Anyone have any idea how fun this project would be? I have been tossing the idea around for a few months now. I ended up going with a big stroker LS1 block instead because of the $$$ & the work that would need to be done if you were to go with a 572 ci. I don't think it's been done yet. I've been reserching it now for about 3 months. I called all the big engine shops down in the states & no one has done a 572 yet. Basically you would have to front half your car! Everything would be custom, from tubular chassis to shock tower relocation, k member, cutting out the cowl, etc... But can you imagine a crate engine putting out 720 HP!!! That's not even touched yet. Heads, cam, stroker, power adder. You could easily get 2000 -3000 HP out of it. Who's got the ***** & the $$$ to take on this project?

 

I believe that their are several 4th gen race cars running big blocks. In fact BMR makes a bolt in K-member for a big block 4th gen set up.

 

Here's a link to the BMR k-member. http://www.bmrfabrication.com/F-bodyChassis.htm#kmember (halfway down the page). Also if I remember right their is a member here with a red 4th gen Firebird running 7s with a big block combo. I don't know anything about his set up though.

 

Ya, I talked to BMR I knew they made the K member but just think of the rest of work that would have to go in to the car to make it work. Those blocks have a tall deck height, not to mension the carb then a filter on top of that! It wouldn't be very fun. Has anyone heard of anyone trying this combo?

 

Ya, it would still be a ton of work plus you would need one of those Mike Morgan 5" hoods (would suck on the street). I'll do some searching around and try and find some pics.

 

hmmm i think it can be done. a few others have done it also.. but here is mine

 

Here's a link to a few more pics that I found. http://www.teamprickracing.com/bigblock/

 

good luck, would be a kick-*** combo but if you plan on swapping stuff out of the 572 right away, just buy the parts you want to use and assemble instead of buying a crate motor and then DIS-assembling it!

Just my $.02, happy cutting/welding

Derek

 

I have the Mike Morran five inch cowl from VFN. It's not that bad on the street. Mind you I am 6'5" so I can see over it no problem. But anyways, Outlaw is that a 572 or a 540? I now see how much work it is. I see custom tubular chassis, Motor plate, you will be needing custom headers, some massive reconstruction around the windsheild, shock towers, inside dash area & fire wall. Don't get me wrong, Outlaw your set up is the ****. It looks wicked fast just sitting there. This is exactly what I was thinking of doing, but I live in Western Canada & if I was to go to this type of set up I'd have to bring the car down to the States to have a custom front end chassis welded up. Sure there are people who can weld around here, hell 3 or 4 of my friends are Journeyman welders but I'm not sure what's all involved in making sure your engine is alligned straight with the car. You wouldn't want your motor mounts to be to far out, it would be a nightmare trying to fit this bad boy in. It looks like you're going to have to cut the hood & put a "mailbox" pro stock style hood scoop on there. I love that look too. But how are you going to "massage" your cowl/windsheild/hood area. That is a huge project in itself. By the way, sweet job on trimming the steel cowl area. It looks awesome. It also looks like you started it up & reved it up a bit. It looks like the engine torqued a bit & the carb cracked the windsheild. Please post pics of this car through out the build up & when it is all done. Cause man that is a tonne of work & it is nice to see people trying new & very different set ups. I envy you, but this is way out of my budget & work skills.

 

Outlaw, How are you routing/mounting your steering shaft? What is something like this costing you. It's gotta cost at least an arm & a leg. Give me some insight as to some of the problems you are running into. Sorry to be pushy, I am just very interested in this project as it may be the next set up I go to after the NO2 motor grenades. It would be fun to put a set back blower on this car & combo & destroy some of the alcohol funny cars running out here.

 

that crate motor is really overpriced and under performing when compared to established BBC(donovan or world products) builders. i wouldnt trust that block and head combination to make 2K+ hp you are talking. totally different world there.

 

I'm talking about taking a 572 & gutting it & totally re-working it. You could probably go to something like a 630 - 660 ci. Mind you you are right, why wouldn't you just by a rhere & morrison, or a donovan mountain motor 600+ ci built for NO2 or Blower? The whole point of this tread is to find out who is trying to stuff the most ci under the hood of one of these things for a reasonable price? I just spent $12 US for a SBC built for NO2 that should put about 800-900ish HP to the ground on the bottle. I was comparing the dollars a while back & found a company who is selling the 572 for the same amount ($12 US). Comparing the $ to HP the 572 came out on top, except for all the other work that would need to be done to the front end of the car. That was what made me go with the big stroker LS1. Less work, & a whole lot less $$$!

 

The motor in the picture was a 572ci BBC. You don’t really need anything more then a front K member and a set of headers to put the BBC in along with some other modifications, but nothing crazy compared to doing it in the first place. I have a AJE front K-member with all his components. That picture was taken some 7-8 months ago, but I have not taken any new ones as the car has progressed. You do have to make room for the carb or the throttle body to clear the cowl, I cut mine back the way I did for a clean look. The strut towers and firewall require no cutting or work. There is no reason to dump the stock camaro front end for a tubular one unless that’s really what you would want to do. The stock camaro front end is pretty nice and the aftermarket sells a lot of bolt on things for it. The BMR deal seems nice because it has motor mounts on it that would center the motor. I just don’t recommend a motor mount setup if you plan on going over 900hp cause what tends to happen is the twist from the motor will tear/break the block where the motor mounts up. I have changed up motor deals but with the 572 in it, I could easily clear the carburetor with a 3 inch cowl or VFN’s SS 4 inch hood. Your big Moran hood would clear the motor no problem. The window was broken when we removed it. So the breakage on it has nothing to do with the motor/carb clearance it was done long before the motor was installed.

Thanks for the props on the car, it’s been a lot of fun and a lot of money, like I said a few others have done what I have done with the BB install on the 4th gen, each one has its neat items to it. They are fun cars that is for sure! As for more pictures, well I will post them as I get time, right now I have posted a few from a ways back, do a search and you will find them!

Here is a bad shot of the steering and the engine compartment painted.


Thanks!

 

OK GUYS, HERE'S MY CHANCE......................

i have a few threads in here trying to get votes together for a new forum based soley on BIG BLOCKS AND SMALL BLOCKS IN 4th GEN F-BODIES!!!!!
PLEASE..............all you guys who responded in interest to this thread, go to the racers lounge and find my post on this subject, and SPEAK UP! this would make a major a$$ section.

i was looking into doing a Fast Times Motorsports built 588" tall deck, 950 hp, 900 lb ft PUMP GAS motor built for a big shot of spray when at the track!!! however i got a great deal on the 427" sbc i mention in my sig. that i will turbo and go for as much as 1500 hp.

thanks, and again, post up please,
Dave