Chevy Volt rated at 230mpg
So after ten years in the average car you won't need:
new engine
new tranny
new axles
new radiator
??
All of that adds up to something.
Factor in the lower cost of operation and that fact that someone will probably come out with a cheaper aftermarket battery replacement and the picture isn't so dismal.
new engine
new tranny
new axles
new radiator
??
All of that adds up to something.
Factor in the lower cost of operation and that fact that someone will probably come out with a cheaper aftermarket battery replacement and the picture isn't so dismal.
Blackend2k is right. All I'm saying is I am not a fan of the pissing contest electric cars that the car companies are getting into. It's a great idea but then again I don't think all of the alternative fuels are getting a fair shake. Every company is racing to get an electric car out. I just don't see the savings after everything is said and done.
GM had an electric car 10 years ago. A guy from GM drove one to my school to show it off. it was a 100 mile round trip to my school and back, and he did it just fine. What ever happened to this technology?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3rw9MsHB8Y
GM and HONDA did something really fucked up, but Ford and GM's models can still be bought, check out craigslist and ebay
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Wrong on honda is the only company to have hydrogen cars. GM had the first prototypes almost a decade ago. By the way GM is way ahead of honda in the hydrogen tech too. Motor Trend is not a good "source" of information. Pretty sure they are saying 40k for price. Sure it will be more though. The volt is not a hybrid. Hybrids are and always have been a waste of time and resources. Barely more efficient than a regular car of the same size and cost a whole lot more. The volt is an electric car. Drive by wire operation. Engine ensures enough battery charge for the car to drive. The volt in my view is a pre hydrogen car. They change the engine for a "stack" or hydrogen reactor in a few years when they have more access to hydrogen fueling stations in the future. Of course hydrogen is taken from water. That will be the next enviro crisis by the way. Wait and see. We will be using to much water next.
Wrong on honda is the only company to have hydrogen cars. GM had the first prototypes almost a decade ago. By the way GM is way ahead of honda in the hydrogen tech too. Motor Trend is not a good "source" of information. Pretty sure they are saying 40k for price. Sure it will be more though. The volt is not a hybrid. Hybrids are and always have been a waste of time and resources. Barely more efficient than a regular car of the same size and cost a whole lot more. The volt is an electric car. Drive by wire operation. Engine ensures enough battery charge for the car to drive. The volt in my view is a pre hydrogen car. They change the engine for a "stack" or hydrogen reactor in a few years when they have more access to hydrogen fueling stations in the future. Of course hydrogen is taken from water. That will be the next enviro crisis by the way. Wait and see. We will be using to much water next.
No one said Honda was the first to have a hydrogen powered car, they were the first to release one. Gm made them sure, but you couldnt buy them. Honda's Clarity will be available to the public. And besides that, didnt Ford have a Hybdrogen powered mustang days ahead of anythign GM did? And then of course there is the HICE (hydrogen internal combustion engine) vs Hydrogen fuel cell. I think Honda may have the first Hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. And the Volt is a plug in hybrid, its not an electric car. To actually be considered an electric car you have to just charge and drive, the volt does in fact have a gasoline powered 4 cylinder as part of its drivetrain, its still a hybrid. Just the next generation if you will. Hydrogen is the answer i believe, but you still dont save money in fact today wouldnt hydrogen cost something like $18/gallon?
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Hydrogen is the most abundant resource in the universe. The emissions from a hydrogen generator is WATER. You have assumed that water is the source of the hydrogen & it is not. Further, the post says the only hydrogen FAMILY car available today. If GM has one available for purchase, I'd be happy to learn more about it.
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No I am talking about water being the easiest and cheapest way to get hydrogen. I know it is the most abundant resource in the universe and it can be manufactured easily. I never said honda for that matter didn't have one. Honda's drive by wire is not up to par as it should be. GM hasn't released one, because there is no demand for one and even less ability to fuel one. Why produce a vehicle that you can't fuel here in the states. Yeah they have stations, but very few. And GM does have a fully functional fleet on the road it just isn't in "production" for the public. Cars and suv's both are ready to go.
I don't know how much hydrogen would cost per gallon now, but I agree for sure it is what is the answer. Answer to the alternative fuel for sure. Easy and abundant, but I just see it becoming the next oil. Someone somewhere and some time will decide we are using to much. Solve environmental problems? NO it won't.
I don't know how much hydrogen would cost per gallon now, but I agree for sure it is what is the answer. Answer to the alternative fuel for sure. Easy and abundant, but I just see it becoming the next oil. Someone somewhere and some time will decide we are using to much. Solve environmental problems? NO it won't.
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Hydrogen is the most abundant resource in the universe. The emissions from a hydrogen generator is WATER. You have assumed that water is the source of the hydrogen & it is not. Further, the post says the only hydrogen FAMILY car available today. If GM has one available for purchase, I'd be happy to learn more about it.
To also get the energy from Hydrogen it takes more than it does Octane. Just think of it as comparing gas to Ethanol. A car running on E85 will get less mileage than that of a car on 100% octane. Trying to remember why, want to say something to do with the charge density but not 100% sure. Been out of chemistry for the past 3 months and haven't been going over my notes. I showed the Top Gear video to my teacher and he did say while it is a good idea practicality is kind of hard. The entire trunk is more than likely taken up with the gas tank, and probably consists of 30 gallons or more just to make the 300 mile average gas tank.
It is a start though. Running off of electricity strictly though (ie Tesla cars) is kind of a joke. As May put it on Top Gear, "its like taking a step back instead of a step forward."
Well, i dont know about other states but here in California there are already 22 stations and there is one within an hour drive in any direction, seems readily available to me. And there are a ton of manufacturers with PLANNED models in the next few years, BMW 7 series, RX8, Silverados, everything you could imagine. I think its on its way, and its coming faster than anything else. Why? Becuase Petroleum companies get to stay in the game with this, or at least Shell/Chevron. And i think its awesome. I want a car with batteries AND a Hydrogen cell, why not charge what you can and use the Hydrogen as a back up part of a hybvrid drivetrain? I think im going to start manufacturing cars when im done with school lOl
Well, i dont know about other states but here in California there are already 22 stations and there is one within an hour drive in any direction, seems readily available to me. And there are a ton of manufacturers with PLANNED models in the next few years, BMW 7 series, RX8, Silverados, everything you could imagine. I think its on its way, and its coming faster than anything else. Why? Becuase Petroleum companies get to stay in the game with this, or at least Shell/Chevron. And i think its awesome. I want a car with batteries AND a Hydrogen cell, why not charge what you can and use the Hydrogen as a back up part of a hybvrid drivetrain? I think im going to start manufacturing cars when im done with school lOl
This is silly. So what they are saying is that if it had a 18 gallon tank, I would have driven my car for 9 months straight and still had a gallon to spare? What a load of ****. I only drive 10 miles a day at most a week, so basically the gas would turn to slime before it ever gets used. Mmmmm new pushrods.
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This is silly. So what they are saying is that if it had a 18 gallon tank, I would have driven my car for 9 months straight and still had a gallon to spare? What a load of ****. I only drive 10 miles a day at most a week, so basically the gas would turn to slime before it ever gets used. Mmmmm new pushrods.
Well actually in your case, assuming you plug it in every night or whatever...yeah you would never have to fill it up.
And then, this is just me persoanally, im not saying many people could do this, but my dad has peach orchards. We have gas pumps on trailers that just sit for 11 months out of the year that each hold 1,000 gallons. If i decide to in the future, i could just haul that down there and filli t up and bring it home so i wouldnt have to go anywhere for quite some time. But those trailers only cost about $1500 brand new and they have a pump and an agitator and everything. And of course the cities im talking about in the first place are like San Fransisco, Sacramento, San diego, etc etc so for millions of people, there are hydrogen pumps right down the street.
This is silly. So what they are saying is that if it had a 18 gallon tank, I would have driven my car for 9 months straight and still had a gallon to spare? What a load of ****. I only drive 10 miles a day at most a week, so basically the gas would turn to slime before it ever gets used. Mmmmm new pushrods.
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This is silly. So what they are saying is that if it had a 18 gallon tank, I would have driven my car for 9 months straight and still had a gallon to spare? What a load of ****. I only drive 10 miles a day at most a week, so basically the gas would turn to slime before it ever gets used. Mmmmm new pushrods.
Well, im saying it would be just as easy as anything else for the large amount of us that commute to the bigger cities anyway. And on top of that, an hour drive isnt bad once a week. I would do it, in fact thats what i have to do once i convert to E85 this year. Its worth it to me, but also, i plan on filling a 5 or 10 gallon tanik each time i go.
And then, this is just me persoanally, im not saying many people could do this, but my dad has peach orchards. We have gas pumps on trailers that just sit for 11 months out of the year that each hold 1,000 gallons. If i decide to in the future, i could just haul that down there and filli t up and bring it home so i wouldnt have to go anywhere for quite some time. But those trailers only cost about $1500 brand new and they have a pump and an agitator and everything. And of course the cities im talking about in the first place are like San Fransisco, Sacramento, San diego, etc etc so for millions of people, there are hydrogen pumps right down the street.
And then, this is just me persoanally, im not saying many people could do this, but my dad has peach orchards. We have gas pumps on trailers that just sit for 11 months out of the year that each hold 1,000 gallons. If i decide to in the future, i could just haul that down there and filli t up and bring it home so i wouldnt have to go anywhere for quite some time. But those trailers only cost about $1500 brand new and they have a pump and an agitator and everything. And of course the cities im talking about in the first place are like San Fransisco, Sacramento, San diego, etc etc so for millions of people, there are hydrogen pumps right down the street.
