2009 bmw m3 vs 2010 ss camaro?
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Breaking axels with stock tires when running a 13.4 1/4 is pathetic.
I like all the excuses the guy comes up with when he realizes BMW's are slow, and unreliable, pieces of ****.
Feeling shitty about being ripped off is one thing, but then trying to make fun of Corvette, Camaro, and Firebrids is just a scumbag move.
Please notice, the DRIVER of the Corvette FAILED and NOT it's rear axels like your piece of **** BMW.
News Flash Jose':
A ZR1 DESTROYS all BMW's on the "race track" and has ALSO ran 9 second 1/4 mile times with a manual transmission.
Now, go take your bean eating, german humping, american hating *** and run south of the border.
I like all the excuses the guy comes up with when he realizes BMW's are slow, and unreliable, pieces of ****.
Feeling shitty about being ripped off is one thing, but then trying to make fun of Corvette, Camaro, and Firebrids is just a scumbag move.
Please notice, the DRIVER of the Corvette FAILED and NOT it's rear axels like your piece of **** BMW.
News Flash Jose':
A ZR1 DESTROYS all BMW's on the "race track" and has ALSO ran 9 second 1/4 mile times with a manual transmission.
Now, go take your bean eating, german humping, american hating *** and run south of the border.
the Bimmer will get you late way more often. here in L.A. anyway
two way different cars, I wouldnt not want to crazy mods an M3 besides suspension. but an SS would be faster cheaper.
If one could afford such car they would be able to keep your car in your sig, no?
M3 and keep your car
two way different cars, I wouldnt not want to crazy mods an M3 besides suspension. but an SS would be faster cheaper.
If one could afford such car they would be able to keep your car in your sig, no?
M3 and keep your car
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Intake/Exhaust/Tune on an E92 M3 will get you 400 to the wheels if that helps.
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It's true, the extra 5mph the M3 is getting is nothing to sneeze at.....but the LS3 can EASILY be modded to smash the BWM.
Although I HATE Euro-trash BMW snobs, I have to admit that 300+lbs weight advantage the M3 has is SIGNICANT and cannot be undone.
Ripping apart a brand new Camaro for weight savings is just stupid.
Not to mention, the BMW can be ripped apart for weight savings as well.
The lower weight and DCT trans is where the Camaro can't match the M3.
But, I'd take the Camaro, add a TVS 2300 & headers, then pocket the money saved by skipping the M3.
Although I HATE Euro-trash BMW snobs, I have to admit that 300+lbs weight advantage the M3 has is SIGNICANT and cannot be undone.
Ripping apart a brand new Camaro for weight savings is just stupid.
Not to mention, the BMW can be ripped apart for weight savings as well.
The lower weight and DCT trans is where the Camaro can't match the M3.
But, I'd take the Camaro, add a TVS 2300 & headers, then pocket the money saved by skipping the M3.
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Well with car and driver magazine editors behind the wheel, the SS Camaro runs a 13.0 @ 111. The best time I've seen on c&d (again magazine racing is the best judge of what stock for stock will do, I'm not touching modding) for the M3 is a 12.6 @ 113. However there was a comparison test where there best time was a 12.9 @ 111. 300 lbs lighter or not, those trap speeds are pretty close, I'd call this one a driver's race.
In the curves I wouldn't tackle the M3 until after a few suspension upgrades, the M3 pulled an 8:05 nurburgring time, and the Camaro did a respectable 8:20, but still not in the M3's league in the curves.
In the curves I wouldn't tackle the M3 until after a few suspension upgrades, the M3 pulled an 8:05 nurburgring time, and the Camaro did a respectable 8:20, but still not in the M3's league in the curves.
The Ms gearing really helps it out alot.
LMR got a 111mph out of their LTs,tune and cai 2010 SS Camaro
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Old thread but I'm reviving it anyways. And yes, this is my first post.
Man, are some of yall completely wrong.
1. A camaro will never ever out handle/corner a M3. It just ain't gonna happen. How many camaros do yall see at a road course? Even better, how many camaros are there in the professional racing series? Case in point, even if you strip all the excess weight and do major suspension modifications, you still won't out handle/corner a M3 with similar modifications...not even close.
2. Nurburgring lap times... 8:20 for Camaro, 8:05 for E92 (sedan) M3, 7:59 for CTS-V. That's a 15 second difference for the Camaro and M3, which is an eternity. With an extra 150hp, the CTS-V is only 6 seconds faster than the M3. If the M3 had a supercharger adding 150hp (which there is one currently available...wish someone could take it to the 'Ring and test it), it would easily murder the CTS-V.
3. Wow. G8 GT's and GXP's holding up with a M3 in turning and braking (learn how to spell, btw)? What are you smoking? Show me some proof, sir. Once again, it'll never happen.
4. Ahh the ZR-1 comparison. That's a good one, comparing a 110 grand, 2 seater with 638 supercharged hp, 604 lb ft of torque to a naturally aspirated 414 hp v8 with 295 lb ft torque, 4/5 seater costing 55k, which is half the cost of the ZR1. Fail.
Man, are some of yall completely wrong.
1. A camaro will never ever out handle/corner a M3. It just ain't gonna happen. How many camaros do yall see at a road course? Even better, how many camaros are there in the professional racing series? Case in point, even if you strip all the excess weight and do major suspension modifications, you still won't out handle/corner a M3 with similar modifications...not even close.
2. Nurburgring lap times... 8:20 for Camaro, 8:05 for E92 (sedan) M3, 7:59 for CTS-V. That's a 15 second difference for the Camaro and M3, which is an eternity. With an extra 150hp, the CTS-V is only 6 seconds faster than the M3. If the M3 had a supercharger adding 150hp (which there is one currently available...wish someone could take it to the 'Ring and test it), it would easily murder the CTS-V.
3.
All in All... The BMW is expensive, only weights a little less, and the performance is similar to the 5th Gen. Ironicly the G8 GT's and GXP's hold up with the BMW's in turning and breaking... and the G8 shares the same platform as the new Camaro.
4.
News Flash Jose':
A ZR1 DESTROYS all BMW's on the "race track" and has ALSO ran 9 second 1/4 mile times with a manual transmission.
Now, go take your bean eating, german humping, american hating *** and run south of the border.
A ZR1 DESTROYS all BMW's on the "race track" and has ALSO ran 9 second 1/4 mile times with a manual transmission.
Now, go take your bean eating, german humping, american hating *** and run south of the border.
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Old thread but I'm reviving it anyways. And yes, this is my first post.
Man, are some of yall completely wrong.
1. A camaro will never ever out handle/corner a M3. It just ain't gonna happen. How many camaros do yall see at a road course? Even better, how many camaros are there in the professional racing series? Case in point, even if you strip all the excess weight and do major suspension modifications, you still won't out handle/corner a M3 with similar modifications...not even close.
2. Nurburgring lap times... 8:20 for Camaro, 8:05 for E92 (sedan) M3, 7:59 for CTS-V. That's a 15 second difference for the Camaro and M3, which is an eternity. With an extra 150hp, the CTS-V is only 6 seconds faster than the M3. If the M3 had a supercharger adding 150hp (which there is one currently available...wish someone could take it to the 'Ring and test it), it would easily murder the CTS-V.
3. Wow. G8 GT's and GXP's holding up with a M3 in turning and braking (learn how to spell, btw)? What are you smoking? Show me some proof, sir. Once again, it'll never happen.
4.
Ahh the ZR-1 comparison. That's a good one, comparing a 110 grand, 2 seater with 638 supercharged hp, 604 lb ft of torque to a naturally aspirated 414 hp v8 with 295 lb ft torque, 4/5 seater costing 55k, which is half the cost of the ZR1. Fail.
Man, are some of yall completely wrong.
1. A camaro will never ever out handle/corner a M3. It just ain't gonna happen. How many camaros do yall see at a road course? Even better, how many camaros are there in the professional racing series? Case in point, even if you strip all the excess weight and do major suspension modifications, you still won't out handle/corner a M3 with similar modifications...not even close.
2. Nurburgring lap times... 8:20 for Camaro, 8:05 for E92 (sedan) M3, 7:59 for CTS-V. That's a 15 second difference for the Camaro and M3, which is an eternity. With an extra 150hp, the CTS-V is only 6 seconds faster than the M3. If the M3 had a supercharger adding 150hp (which there is one currently available...wish someone could take it to the 'Ring and test it), it would easily murder the CTS-V.
3. Wow. G8 GT's and GXP's holding up with a M3 in turning and braking (learn how to spell, btw)? What are you smoking? Show me some proof, sir. Once again, it'll never happen.
4.
Ahh the ZR-1 comparison. That's a good one, comparing a 110 grand, 2 seater with 638 supercharged hp, 604 lb ft of torque to a naturally aspirated 414 hp v8 with 295 lb ft torque, 4/5 seater costing 55k, which is half the cost of the ZR1. Fail.
Can you ban someone after 1 post? Go back to the BMW forums.
pretty legit until his comparison between the ctsv and m3 which is a ok comparison for the ring. comparable cost, ctsv is supercharged but m3 is much smaller. plus the comment about the m3 getting a supercharger is really humorous and ignorant.
while the zr1 comment might be a bit much, there are M cars in that price range. a z06 maybe a bit better. for a while gm cars were constantly being tested to more expensive german cars, now the shoe is on the other foot and thats your argument? lol
remember the camaro is half the cost of the m3
while the zr1 comment might be a bit much, there are M cars in that price range. a z06 maybe a bit better. for a while gm cars were constantly being tested to more expensive german cars, now the shoe is on the other foot and thats your argument? lol
remember the camaro is half the cost of the m3
Last edited by disc0monkey; Feb 5, 2010 at 07:03 PM.
Pedders recently built a 5th gen camaro that pulled a 1.38g on the skid pad and outhandled a corvette handily.
A camaro could easily be made to out handle a bmw. If you have money you can do pretty much what you want with anything.
As for strait line...I guess it would be close (2 confirmed cars have pulled 12.6's with the new camaro and it has been on the streets less than a year).
Look on youtube for the LS3 camaro with full exhaust,CAI, and under drive crank pulley, UNTUNED. He walks a v10 bmw M5 until higher speeds.
The new camaro is no slouch
A camaro could easily be made to out handle a bmw. If you have money you can do pretty much what you want with anything.
As for strait line...I guess it would be close (2 confirmed cars have pulled 12.6's with the new camaro and it has been on the streets less than a year).
Look on youtube for the LS3 camaro with full exhaust,CAI, and under drive crank pulley, UNTUNED. He walks a v10 bmw M5 until higher speeds.
The new camaro is no slouch
your starting to sound like the idiot with the 'well supercharge the m3' comment.
you can get a POS '90 civic to beat a M5 whats your point?
the m5 still neck and neck with a camaro that had aftermarket junk put on it. while the m5 owner doesnt even have a ******* dipstick and doesnt have to give a ****. i dont get these conversations every time they pop up here.
you can get a POS '90 civic to beat a M5 whats your point?
the m5 still neck and neck with a camaro that had aftermarket junk put on it. while the m5 owner doesnt even have a ******* dipstick and doesnt have to give a ****. i dont get these conversations every time they pop up here.
Last edited by disc0monkey; Feb 5, 2010 at 11:38 PM.
Old thread but I'm reviving it anyways. And yes, this is my first post.
3. Wow. G8 GT's and GXP's holding up with a M3 in turning and braking (learn how to spell, btw)? What are you smoking? Show me some proof, sir. Once again, it'll never happen.
Man, are some of yall completely wrong.
3. Wow. G8 GT's and GXP's holding up with a M3 in turning and braking (learn how to spell, btw)? What are you smoking? Show me some proof, sir. Once again, it'll never happen.
Man, are some of yall completely wrong.
1. A camaro will never ever out handle/corner a M3. It just ain't gonna happen. How many camaros do yall see at a road course? Even better, how many camaros are there in the professional racing series? Case in point, even if you strip all the excess weight and do major suspension modifications, you still won't out handle/corner a M3 with similar modifications...not even close.
Oh wow, kind of like comparing a 60K car to a 30K car??? Which is twice the cost of the Camaro SS. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Fail.
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This is applicable to the topic.
1,310 Reasons not to Drag-Race Your BMW M3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSEkU...layer_embedded
1,310 Reasons not to Drag-Race Your BMW M3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSEkU...layer_embedded
And yes, you can get a Camaro to out-handle a M3.
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Oh wow, kind of like comparing a 60K car to a 30K car??? Which is twice the cost of the Camaro SS. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Fail.
You want to bitch about spelling? Try using proper grammar first.
Hey moron, did you happen to watch the Rolex 24??? Two Camaros finished in the top 10 in GT. Not bad for a first year car. Not to mention it kicked the crap out those eurotrash M6's in class. There are 4 in that class but there must not be any in professional motorsports. Not to mention they are in the Koni challenge as well as autoX courses all over. Springs and sways will have a Camaro running with an M3 with the same mods easily.
I guess this tool is 1 and done.
And yes, you can get a Camaro to out-handle a M3.
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It takes more than springs and sways.
Show me.