Trust me they are slowwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! stock that is lol! just too heavy...
how do you figure, they can run a high 12 stock. they are just about even with an ls1 4th gen, it's just that their heavyweight is made up with lots of power.
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they weigh more than 400 lbs than we do, but make up for it in power. Also bolt on per bolt on they gain more since they have more cubes and better heads than we do....
aftermarket is pretty big for them already.. i think the only thing you cant gat thus far is gears
nope, a GM parts counter guy said they share the same basic rear end as the GTO and G8. Gears up to 3.90 are available then.
For the record, averaging Car Craft, Motor Trend, and wikipedia sources the average LS1 camaro weighs right at 3400lbs: the 2010 Camaro spec sheet (backed up by Edmunds.com and Super Chevy actual weigh-ins) is: (rounded up)
3750lbs LT
3780lbs LS
3920lbs SS auto
3860lbs SS manual
450+lbs lighter is a big deal! And the SS manual gets the GTO rear gears: 3.45's (all the rest get 3.27's). I heard that some LS1's got 3.42's though I believe it was only the later model SS Camaro's?
Equal tires, equal drivers, .... who knows.
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Haven't had a chance to run one yet, but I did test drive one. It definitely moved out well for the weight. The dash is just awful, though. Also, I don't think you could even get a suitcase into the trunk because the opening is about the size of a gas cap and the rear seats are even worse than in a 4th gen. With my seat at my normal driving position my seat back was almost touching the bottom of rear seat (I'm only 5'11" and I sit a bit closer than normal so that I can really slam gears).
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A 5th gen will not out run a 4th gen with equal mods, been there done that.
Please do explain. They weigh 400 heavier but have 100+ hp. Similar mods they gain usually more power from what I read as someone already posted. Perhaps you are a better driver? perhaps, you got one of the factory freaked 4th gens and he got a slow one? There's certainly a difference in an average 4th gen trapping 104-108 versus the new camaro trapping 110-112. Even bolt ons on both, I don't see it happening unless he can't drive. If that's the case, hell, makes perfect sense.
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nope, a GM parts counter guy said they share the same basic rear end as the GTO and G8. Gears up to 3.90 are available then.
For the record, averaging Car Craft, Motor Trend, and wikipedia sources the average LS1 camaro weighs right at 3400lbs: the 2010 Camaro spec sheet (backed up by Edmunds.com and Super Chevy actual weigh-ins) is: (rounded up)
3750lbs LT
3780lbs LS
3920lbs SS auto
3860lbs SS manual
450+lbs lighter is a big deal! And the SS manual gets the GTO rear gears: 3.45's (all the rest get 3.27's). I heard that some LS1's got 3.42's though I believe it was only the later model SS Camaro's?
Equal tires, equal drivers, .... who knows.
all the ls1's with a manual got 3.42s
autos got 3.08s or 3.23s
weight varies on model for the camaro
even with 450+ weight difference, there's about 100hp difference that would easily make up the weight difference. Assuming equal drivers.
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typical mods... lets go with a big street cam, CAI, misc model-specific free or cheap mods, and full exhaust +tune for both cars. (Tell me if I'm off on my numbers for the LS1 fellas):
LS3: 460-480rwhp
LS1: 360-380rwhp
IMO the kicker is heads: the above mods with good aftermarket heads and intake manifold puts them within 30rwhp of each other, where the weight difference and solid axle give the nod to the LS1. Of course if they are modded to that extent, who says the 5th gen can't go on a serious diet... lots of choices and outcomes, LSx versus LSx is always gonna be nasty and contentious. Just ask the GTO guys who are still arguing the LS1 versus LS2 thing.
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typical mods... lets go with a big street cam, CAI, misc model-specific free or cheap mods, and full exhaust +tune for both cars. (Tell me if I'm off on my numbers for the LS1 fellas):
LS3: 460-480rwhp
LS1: 360-380rwhp
IMO the kicker is heads: the above mods with good aftermarket heads and intake manifold puts them within 30rwhp of each other, where the weight difference and solid axle give the nod to the LS1. Of course if they are modded to that extent, who says the 5th gen can't go on a serious diet... lots of choices and outcomes, LSx versus LSx is always gonna be nasty and contentious. Just ask the GTO guys who are still arguing the LS1 versus LS2 thing.
looks on par to me I'll agree, moding anything can happen at that point. I just think equal mods. The 2010 camaro is just quick. Unless we are talking an auto 2010 versus a manual 2002. It's real close. I'm curious if any of the trans ratios changed? I'm only seeing 365-385rwhp on the new camaro, but I've seen the later year camaro putting down 300-330rwhp. Traps are for sure not overlapping from what I read. There's a good 3mph difference between them. It's certainly interesting but everything I read favors the new camaro. Perhaps a road coarse, rofl. 400+ weight would be a factor, lol.
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I've "heard" of LS1 camaro's supposedly pulling over 330rwhp bone stock, but don't particularly buy it: more like 290-310rwhp. I wish there was a national dyno calibration standard!!!!
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I've "heard" of LS1 camaro's supposedly pulling over 330rwhp bone stock, but don't particularly buy it: more like 290-310rwhp. I wish there was a national dyno calibration standard!!!!
I agree, I think what you posted is more on average. The few I've seen with 330rwhp were 02s since they all had the ls6 intake and some had the other block. And there were manuals. Some of the 01s had the ls6 intake too aswell as the block. But it wasn't many. They were in the low to mid 320s.
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Since we already are posting in a thread that is not supposed to be in this forum, lets hijack a bit more: Your STS kit looks to be very low priced: shouldnt you be asking more? Try listing it on LS1GTO.com forums, it'll be gone in minutes. literally minutes.
Want to sell me that converter only?
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Since we already are posting in a thread that is not supposed to be in this forum, lets hijack a bit more: Your STS kit looks to be very low priced: shouldnt you be asking more? Try listing it on LS1GTO.com forums, it'll be gone in minutes. literally minutes.
Want to sell me that converter only?
while we are at it,, yes, I should try to get more. I'm tired of looking at it. I might just do that, thanks for the tip. Yes, I might do that on the converter, I got to look at my invoices again before I post it.
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Please do explain. They weigh 400 heavier but have 100+ hp. Similar mods they gain usually more power from what I read as someone already posted. Perhaps you are a better driver? perhaps, you got one of the factory freaked 4th gens and he got a slow one? There's certainly a difference in an average 4th gen trapping 104-108 versus the new camaro trapping 110-112. Even bolt ons on both, I don't see it happening unless he can't drive. If that's the case, hell, makes perfect sense.
most new camaros aren't trapping 110-112. it's 108-109. from what i've seen between the two cars, the one with bolt ons wins.
They do pretty good from a 60 roll! I doubt any stock LS1's would be taking one down from a highway roll. Here is my story that I posted a few months ago, my car was having shifting problems at the time. I pulled the tranny shortly after and fixed it though.
After sitting at the track for 4 hours and only getting 2 runs in I was pretty frustrated. Anways, while cruising back on the freeway I see a set of tailights that catches my attention. Looky looky a new camaro, these are really rare in my area and people are charging $45,000-$50,000 for them. I go around the guy and give him a few revs. We find a nice stretch on the freeway that looks clear and he pulls up beside me. I look over and it looks like a young 16 year old who is talking on his cell phone wtf? Its a nice blue or black one with white stripes, not sure it was dark. I look over at him to see if he wants to run but hes talking on his phone.
We slow down to about 60 and I drop her down into 2nd to see if he will play. He hammers it and puts half a car on me before I get on it. Rev her out to 6500 with the shift light blairing in my face and we are door to door. Slam 3rd and we are still dead even until about 90 which surprised the shit out of me. I begin to pull pretty good on him and shut her down around 110 with a 2-3 car lead its really hard to tell. I don't know if he got out of it or anything at all. After that I wanted to talk to him but he slowed way down and never caught back up to me. No idea if it was a stock, modded, auto or stick. It sure took off hard from a 60 roll though. That thing ran way harder than the procharged 09 gt mustang I put 4 lenghts on.
I got to toy with one a little while back...he wouldn't run even up so I started behind him both times. I wasn't losing any ground and not really gaining either... seemed to be a pretty even match... I want to try one again with my Lid on.
most new camaros aren't trapping 110-112. it's 108-109. from what i've seen between the two cars, the one with bolt ons wins.
My reply was on this comment:
Originally Posted by ethan071891
A 5th gen will not out run a 4th gen with equal mods, been there done that.
As for the trap speed, Four different magazines, four different trap times. I bet you here in maryland at 100 ft it hits 112-113 on cool evening. And no shit, a bolt on to a non bolt on, I wouldn't expect anything different. Next time, make sure you comment on the entire post.
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Ready for the fun stuff. 
There's certainly a difference in an average 4th gen trapping 104-108 versus the new camaro trapping 110-112. Even bolt ons on both, I don't see it happening unless he can't drive. If that's the case, hell, makes perfect sense.
, yes, I should try to get more. I'm tired of looking at it. I might just do that, thanks for the tip. Yes, I might do that on the converter, I got to look at my invoices again before I post it.
2000 Camaro SS M6 
