My Faceplated T56 experience
No need to double clutch is you know how to heel-toe
A face plated transmission can be drive on the street. Its only a matter of taste as to how anoying it can be. For me, the things what would normaly **** me off in a daily driver ie. noise, rattles, clunking trans, make the weekend car more fun.
A face plated transmission can be drive on the street. Its only a matter of taste as to how anoying it can be. For me, the things what would normaly **** me off in a daily driver ie. noise, rattles, clunking trans, make the weekend car more fun.
It has to be the worst setup pedals for that technique I've ever come across on any car and it's damn near impossible in my car with the gas pedal set back WAY farther than the brake pedal. You would almost have to reverse which pedal to heel with and which to toe with to make it work (gas with toe and brake with heel, which just feels ridiculous). Who the hell can heel-toe in an Fbody??? It has to be the worst setup pedals for that technique I've ever come across on any car and it's damn near impossible in my car with the gas pedal set back WAY farther than the brake pedal. You would almost have to reverse which pedal to heel with and which to toe with to make it work (gas with toe and brake with heel, which just feels ridiculous).
It has to be the worst setup pedals for that technique I've ever come across on any car and it's damn near impossible in my car with the gas pedal set back WAY farther than the brake pedal. You would almost have to reverse which pedal to heel with and which to toe with to make it work (gas with toe and brake with heel, which just feels ridiculous).
You need to visit http://www.frrax.com or www.corner-carvers.com, you'll find lots of heel-toe'ing Fbody owners... :-p my t56 was proshifted (same concept as faceplateing).
i LOVED it for racing. but hated street driving it. after less then 4000 miles of street driving the gears started to burr up in 3rd and it would constantly pop out of gear. faceplating will do the same after time.
BAD *** for racing. SUCKS for street driving. very very annoying.
heres a vid -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0724awWcAHw
you can hear it grind going into first.
i LOVED it for racing. but hated street driving it. after less then 4000 miles of street driving the gears started to burr up in 3rd and it would constantly pop out of gear. faceplating will do the same after time.
BAD *** for racing. SUCKS for street driving. very very annoying.
heres a vid -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0724awWcAHw
you can hear it grind going into first.
From my understanding one of the advantages of faceplating vs proshifting is that this does NOT happen. But this is only from what I've read about it.
in all honestly, i feel i can shift just as fast w/ a synchro'd tranny then i could with my proshifted.
to get teh FULL benefit of a faceplated setup you need to run a slipper clutch. this way you dont have to use the clutch at all and you just shift from gear to gear.
vid of me w/ proshifted-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0724awWcAHw
vid of me w/ synchro'd- ( i'm driving the SS)
http://s141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ent=MOV078.flv
to get teh FULL benefit of a faceplated setup you need to run a slipper clutch. this way you dont have to use the clutch at all and you just shift from gear to gear.
vid of me w/ proshifted-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0724awWcAHw
vid of me w/ synchro'd- ( i'm driving the SS)
http://s141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ent=MOV078.flv
Who the hell can heel-toe in an Fbody??? It has to be the worst setup pedals for that technique I've ever come across on any car and it's damn near impossible in my car with the gas pedal set back WAY farther than the brake pedal. You would almost have to reverse which pedal to heel with and which to toe with to make it work (gas with toe and brake with heel, which just feels ridiculous).
It has to be the worst setup pedals for that technique I've ever come across on any car and it's damn near impossible in my car with the gas pedal set back WAY farther than the brake pedal. You would almost have to reverse which pedal to heel with and which to toe with to make it work (gas with toe and brake with heel, which just feels ridiculous).You are correct sir! A faceplated transmission will still need to be maintained, but much less often then a proshifted one.
I drive my faceplated t56 almost everyday.
As far as heel/toe. Every driving class I have been to teach that your heal isn't supposed to leave the floor.You lose the referance point which makes you lose consitancy
As far as heel/toe. Every driving class I have been to teach that your heal isn't supposed to leave the floor.You lose the referance point which makes you lose consitancy
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The thing about a face plated trans that makes it better at the strip for me is consistency. You dont have to keep the clutch disengaged for as long as you do with a synchro'd trans. Many of us have held the throttle to the floor and stomped the clutch, shifting the next gear. Thing is, with synchros, once in a while they can fail to speed match that quickly and you miss a gear. With face plating, its going in, period. You can cheat a little on your clutch disengagement, thereby making for a faster shift. I can shift faster with it then a synchro'd trans. I had guys watching me at Gateway and they noticed how fast my shifts were. They said there didnt seem to be the wind up between gears that you usually hear with keeping it to the floor. All 4 gears without a hitch. I've got 8-10K on mine and no trouble yet.
I don't have alot on it yet. maybe 2k? I didn't get the car runnning til late this year.
Daveess02-not many people believe I am staying on the gas(powershifting) because it doesn't wind up at all between shifts.
I faceplated mine cause I was having trouble missing gears not even powershifting
Daveess02-not many people believe I am staying on the gas(powershifting) because it doesn't wind up at all between shifts.
I faceplated mine cause I was having trouble missing gears not even powershifting
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From: South Jerzy
same here
stock T56, december of 05'
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/M...s-Am_20017.htm
faceplated T56, 10-30-08, 10-31-08
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9...e-f28e029ae5f3
in all honestly, i feel i can shift just as fast w/ a synchro'd tranny then i could with my proshifted.
to get teh FULL benefit of a faceplated setup you need to run a slipper clutch. this way you dont have to use the clutch at all and you just shift from gear to gear.
vid of me w/ proshifted-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0724awWcAHw
vid of me w/ synchro'd- ( i'm driving the SS)
http://s141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ent=MOV078.flv
to get teh FULL benefit of a faceplated setup you need to run a slipper clutch. this way you dont have to use the clutch at all and you just shift from gear to gear.
vid of me w/ proshifted-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0724awWcAHw
vid of me w/ synchro'd- ( i'm driving the SS)
http://s141.photobucket.com/albums/r...ent=MOV078.flv
Not to make fun, but seems you forgot how to drive in the proshifted video (horrible burnout, missed a gear top end) Seems you relearned in the synchro'd vid
Tip: Your FIRST launch is your BEST launch. Cut out that dry hop crap and you will have better 60' times every time, more consistent as well.
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here's some good faceplated shifting.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97392526&hl=en
I got a camera now so I am gonna have some incar vids this year. My car is too quiet to here from the outside
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...97392526&hl=en
I got a camera now so I am gonna have some incar vids this year. My car is too quiet to here from the outside
Andrew