one would be a good race with the Cobra having the edge.
FWIW, I will post a vid of an fbody walking all over the Cobra shortly.. Dig and a roll. Maybe that will make you guys feel better?
Eh everything in this post is very generalized and subject to all sorts of stipulations. I had an '98 Z28 A4 stock heads/cam/intake/stall that beat a presumeably stock terminator over and over again from a 60 roll with his girlfriend in the passenger seat. Needless to say, I REALLY enjoyed that.
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Guess I should have said Cobra playing around!
Tullahoma area.. We go to Huntsville for the track. You near us?
So, you are aware that Eatons are in the 9s@130+mph also then, correct?
What are your mods?
And you don't have too much reading comprehension. I didn't say it was a basic Cobra, I asked since when is a car that traps 120+mph basic. That is not the "norm" for a street car, not by any means.
There are roughly TWO eatons in the 9's, only one of which isn't using nitrous. There are more h/c fbodys in the 9's than there are eaton cobras, not that it really matters I suppose.
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Given your definition, my "basic Cobra" went 11.20's.
Let's see where your wealth of knowledge comes from...
Ummm...yeah...ok.
Well it's tough to say. I think it's harder to find a stock Cobra than it is to find a modded one. Basic is totally subjective and doesn't even make sense with any of this so we should probably try and be a little more detailed.
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Not quite sure where your coming from saying "ummm... yeah... ok". Is that sarcasm for "bullshit you have never touched a cobra motor before"?
I agree, that was uncalled for. Do you want us to start claiming bullshit on your ET's, or saying that you don't know how to drive a car, Unit? Of course not, noone wants a shit-show.
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Originally Posted by unit213
Who cares about trap speed?
I went 11.20's with a catback, a cold air kit, an upper pulley, nittos, and
a tune. That's about as "basic" as it gets for a '03 Cobra. But I'm sure
you know what they are capable of given your experience.
Sick, that's really getting it done. That's less than four tenths away from the fastest unported eaton irs/6speed I've ever heard of.
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Originally Posted by unit213
Ask Jake at at modularfords (or dynotune). I think you'll be surprised.
Jake has spent plenty of time AND money on his setup. No surprise.
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You would be surprised how many people care about mph. And 11.20s just shows you can drive the car to its full potential and also grab a good amount of traction.
Yea, better than the average Cobra driver if you ask me. Reminds of the saying, "Better than your average bear." for some reason.
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Originally Posted by lemons12
Who agreed with you that it was less money doing it with a KB than an Eation? ESPECIALLY in your example.
Just go back and quote/answer our questions, I am curious to your answers.
Less money to go how fast exactly? Any stipulations? The factors that could come into play are huge. The deciding factor is exactly how fast you want to go.
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you are gonna spend just as much money doing it with an eaton then with a kb or whipple. the money you need to spend to run 9's safely and consistantly isnt going to change. and to be honest a stalled auto, 3.4 whipple and a SRA is kinda weak in my opinion.
What exactly do you mean by weak in your opinion? I'm just confused as to what you're actually trying to say.
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another example of the money/1/4mile ratio. Lets say you had a dead stock f body. Your choices would be to run an n/a build or a procharger build. Either way your gonna go fast. Lets say a procharger kit costs 5k to completely bolt up including fuel system. Lets say a basic H/C car costs 4k with all necessary supporting mods to use the heads and cam. 9 times out of 10 the procharged version is going to be faster then the basic h/c (assuming the procharged car is running a decent amount of boost). Now knowing the procharged car makes more hp, it is going to cost you far far far more then 5k to build an n/a car that will out run that procharged car. I know this is a very rough analogy but its the same principle as the kb/whipple vs eaton. The less power your car makes, the more money you have to put else where into the car to make it out run a car with higher hp. Anyway. Im not trying to start an arguement or a who has the bigger e-dick battle. But it will always cost more money to go faster with less hp(assuming same car).
Bigger e-dick = hilarious
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why would you take compression out of an ls1. and whats with the 1k hp 1 7/8 headers. sounds like you had a poorly set up car. if i spent all that money on a motor and could only beat a low 12 second car by a 1/2 a car i would never pick up a wrench again.
Actually the 1-7/8 headers are the way to go on that motor. The Cobra motors are a little different and actually like a little back-pressure so you don't go as big, but a high-strung LS motor loves all the room it can get to breath. I don't think he ever mentioned how much he spent. Moving on...
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iv seen faster on a stock irs, full weight cobra. your buddy's junk dont impress me. i care more about how well the set up works than how much money is dumped into it. id be more impressed by a ported/pullied cobra going 10's full weight on an irs/6speed. your friends combo should go faster than it does thats why i think its weak.
On youtube? I'm going to go ahead and throw out my once-per-thread BULLSHIT flag. You've never seen a STOCK IRS go 9's at 140+. You would be using the stock halfshafts for...well for nothing, after you launched they would be good for nothing. Not only that, I just don't think anyone would be intelligent enough to attempt to put that kind of power to the stock halfshafts. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. So there it is, my one and only BS flag for this thread.
its a poor analogy because a ported eaton costs 500 bucks and a big twin screw is 5 grand. spend that 4500 bucks where it counts and you got a faster car. then you can toss a bottle on the eaton car and its lights out twin screw.
All I can say is WOW evangto87 has no idea what he is talking about.
That's what I thought too, 10 years ago when I owned a '94 5.0L.
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lemons12: How does a 6.0 with 317s and an MS4 equal a cam only LS1!?
Surely the Cobra should have won that race. But that bad, that quickly, with the Cobra in the wrong gear?
Something was/is wrong with the Camaro, plain and simple.
Agreed, you've got an 18 ci advantage over a stock ls1. The heads aren't impressive and you've got an iron block, but still. Maybe the camaro has 2.73 gears? Now that's thinking outside of the box!
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Where are the fast cars?
Not in your sig.
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whats local to the area. my junk is parked for the winter maybe next year. i said im not impressed by the whipple cobras times. its not slow but its not as fast as it should be. i live chevys but people like you give them a bad name.
How fast should it be?
If you defend Cobras, why do you keep calling yours junk? Have some self-respect, geez!
the only reason he pulled hard on me was becuz the road was wet NOT DAMP and i spun my ass off, the cobra has nittos and i have 8"wide dryrotted tires so he can say wtf ever, plus my stall doesnt work becuz its for a truck but doesnt matter cuz it was wet, that video was from a 30 roll and we did it again from 40mph and i still spun. its ok he lemons12 got spanked by that cobra to and he hooked
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Will do.... and im not sure how much experience you have had building ls based motors but, 1 7/8 headers are proven to make more power over 1 3/4 even on a stock ls1. Been tested over and over again.
peak power is over rated. 1 3/4 headers will have better mid-range. 1 7/8 might make a bit more peak but its not gonna make the car any faster.
ok ok...i kid
Maybe that will make you guys feel better? 
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