2011 mustang 5.0 getting beat by stock ls1
05-13-2010, 10:19 AM
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05-13-2010, 10:21 AM
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What is basically the same?
The thread is about a fluke. This is certainly not going to be the norm when it comes to races against the two.
Hell the GT is faster than a stock 5th gen. This race was either "set up" as in the GT lost purposely, or the Fbody isn't stock. Or that's one horrible drive in the Mustang.
I will also say anyone buying a car, and running it like that as soon as they buy it is dumb, dumb, dumb.
What pattern? One video does not a pattern make.
Anyone remember when LS1tech actually had smart people in it?
thats why we are all talking about a first gen LS motor beating this new mod motor.
Hell the GT is faster than a stock 5th gen. This race was either "set up" as in the GT lost purposely, or the Fbody isn't stock. Or that's one horrible drive in the Mustang.
I will also say anyone buying a car, and running it like that as soon as they buy it is dumb, dumb, dumb.
What pattern? One video does not a pattern make.
Anyone remember when LS1tech actually had smart people in it?
05-13-2010, 10:22 AM
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I'd have to question the supposed 370rwhp of the 5.0. For every 100 pounds of weight, you will need 10 more hp to compensate. And that's flywheel.
Lets say the 5.0, in that race, was 400lbs heavier. That's about 40hp flywheel. If you have 368rwhp, you should have never been pulled the way the 5.0 was. So what if he had the 3.31 gearing, his trans gears in first and second are 3.28 and 2.89(roughly from what I remember), thats pretty stout even with the 3.31s.
I think the stang has about 345-350rwhp. Now that would make more sense from what I saw. Does it take a heavily optioned 2010 ss camaro to run high 12s at over 110mph? It does the 5.0
Lets say the 5.0, in that race, was 400lbs heavier. That's about 40hp flywheel. If you have 368rwhp, you should have never been pulled the way the 5.0 was. So what if he had the 3.31 gearing, his trans gears in first and second are 3.28 and 2.89(roughly from what I remember), thats pretty stout even with the 3.31s.
I think the stang has about 345-350rwhp. Now that would make more sense from what I saw. Does it take a heavily optioned 2010 ss camaro to run high 12s at over 110mph? It does the 5.0
05-13-2010, 10:22 AM
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Not quite. The original 302 from 67(?)-83ish(?) was actually 302 cubic inches. the "5.0" from the early Foxbody days through 95 in the SN95 cars, was 301 and some change making it 4.9L; it still rounded up to 5.0 however. I may be wrong on the dates, if anybody knows for sure please correct me.
05-13-2010, 10:28 AM
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What is basically the same?
The thread is about a fluke. This is certainly not going to be the norm when it comes to races against the two.
Hell the GT is faster than a stock 5th gen. This race was either "set up" as in the GT lost purposely, or the Fbody isn't stock. Or that's one horrible drive in the Mustang.
I will also say anyone buying a car, and running it like that as soon as they buy it is dumb, dumb, dumb.
What pattern? One video does not a pattern make.
Anyone remember when LS1tech actually had smart people in it?
The thread is about a fluke. This is certainly not going to be the norm when it comes to races against the two.
Hell the GT is faster than a stock 5th gen. This race was either "set up" as in the GT lost purposely, or the Fbody isn't stock. Or that's one horrible drive in the Mustang.
I will also say anyone buying a car, and running it like that as soon as they buy it is dumb, dumb, dumb.
What pattern? One video does not a pattern make.
Anyone remember when LS1tech actually had smart people in it?
05-13-2010, 10:30 AM
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05-13-2010, 10:33 AM
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well it isnt motor against motor. because if you put the new 5.0 in a 4th gen it would make the 4th gen faster. its basically a modern vehicle with modern abilities vs a vehicle from an era that has long since died off.
05-13-2010, 10:36 AM
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a video with two gm vehicle just happening to be around a new 5.0 like that with a video camera? yeah thats as un-staged as those videos on youporn when the pizza guy arrives and and the 3 girls have no money and pay him in sexual favors.
05-13-2010, 10:37 AM
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My buddy works at a ford dealership and got me a test drive with a new 5.0.
it pulls pretty hard...I would say just as hard as a average bolt on f-body.
We are trying to get it out again on saturday to see how it stacks up against my car, I have LTs, lid, cutout...untuned, and im auto.
it pulls pretty hard...I would say just as hard as a average bolt on f-body.
We are trying to get it out again on saturday to see how it stacks up against my car, I have LTs, lid, cutout...untuned, and im auto.
05-13-2010, 10:40 AM
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If I was making ridiculous statements in here do you think I'd be treated nicely? A lot less nice than I am being. Which isn't too nasty if you really are being honest.
It was a valid question. He's either purposely playing dumb, or he is naive.
And how easy would it be to say, film a race of your buddy driving the 5.0 and purposely losing, then putting it on the internet to troll all forums and get the hopes of naive fbody owners? BTW not saying you would, or are going to do this. I am attempting to make a point to 02wife. I look foward to said video.
BTW 02wife, the above situation is exactly what I am referring to. And it happens whenever a new car is out.
It was a valid question. He's either purposely playing dumb, or he is naive.
BTW 02wife, the above situation is exactly what I am referring to. And it happens whenever a new car is out.
05-13-2010, 10:41 AM
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I love the new camaros, but I just want to add to this that you DO gain horsepower after the engine breaks in. I raced my bro in his evo from a roll on the highway in my mustang when it had about 250 miles on it. He SMOKED ME. After I had about 1200 miles, we were screwing around again, and did the same race from a roll on the highway. I couldn't believe it but I held with him and he only put about 1.5 cars on me, where before it was more like 6 cars. And his evo is not stock, he had 26 PSI, meth injection, and bolt ons.
And to all those saying they wouldn't drive a new car like that.....I always say you break it in how it's going to be used, ie if it will be granny driven, you break it in like a granny. If it's going to be used how it was intended, you drive it like you stole it. New cars DO have a warranty by the way too.
And to all those saying they wouldn't drive a new car like that.....I always say you break it in how it's going to be used, ie if it will be granny driven, you break it in like a granny. If it's going to be used how it was intended, you drive it like you stole it. New cars DO have a warranty by the way too.
05-13-2010, 10:44 AM
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This never gets old... I've seen so many street races over 23+ years end with the "wrong car" winning lol.. Hell back in '88 i was in a GTA 5.7 bone stock when it beat a new C4 from a dead stop. Or how about an '84 auto 280ZX beat a new 5.7 IROC in front oif an entire highschool? Tell me that kid wasn't on suicide watch lol.. I've beatin plenty of cars i shouldn't have during my life. Haven't we all?
Advice to F-body owners puffing chest out today... remember it's never as good as it seems nor as bad.. play it even or you'll be eating crow, feet, etc. in a couple weeks, maybe sooner now that you're shaking the hornet's nest.
PS. that camera car is no doubt, the slowest TBSS on the face of the earth.
Advice to F-body owners puffing chest out today... remember it's never as good as it seems nor as bad.. play it even or you'll be eating crow, feet, etc. in a couple weeks, maybe sooner now that you're shaking the hornet's nest.
PS. that camera car is no doubt, the slowest TBSS on the face of the earth.
05-13-2010, 10:46 AM
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To answer some questions everyone may seem to have.... The owner of the SS is the owner of the new 5.0. ( 8 miles ) Take it with a grain of salt.
http://forums.themustangsource.com/s...d.php?t=483191
Owner of G8 GT
http://forums.themustangsource.com/s...d.php?t=483191
Well i got a suprise call today when my dealer called me and said my car had arrived, i thought he was bs'ing at first but he confirmed the vin right off the car and i drove up and sure enough my baby is in.
Finishing up the paperwork was torture knowing my car was just sitting out there, everyone at the dealership was huddled around it like some circle jerk i had to get my buddy that works up there to fend them off with a stick.
Anyways had my other buddy drive my 01 ss (mostly stock) up and down some back roads racing my new 5.0 and while i had an extra 250 lbs in the car with me and only 8 miles on the odo my old camaro was winning every race by about a half length once we got past 100.
couple of things before people start jumping off cliffs.
1. the car only had maybe 10 miles on the odo
2. i had an extra 250 lbs in the car (ford salesman who helped me fend people off)
3. that motor in my 01 ss dynoed at 330 rwhp stock (helluva underating)
i think it had more to do with the car not being broke in, after 70 miles i raced another friend in a g8 with cam and full exhaust and tune and had em (not by much) but still.
I can't figure out how to turn off traction control WTF..
Anyways all those races today except the g8 were caught on film and i will be posting them up later on tonight. (i have to go to a very important thing right now and will get back online tonight.
But until then enjoy this pic
I'll be posting vids tonight and high quality pics tomorrow.
Finishing up the paperwork was torture knowing my car was just sitting out there, everyone at the dealership was huddled around it like some circle jerk i had to get my buddy that works up there to fend them off with a stick.
Anyways had my other buddy drive my 01 ss (mostly stock) up and down some back roads racing my new 5.0 and while i had an extra 250 lbs in the car with me and only 8 miles on the odo my old camaro was winning every race by about a half length once we got past 100.
couple of things before people start jumping off cliffs.
1. the car only had maybe 10 miles on the odo
2. i had an extra 250 lbs in the car (ford salesman who helped me fend people off)
3. that motor in my 01 ss dynoed at 330 rwhp stock (helluva underating)
i think it had more to do with the car not being broke in, after 70 miles i raced another friend in a g8 with cam and full exhaust and tune and had em (not by much) but still.
I can't figure out how to turn off traction control WTF..
Anyways all those races today except the g8 were caught on film and i will be posting them up later on tonight. (i have to go to a very important thing right now and will get back online tonight.
But until then enjoy this pic
I'll be posting vids tonight and high quality pics tomorrow.
Owner of G8 GT
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05-13-2010, 10:48 AM
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And how easy would it be to say, film a race of your buddy driving the 5.0 and purposely losing, then putting it on the internet to troll all forums and get the hopes of naive fbody owners? BTW not saying you would, or are going to do this. I am attempting to make a point to 02wife. I look foward to said video.
05-13-2010, 10:50 AM
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The thread is about a fluke. This is certainly not going to be the norm when it comes to races against the two.
[B]Hell the GT is faster than a stock 5th gen[B]. This race was either "set up" as in the GT lost purposely, or the Fbody isn't stock. Or that's one horrible drive in the Mustang.
I will also say anyone buying a car, and running it like that as soon as they buy it is dumb, dumb, dumb.
What pattern? One video does not a pattern make.
Anyone remember when LS1tech actually had smart people in it?
05-13-2010, 10:59 AM
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If a slower car beats a faster car, it's because of the faster car has a sucky driver.
Unless all of you are willing to say 2v GTs are faster than Ls1 fbodies.
Do anyone of you really think two equally decent drivers racing in a stock Fbody LS1 and a stock 2011 GT, that the Fbody is going to take it?
If so, the fanboy is much deeper in here than I thought.